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True. I missed that bit which does change things a bit. In general though I find the argument " Americans are so stupid " to be, well, stupidkingstongraham said:
I think the key bit there is "of Scottish heritage"TheBigBean said:
Most Europeans wouldn't be able to find a US state of similar population on a map either.First.Aspect said:
I think there was a poll of US public claiming Scottish heritage a few years ago that found about 20% could actually find Scotland on a map. I've never understood why Americans (a term other Americans across the rest of those two continents find offensive by the way) wear ignorance as a badge of honour.swjohnsey said:
Not really. See, I bought this old Brompton and I am in the process of stripping it down to fit in the back of my airplane. It is an early 2000s H5R and I plan to get rid of the rack and fenders, put S bars on it and update it some with a cheap China hollow crank. I've been a bike guy off and on for over 50 years, started out on a Raleigh Competition in the '70 then got interested in mountain bikes and bought one of the first, a Ritchey Commando, came as a box of parts, nothing built but the wheels . . .rick_chasey said:
You’ve arrived on a cycling forum by mistakeswjohnsey said:
Did I get in the Giuliani thread by mistake?kingstongraham said:
No, it's Giuliani. Have you not been paying attention?swjohnsey said:
Is that Trump?kingstongraham said:swjohnsey said:
Except that he didn't say that. What China did was to brutally shut down their own country without shutting down international travel.kingstongraham said:More embarrassing should be that he says the virus was manufactured in China and released.
I always wondered about the foreign interest in Trump. Most Americans couldn't tell you who the British PM is.1 -
I'm mostly surprised that there are only 10 states with a population of more than London. 😱🤔TheBigBean said:
Most Europeans wouldn't be able to find a US state of similar population on a map either.First.Aspect said:
I think there was a poll of US public claiming Scottish heritage a few years ago that found about 20% could actually find Scotland on a map. I've never understood why Americans (a term other Americans across the rest of those two continents find offensive by the way) wear ignorance as a badge of honour.swjohnsey said:
Not really. See, I bought this old Brompton and I am in the process of stripping it down to fit in the back of my airplane. It is an early 2000s H5R and I plan to get rid of the rack and fenders, put S bars on it and update it some with a cheap China hollow crank. I've been a bike guy off and on for over 50 years, started out on a Raleigh Competition in the '70 then got interested in mountain bikes and bought one of the first, a Ritchey Commando, came as a box of parts, nothing built but the wheels . . .rick_chasey said:
You’ve arrived on a cycling forum by mistakeswjohnsey said:
Did I get in the Giuliani thread by mistake?kingstongraham said:
No, it's Giuliani. Have you not been paying attention?swjohnsey said:
Is that Trump?kingstongraham said:swjohnsey said:
Except that he didn't say that. What China did was to brutally shut down their own country without shutting down international travel.kingstongraham said:More embarrassing should be that he says the virus was manufactured in China and released.
I always wondered about the foreign interest in Trump. Most Americans couldn't tell you who the British PM is.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Been off this thread for a few days (doesn't seem like I missed much) and what has struck me that over 3 pages, there's NO mention whatsoever about the 2nd presidential debate and the mute button...seanoconn - gruagach craic!0
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I simply decided to use the off button. 😉pinno said:Been off this thread for a few days (doesn't seem like I missed much) and what has struck me that over 3 pages, there's NO mention whatsoever about the 2nd presidential debate and the mute button...
First one taught me that there was no point.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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Woah. Has BR switched off the Cbeebies level swear filter? 🥳shortfall said:
There most be some massive cunts in there then but I'll take your word for it.Ben6899 said:shortfall said:
Oh I don't know. Get yourself over to Twitter and see how the SNP and Momentum fanboys roll if you want to see real bile and venom.Ben6899 said:briantrumpet said:Ben6899 said:swjohnsey said:
Did I get in the Giuliani thread by mistake?kingstongraham said:
No, it's Giuliani. Have you not been paying attention?swjohnsey said:
Is that Trump?kingstongraham said:swjohnsey said:
Except that he didn't say that. What China did was to brutally shut down their own country without shutting down international travel.kingstongraham said:More embarrassing should be that he says the virus was manufactured in China and released.
Is there a sockpuppet in here?
