BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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the british system gives no say to the individual about the laws they live by
how long is it since a government was elected by numeric majority of citizens (not just those who could be bothered, or were allowed, to vote), i'd guess never, imo that reflects the feeling of many that their vote doesn't count
that's not an unfounded feeling, at the last election, a majority of those who did vote chose to not have the tories, yet they ended up with a massive majority in the commons
the british system is profoundly undemocraticl
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It's not an "either / or" though. Bi-lateral and multi-lateral treaties amongst European countries on issues of shared interest has much to recommend it. e.g. UK/Ireland CTA, UK/France military cooperation, Shengen and - cough cough - the Euro
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Are you arguing the EU system gave British voters a greater say?
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Is now a good time to mention the Texan secessionists?
Turns out some of them still want to keep their Federal payouts while not being told what to do by Washington. Plus ca change.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Yes. Lots of people dying on waiting lists
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Economy, Health, Education and Infrastructure are all devolved.
Much like the corrosive impact of austerity, things don't collapse but deteriorate over time.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Gave Brits some major representation in the biggest economic and political bloc in the world yeah.
Brits still practically have to go along with a load of EU decisions. Might as well have a say.
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yes, the mep vote is based on pr, i.e. the brexiters much vaunted 'voice of the people' and the uk was a major member with significant influence within the eu
that's all gone, british voters lost their say
as reality has exposed the brexiters' lies, the uk finds itself having to accept eu rules as the price of doing business, but without any say in the matter
it is an undeniable fact that the views of the majority are ignored under the british fptp system, it's biased and corrupt, it pollutes the entire system
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lots of data points in there
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/
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There is a part of me that thinks things would be better for no decisions being taken in Wstminster for 2 years
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IIRC, summer of 2022 went fairly well while they were all on holiday. Right up until Truss decided to take control. 😉
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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I don't really get the issue that people have with self-determination. All over the world big countries get uppity with regions wanting to leave. Is there meaningful support for Texas becoming independent?
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And to complete the circle, people value this less. It's also exactly the sort of thing a dictator would say.
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The BBC apparently allowing the B word to be uttered in negative terms...
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I think this is just wishful thinking.
It was more an example of there always being, even in a fairly loose federation like the US, some idiots convinced that if they could only exclusively control their little patch of dirt everything would be better, while discounting the huge benefits of pooled resources - I mean why have we been building cities for the last 6000 years FFS? - or even more stupidly assuming that they'll somehow get to keep all the benefits without the integration.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Should Canada join the US? Are Canadians "idiots" for not wanting this?
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Over in the corporate world, on average, mergers destroy value whilst spin-offs increase value (with volatility).
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Not heard of USMCA then?
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Getting a lot of credit for the restoration of Stormont is former SoSNI Julian Smith.
It's a rare, especially for a English Tory, to be as well thought of by as wide a spectrum of people in NI* as he is and to show the genuine interest in NI as he has
Apparently he was key in the negotiations between the DUP and Downing St
* to be honest it's rare for a SoSNI to be well thought of by anyone.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Lads, Brexit's as done as it's going to be.
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Thanks. I wasn't actually after additional data. I'm up to speed with recent developments in most of the major economies. I was just highlighting that the "Q4 2019 to now" comparison is very unreliable for assessing the impact of Brexit due to the Covid impact and Ukraine gas price impact being felt in the same time period.
Though as you posted the link, the most recent quarters show all of the EU and the UK looking pretty sad vs the USA, which is much more important in terms of "learning lessons" than the odd half % variation between various European countries.
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Explain the relevance. Regulatory, tax and even currency balkanisation increases trade friction and make business harder, thus reducing growth, and the associated additional opportunity cost.
The reality is the EU single market and customs Union is an economic and technocratic success.
Brexit is plain evidence people collectively do not understand the counterfactual as the gains are too intangible. They are not easy to articulate to an electorate beyond “you’d be poorer and Wes have less tax to spend”
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They already are both part of a trade block. There are plenty of Canadian separatist idiots though.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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I don't seem to remember Leave saying "Of course there will be all this extra friction and costs when we leave the EU, and businesses will have to adapt.."
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Easy to forget Norway and Switzerland are rich enough they have less trouble paying for said friction
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Lots of countries have trade agreements, I don't think it is a sign that the maple leaf waving Canadians have any interest in becoming the 51st state.
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In the corporate world, many managers say the same thing when looking for acquisitions and mergers. They look at the synergies and the reduced friction from internal trade. However, evidence shows that, on average, these our outweighed by other things.
The point being that the argument "bigger is better" has its limits. Singapore is better off having not joined Malaysia. Taiwan is better off out of China. Canada is probably better off not being in the US. Etc.
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There's a grieving process, and some people haven't yet reached acceptance.
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