BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Go on, explain. If you can.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Ha! The playbook never changes.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Predictable reply. I guess you can't explain then.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Thought you said it wasn't an economic issue! I'd noted the GDP trends some time ago.
I guess Brexit isn't an economic issue for you at the moment, but if the Remainers' worst fears come to pass, it may well become one as you face up to an early retirement based on a valueless pension, eating cold economy beans out of a can!
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Big day for the DUP today
Donaldson meeting with the party Executive to try to get sign off on a deal to go back to Stormont
The deal
Windsor Framework as negotiated - maybe with some easements tbc
3.3 billion funding package and a rework of how NI is funded. This will be interpreted as a bung but the reality is that everyone agrees the Barnett consequentials system is broken
The UK essentially agreeing to not diverge if divergence impacts NI
An interesting pet project which has got some older DUP (Lord Hay) over the line...the UK now agree that anyone born after 1948 in ROI but resident in NI will automatically be eligible for British citizenship
Theres some movement on the idea of rewriting the Acts Of Union - which seems arcane but may have real impacts
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I really appreciate your precis of NI politics but could you explain why the GB Govt would give two hoots whether Stormont was sitting.
I really struggle to see the leverage
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Because if Stormont doesn't return then theyre a stuck with a decision on how to govern this part of the UK that they really don't want to have to make.
Though the leverage is limited as can be seen from the fact that the Windsor framework is unchanged.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I said that leaving wasn't an economic based decision as I saw it, but despite that we seem to have done relatively well lately.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Sort of fits here.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
OK. I see what you're saying now. My guess is that some folk voted to leave on spurious / unicorn-like economic grounds, which could just as easily be described as emotion-driven votes.
The UK has been doing relatively well lately, but rational economic arguments against leaving were of the "slow puncture rather than car crash" variety, so there's a lot of story still to be written. It could turn out that the EU is actually so dysfunctional re decision-making in crisis situations that the least bad thing is to not be part of it.
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Not sure the track record of decision making points to dysfunctional.
I appreciate consensus building and political deal making is not modus operandi in the UK and so any lack of unilateral action is considered poor but I don’t think it necessarily is.
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Not sure which is worse. Taking an age to come to consensus, or flip flopping according to opinion polls.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I mean, what do people want, to maintain a level of national sovereignty and build consensus between 27 member states or do they want strong unilateral decision making? Because you cannot have both.
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is their much downside to nobody governing?
I once read an article that highlighted two countries that had not formed a Govt for over a year and seemed to be no worse off for it
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You can chose your words as carefully as you want but there has been a significant economic downsize to Brexit.
UK GDP in Q3 2023 was 1.4% above its pre-pandemic level of Q4 2019. This compares with Eurozone GDP being 3.0% higher, with GDP in Germany up by 0.3%. The other G7 economies had higher growth than the UK over this period, including the US where GDP was 7.4% higher.
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Specifically in what way? ie what does Stormont do
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and has there been noticeable extra problems in the last 2 years?
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People around the world, for many years, have always chosen to have greater influence over the laws they live by.
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No need for a consensus of 27 countries to do something.
For example, I genuinely find it fascinating that Labour's great new policy (VAT on private schools) wouldn't be possible without Brexit.
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There are obvious advantages to doing stuff over a market of 280mill than individual differences between small countries who broadly are aligned in their objectives.
Think how effective it would be to have s unified tax system on tax avoidance for example.
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That's your view. Others hold different views which was my point.
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Sure but according to your logic, why keep it unified within the border? Why not make it bespoke to each town and village?
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Some people do like more control at that level. See city mayors as an example.
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The "Q4 2019 to now" comparison combines the impacts of Brexit, Covid and Ukraine-related gas price changes though. It's an interesting stat, but why not consider the period from the start of 2022? This is the period in which (post-Omicron scare in late 2021) Covid has been just another respiratory illness in terms of population-level impacts, and so only combines Brexit and gas prices.
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