It's a sure way to get a response in here: favour Trump, Brexit, Covid-scepticism, etc., though the Cake Stop characters are soft in comparison with the below-the-line commenters in the Telegraph: the responses to this article about Marcus Rashford in the Telegraph demonstrates what happens when people try to outdo each other in their vitriol in demeaning an act of thought for others less fortunate. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/respect-marcus-rashford-grows-deeper-day/
Telegraph BTL contributors are the absolute worst people.
Yeh the Telegraph contributors are worse.
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It doesn't catch plurals.orraloon said:
Woah. Has BR switched off the Cbeebies level swear filter? 🥳shortfall said:
There most be some massive cunts in there then but I'll take your word for it.Ben6899 said:shortfall said:
Oh I don't know. Get yourself over to Twitter and see how the SNP and Momentum fanboys roll if you want to see real bile and venom.Ben6899 said:briantrumpet said:Ben6899 said:swjohnsey said:
Did I get in the Giuliani thread by mistake?kingstongraham said:
No, it's Giuliani. Have you not been paying attention?swjohnsey said:
Is that Trump?kingstongraham said:swjohnsey said:
Except that he didn't say that. What China did was to brutally shut down their own country without shutting down international travel.kingstongraham said:More embarrassing should be that he says the virus was manufactured in China and released.
Is there a sockpuppet in here?
It's a sure way to get a response in here: favour Trump, Brexit, Covid-scepticism, etc., though the Cake Stop characters are soft in comparison with the below-the-line commenters in the Telegraph: the responses to this article about Marcus Rashford in the Telegraph demonstrates what happens when people try to outdo each other in their vitriol in demeaning an act of thought for others less fortunate. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/respect-marcus-rashford-grows-deeper-day/
Telegraph BTL contributors are the absolute worst people.
Yeh the Telegraph contributors are worse.Ben
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Usual lies, but a more muted performance. The button probably helped Trump.pinno said:Been off this thread for a few days (doesn't seem like I missed much) and what has struck me that over 3 pages, there's NO mention whatsoever about the 2nd presidential debate and the mute button...
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Turns out I have English heritage, at least the name, anyway. Found relatives around Portsmouth. Family lore was that we were Welsh. I actually got to spend some time in the U.K. Mendenhall, Grimsby. I managed to earn British jump wing, even got a jump from one or your hydrogen balloons. Pretty sure I've been someplace in the U.K. you haven't, to the top of the Westminster clock tower to stand beside Big Ben as it struck noon.
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Of course not to be taken seriously, but the first film made $262m at the box office. That puts it in the "major" film category easilypblakeney said:
The concept of Borat being a major film, and one to be taken seriously at that, is quite simply hilarious!elbowloh said:
Ok, but he does take the piss out of Kazakhstan, a predominantly muslim country and converts his village of muslims to christianity or apostasy. So definitely not afraid to take the piss out of islam...in a fairly major film.nickice said:
He's not. "He follows the Hawk"elbowloh said:
I'm pretty sure the character of Borat is Muslim.shortfall said:
Sure, but the point I'm making is that it's open season on Christianity but not so much with Islam. When did you last hear a joke about Islam on the Tele?veronese68 said:
Moderate Muslims or extremists, there is a difference. I have no problem with Muslims, I do have a problem with extremists.shortfall said:
Not that it offends me particularly if you want to have a go at Christians, but I wonder what the reaction would've been in here if you'd made similar comments in reference to a Muslim family?First.Aspect said:
Yes. Mr and Mrs Nicebutcunt and their several lovely children.veronese68 said:
Evangelical christians seem to be about as unchristian as possible in their attitudes to most things.elbowloh said:I think it's also worth mentioning that it's the Republicans who are banking on / courting the evangelical / christian right of the US and their supposed family / moral values.
Then again, the evangelicals seem to be able to hold their nose and vote for Trump in spite of his misdemeanors so long as he gets rid of Obama-care, hammers migrants and gets right wingers on the SC.
It's also very much "culturally" on the map - everyone knows what a mankini is now!0 -
I think if I claimed my family originated from Montana, I would probably have an inkling of where that was.TheBigBean said:
Most Europeans wouldn't be able to find a US state of similar population on a map either.First.Aspect said:
I think there was a poll of US public claiming Scottish heritage a few years ago that found about 20% could actually find Scotland on a map. I've never understood why Americans (a term other Americans across the rest of those two continents find offensive by the way) wear ignorance as a badge of honour.swjohnsey said:
Not really. See, I bought this old Brompton and I am in the process of stripping it down to fit in the back of my airplane. It is an early 2000s H5R and I plan to get rid of the rack and fenders, put S bars on it and update it some with a cheap China hollow crank. I've been a bike guy off and on for over 50 years, started out on a Raleigh Competition in the '70 then got interested in mountain bikes and bought one of the first, a Ritchey Commando, came as a box of parts, nothing built but the wheels . . .rick_chasey said:
You’ve arrived on a cycling forum by mistakeswjohnsey said:
Did I get in the Giuliani thread by mistake?kingstongraham said:
No, it's Giuliani. Have you not been paying attention?swjohnsey said:
Is that Trump?kingstongraham said:swjohnsey said:
Except that he didn't say that. What China did was to brutally shut down their own country without shutting down international travel.kingstongraham said:More embarrassing should be that he says the virus was manufactured in China and released.
I always wondered about the foreign interest in Trump. Most Americans couldn't tell you who the British PM is.0 -
Yes, bib shorts for very hot weather...elbowloh said:
Of course not to be taken seriously, but the first film made $262m at the box office. That puts it in the "major" film category easilypblakeney said:
The concept of Borat being a major film, and one to be taken seriously at that, is quite simply hilarious!elbowloh said:
Ok, but he does take the piss out of Kazakhstan, a predominantly muslim country and converts his village of muslims to christianity or apostasy. So definitely not afraid to take the piss out of islam...in a fairly major film.nickice said:
He's not. "He follows the Hawk"elbowloh said:
I'm pretty sure the character of Borat is Muslim.shortfall said:
Sure, but the point I'm making is that it's open season on Christianity but not so much with Islam. When did you last hear a joke about Islam on the Tele?veronese68 said:
Moderate Muslims or extremists, there is a difference. I have no problem with Muslims, I do have a problem with extremists.shortfall said:
Not that it offends me particularly if you want to have a go at Christians, but I wonder what the reaction would've been in here if you'd made similar comments in reference to a Muslim family?First.Aspect said:
Yes. Mr and Mrs Nicebutcunt and their several lovely children.veronese68 said:
Evangelical christians seem to be about as unchristian as possible in their attitudes to most things.elbowloh said:I think it's also worth mentioning that it's the Republicans who are banking on / courting the evangelical / christian right of the US and their supposed family / moral values.
Then again, the evangelicals seem to be able to hold their nose and vote for Trump in spite of his misdemeanors so long as he gets rid of Obama-care, hammers migrants and gets right wingers on the SC.
It's also very much "culturally" on the map - everyone knows what a mankini is now!0 -
Stupid isn't the same as ignorant.TheBigBean said:
True. I missed that bit which does change things a bit. In general though I find the argument " Americans are so stupid " to be, well, stupidkingstongraham said:
I think the key bit there is "of Scottish heritage"TheBigBean said:
Most Europeans wouldn't be able to find a US state of similar population on a map either.First.Aspect said:
I think there was a poll of US public claiming Scottish heritage a few years ago that found about 20% could actually find Scotland on a map. I've never understood why Americans (a term other Americans across the rest of those two continents find offensive by the way) wear ignorance as a badge of honour.swjohnsey said:
Not really. See, I bought this old Brompton and I am in the process of stripping it down to fit in the back of my airplane. It is an early 2000s H5R and I plan to get rid of the rack and fenders, put S bars on it and update it some with a cheap China hollow crank. I've been a bike guy off and on for over 50 years, started out on a Raleigh Competition in the '70 then got interested in mountain bikes and bought one of the first, a Ritchey Commando, came as a box of parts, nothing built but the wheels . . .rick_chasey said:
You’ve arrived on a cycling forum by mistakeswjohnsey said:
Did I get in the Giuliani thread by mistake?kingstongraham said:
No, it's Giuliani. Have you not been paying attention?swjohnsey said:
Is that Trump?kingstongraham said:swjohnsey said:
Except that he didn't say that. What China did was to brutally shut down their own country without shutting down international travel.kingstongraham said:More embarrassing should be that he says the virus was manufactured in China and released.
I always wondered about the foreign interest in Trump. Most Americans couldn't tell you who the British PM is.
I've spent a lot of time in the US over the years and it is a complex, fascinating and often disturbing society. But one thing it is not is a society that looks outwardly.
So the comment about not knowing (or caring?) who the prime minister of the UK is misses the point that not only does the UK media fixate on US politics but also on other politics that matters to it.
So the attitude seems to be that nowhere else matters to Americans. Not sure that is a good thing in the long run, even for Americans.0 -
Americans are no thicker than Brits they just know different stuff.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
Most Europeans wouldn't be able to find a US state of similar population on a map either.First.Aspect said:
I think there was a poll of US public claiming Scottish heritage a few years ago that found about 20% could actually find Scotland on a map. I've never understood why Americans (a term other Americans across the rest of those two continents find offensive by the way) wear ignorance as a badge of honour.swjohnsey said:
Not really. See, I bought this old Brompton and I am in the process of stripping it down to fit in the back of my airplane. It is an early 2000s H5R and I plan to get rid of the rack and fenders, put S bars on it and update it some with a cheap China hollow crank. I've been a bike guy off and on for over 50 years, started out on a Raleigh Competition in the '70 then got interested in mountain bikes and bought one of the first, a Ritchey Commando, came as a box of parts, nothing built but the wheels . . .rick_chasey said:
You’ve arrived on a cycling forum by mistakeswjohnsey said:
Did I get in the Giuliani thread by mistake?kingstongraham said:
No, it's Giuliani. Have you not been paying attention?swjohnsey said:
Is that Trump?kingstongraham said:swjohnsey said:
Except that he didn't say that. What China did was to brutally shut down their own country without shutting down international travel.kingstongraham said:More embarrassing should be that he says the virus was manufactured in China and released.
I always wondered about the foreign interest in Trump. Most Americans couldn't tell you who the British PM is.
To be slightly fair to us, that's more like asking someone to find a region in Scotland: most US states are weird shapes arbitrarily carved out of a fairly distinctively-shaped landmass. Scotland is fairly distinctively shaped landmass, with a big clue that it's the other side of the Atlantic from the US, and is surrounded on most of its boarder by wet blue stuff.
How many Brits could find Belgium on a map or name their premier?1 -
My old boss used the line "Who can name five famous Belgians?" . Silly thing to ask a cycling fan. I then made the point that most people wouldn't be able to name five famous British artists. He was outraged by that suggestion although he is the sort of person who probably has a genuine Constable in his living room.surrey_commuter said:
Americans are no thicker than Brits they just know different stuff.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
Most Europeans wouldn't be able to find a US state of similar population on a map either.First.Aspect said:
I think there was a poll of US public claiming Scottish heritage a few years ago that found about 20% could actually find Scotland on a map. I've never understood why Americans (a term other Americans across the rest of those two continents find offensive by the way) wear ignorance as a badge of honour.swjohnsey said:
Not really. See, I bought this old Brompton and I am in the process of stripping it down to fit in the back of my airplane. It is an early 2000s H5R and I plan to get rid of the rack and fenders, put S bars on it and update it some with a cheap China hollow crank. I've been a bike guy off and on for over 50 years, started out on a Raleigh Competition in the '70 then got interested in mountain bikes and bought one of the first, a Ritchey Commando, came as a box of parts, nothing built but the wheels . . .rick_chasey said:
You’ve arrived on a cycling forum by mistakeswjohnsey said:
Did I get in the Giuliani thread by mistake?kingstongraham said:
No, it's Giuliani. Have you not been paying attention?swjohnsey said:
Is that Trump?kingstongraham said:swjohnsey said:
Except that he didn't say that. What China did was to brutally shut down their own country without shutting down international travel.kingstongraham said:More embarrassing should be that he says the virus was manufactured in China and released.
I always wondered about the foreign interest in Trump. Most Americans couldn't tell you who the British PM is.
To be slightly fair to us, that's more like asking someone to find a region in Scotland: most US states are weird shapes arbitrarily carved out of a fairly distinctively-shaped landmass. Scotland is fairly distinctively shaped landmass, with a big clue that it's the other side of the Atlantic from the US, and is surrounded on most of its boarder by wet blue stuff.
How many Brits could find Belgium on a map or name their premier?0 -
Happy to make the same statement about ignorance - the idea that Americans are ignorant is an ignorant opinion.First.Aspect said:
Stupid isn't the same as ignorant.TheBigBean said:
True. I missed that bit which does change things a bit. In general though I find the argument " Americans are so stupid " to be, well, stupidkingstongraham said:
I think the key bit there is "of Scottish heritage"TheBigBean said:
Most Europeans wouldn't be able to find a US state of similar population on a map either.First.Aspect said:
I think there was a poll of US public claiming Scottish heritage a few years ago that found about 20% could actually find Scotland on a map. I've never understood why Americans (a term other Americans across the rest of those two continents find offensive by the way) wear ignorance as a badge of honour.swjohnsey said:
Not really. See, I bought this old Brompton and I am in the process of stripping it down to fit in the back of my airplane. It is an early 2000s H5R and I plan to get rid of the rack and fenders, put S bars on it and update it some with a cheap China hollow crank. I've been a bike guy off and on for over 50 years, started out on a Raleigh Competition in the '70 then got interested in mountain bikes and bought one of the first, a Ritchey Commando, came as a box of parts, nothing built but the wheels . . .rick_chasey said:
You’ve arrived on a cycling forum by mistakeswjohnsey said:
Did I get in the Giuliani thread by mistake?kingstongraham said:
No, it's Giuliani. Have you not been paying attention?swjohnsey said:
Is that Trump?kingstongraham said:swjohnsey said:
Except that he didn't say that. What China did was to brutally shut down their own country without shutting down international travel.kingstongraham said:More embarrassing should be that he says the virus was manufactured in China and released.
I always wondered about the foreign interest in Trump. Most Americans couldn't tell you who the British PM is.
I've spent a lot of time in the US over the years and it is a complex, fascinating and often disturbing society. But one thing it is not is a society that looks outwardly.
So the comment about not knowing (or caring?) who the prime minister of the UK is misses the point that not only does the UK media fixate on US politics but also on other politics that matters to it.
So the attitude seems to be that nowhere else matters to Americans. Not sure that is a good thing in the long run, even for Americans.
Yes, the UK media has a bizare obsession with the US, but that simply means it is ignoring other subjects.
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Simply put - US politics affect the UK.
UK politics do not affect the US.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
Not exclusive to the UK.TheBigBean said:
Happy to make the same statement about ignorance - the idea that Americans are ignorant is an ignorant opinion.First.Aspect said:
Stupid isn't the same as ignorant.TheBigBean said:
True. I missed that bit which does change things a bit. In general though I find the argument " Americans are so stupid " to be, well, stupidkingstongraham said:
I think the key bit there is "of Scottish heritage"TheBigBean said:
Most Europeans wouldn't be able to find a US state of similar population on a map either.First.Aspect said:
I think there was a poll of US public claiming Scottish heritage a few years ago that found about 20% could actually find Scotland on a map. I've never understood why Americans (a term other Americans across the rest of those two continents find offensive by the way) wear ignorance as a badge of honour.swjohnsey said:
Not really. See, I bought this old Brompton and I am in the process of stripping it down to fit in the back of my airplane. It is an early 2000s H5R and I plan to get rid of the rack and fenders, put S bars on it and update it some with a cheap China hollow crank. I've been a bike guy off and on for over 50 years, started out on a Raleigh Competition in the '70 then got interested in mountain bikes and bought one of the first, a Ritchey Commando, came as a box of parts, nothing built but the wheels . . .rick_chasey said:
You’ve arrived on a cycling forum by mistakeswjohnsey said:
Did I get in the Giuliani thread by mistake?kingstongraham said:
No, it's Giuliani. Have you not been paying attention?swjohnsey said:
Is that Trump?kingstongraham said:swjohnsey said:
Except that he didn't say that. What China did was to brutally shut down their own country without shutting down international travel.kingstongraham said:More embarrassing should be that he says the virus was manufactured in China and released.
I always wondered about the foreign interest in Trump. Most Americans couldn't tell you who the British PM is.
I've spent a lot of time in the US over the years and it is a complex, fascinating and often disturbing society. But one thing it is not is a society that looks outwardly.
So the comment about not knowing (or caring?) who the prime minister of the UK is misses the point that not only does the UK media fixate on US politics but also on other politics that matters to it.
So the attitude seems to be that nowhere else matters to Americans. Not sure that is a good thing in the long run, even for Americans.
Yes, the UK media has a bizare obsession with the US, but that simply means it is ignoring other subjects.0 -
Culturally introspective, then. You know what I am driving at. The US is a nation that flies its own flag in its own country and sings its own national anthem to itself at sporting events that only it plays, and pats itself on the back rather a lot.TheBigBean said:
Happy to make the same statement about ignorance - the idea that Americans are ignorant is an ignorant opinion.First.Aspect said:
Stupid isn't the same as ignorant.TheBigBean said:
True. I missed that bit which does change things a bit. In general though I find the argument " Americans are so stupid " to be, well, stupidkingstongraham said:
I think the key bit there is "of Scottish heritage"TheBigBean said:
Most Europeans wouldn't be able to find a US state of similar population on a map either.First.Aspect said:
I think there was a poll of US public claiming Scottish heritage a few years ago that found about 20% could actually find Scotland on a map. I've never understood why Americans (a term other Americans across the rest of those two continents find offensive by the way) wear ignorance as a badge of honour.swjohnsey said:
Not really. See, I bought this old Brompton and I am in the process of stripping it down to fit in the back of my airplane. It is an early 2000s H5R and I plan to get rid of the rack and fenders, put S bars on it and update it some with a cheap China hollow crank. I've been a bike guy off and on for over 50 years, started out on a Raleigh Competition in the '70 then got interested in mountain bikes and bought one of the first, a Ritchey Commando, came as a box of parts, nothing built but the wheels . . .rick_chasey said:
You’ve arrived on a cycling forum by mistakeswjohnsey said:
Did I get in the Giuliani thread by mistake?kingstongraham said:
No, it's Giuliani. Have you not been paying attention?swjohnsey said:
Is that Trump?kingstongraham said:swjohnsey said:
Except that he didn't say that. What China did was to brutally shut down their own country without shutting down international travel.kingstongraham said:More embarrassing should be that he says the virus was manufactured in China and released.
I always wondered about the foreign interest in Trump. Most Americans couldn't tell you who the British PM is.
I've spent a lot of time in the US over the years and it is a complex, fascinating and often disturbing society. But one thing it is not is a society that looks outwardly.
So the comment about not knowing (or caring?) who the prime minister of the UK is misses the point that not only does the UK media fixate on US politics but also on other politics that matters to it.
So the attitude seems to be that nowhere else matters to Americans. Not sure that is a good thing in the long run, even for Americans.
Yes, the UK media has a bizare obsession with the US, but that simply means it is ignoring other subjects.
All nations are rather self interested. It is just a bit more pronounced in the US in my experience.0 -
Meh, my experience in California was that most knew what Brexit was and wanted conversations about it.First.Aspect said:
Stupid isn't the same as ignorant.TheBigBean said:
True. I missed that bit which does change things a bit. In general though I find the argument " Americans are so stupid " to be, well, stupidkingstongraham said:
I think the key bit there is "of Scottish heritage"TheBigBean said:
Most Europeans wouldn't be able to find a US state of similar population on a map either.First.Aspect said:
I think there was a poll of US public claiming Scottish heritage a few years ago that found about 20% could actually find Scotland on a map. I've never understood why Americans (a term other Americans across the rest of those two continents find offensive by the way) wear ignorance as a badge of honour.swjohnsey said:
Not really. See, I bought this old Brompton and I am in the process of stripping it down to fit in the back of my airplane. It is an early 2000s H5R and I plan to get rid of the rack and fenders, put S bars on it and update it some with a cheap China hollow crank. I've been a bike guy off and on for over 50 years, started out on a Raleigh Competition in the '70 then got interested in mountain bikes and bought one of the first, a Ritchey Commando, came as a box of parts, nothing built but the wheels . . .rick_chasey said:
You’ve arrived on a cycling forum by mistakeswjohnsey said:
Did I get in the Giuliani thread by mistake?kingstongraham said:
No, it's Giuliani. Have you not been paying attention?swjohnsey said:
Is that Trump?kingstongraham said:swjohnsey said:
Except that he didn't say that. What China did was to brutally shut down their own country without shutting down international travel.kingstongraham said:More embarrassing should be that he says the virus was manufactured in China and released.
I always wondered about the foreign interest in Trump. Most Americans couldn't tell you who the British PM is.
I've spent a lot of time in the US over the years and it is a complex, fascinating and often disturbing society. But one thing it is not is a society that looks outwardly.
So the comment about not knowing (or caring?) who the prime minister of the UK is misses the point that not only does the UK media fixate on US politics but also on other politics that matters to it.
So the attitude seems to be that nowhere else matters to Americans. Not sure that is a good thing in the long run, even for Americans.0 -
See there's always something people can agree on. There's hope for the world yet!First.Aspect said:
I think there was a poll of US public claiming Scottish heritage a few years ago that found about 20% could actually find Scotland on a map. I've never understood why Americans (a term other Americans across the rest of those two continents find offensive by the way) wear ignorance as a badge of honour.swjohnsey said:
Not really. See, I bought this old Brompton and I am in the process of stripping it down to fit in the back of my airplane. It is an early 2000s H5R and I plan to get rid of the rack and fenders, put S bars on it and update it some with a cheap China hollow crank. I've been a bike guy off and on for over 50 years, started out on a Raleigh Competition in the '70 then got interested in mountain bikes and bought one of the first, a Ritchey Commando, came as a box of parts, nothing built but the wheels . . .rick_chasey said:
You’ve arrived on a cycling forum by mistakeswjohnsey said:
Did I get in the Giuliani thread by mistake?kingstongraham said:
No, it's Giuliani. Have you not been paying attention?swjohnsey said:
Is that Trump?kingstongraham said:swjohnsey said:
Except that he didn't say that. What China did was to brutally shut down their own country without shutting down international travel.kingstongraham said:More embarrassing should be that he says the virus was manufactured in China and released.
I always wondered about the foreign interest in Trump. Most Americans couldn't tell you who the British PM is.0 -
I've got pretty good at it thanks to Sporcle. I still struggle with the little north eastern States and some of the Mid West though.TheBigBean said:
Most Europeans wouldn't be able to find a US state of similar population on a map either.First.Aspect said:
I think there was a poll of US public claiming Scottish heritage a few years ago that found about 20% could actually find Scotland on a map. I've never understood why Americans (a term other Americans across the rest of those two continents find offensive by the way) wear ignorance as a badge of honour.swjohnsey said:
Not really. See, I bought this old Brompton and I am in the process of stripping it down to fit in the back of my airplane. It is an early 2000s H5R and I plan to get rid of the rack and fenders, put S bars on it and update it some with a cheap China hollow crank. I've been a bike guy off and on for over 50 years, started out on a Raleigh Competition in the '70 then got interested in mountain bikes and bought one of the first, a Ritchey Commando, came as a box of parts, nothing built but the wheels . . .rick_chasey said:
You’ve arrived on a cycling forum by mistakeswjohnsey said:
Did I get in the Giuliani thread by mistake?kingstongraham said:
No, it's Giuliani. Have you not been paying attention?swjohnsey said:
Is that Trump?kingstongraham said:swjohnsey said:
Except that he didn't say that. What China did was to brutally shut down their own country without shutting down international travel.kingstongraham said:More embarrassing should be that he says the virus was manufactured in China and released.
I always wondered about the foreign interest in Trump. Most Americans couldn't tell you who the British PM is.0 -
Do you think the populations of Iceland and Ireland have better knowledge of the UK than the UK's population does of them? If so, why do you think that is?First.Aspect said:
Culturally introspective, then. You know what I am driving at. The US is a nation that flies its own flag in its own country and sings its own national anthem to itself at sporting events that only it plays, and pats itself on the back rather a lot.TheBigBean said:
Happy to make the same statement about ignorance - the idea that Americans are ignorant is an ignorant opinion.First.Aspect said:
Stupid isn't the same as ignorant.TheBigBean said:
True. I missed that bit which does change things a bit. In general though I find the argument " Americans are so stupid " to be, well, stupidkingstongraham said:
I think the key bit there is "of Scottish heritage"TheBigBean said:
Most Europeans wouldn't be able to find a US state of similar population on a map either.First.Aspect said:
I think there was a poll of US public claiming Scottish heritage a few years ago that found about 20% could actually find Scotland on a map. I've never understood why Americans (a term other Americans across the rest of those two continents find offensive by the way) wear ignorance as a badge of honour.swjohnsey said:
Not really. See, I bought this old Brompton and I am in the process of stripping it down to fit in the back of my airplane. It is an early 2000s H5R and I plan to get rid of the rack and fenders, put S bars on it and update it some with a cheap China hollow crank. I've been a bike guy off and on for over 50 years, started out on a Raleigh Competition in the '70 then got interested in mountain bikes and bought one of the first, a Ritchey Commando, came as a box of parts, nothing built but the wheels . . .rick_chasey said:
You’ve arrived on a cycling forum by mistakeswjohnsey said:
Did I get in the Giuliani thread by mistake?kingstongraham said:
No, it's Giuliani. Have you not been paying attention?swjohnsey said:
Is that Trump?kingstongraham said:swjohnsey said:
Except that he didn't say that. What China did was to brutally shut down their own country without shutting down international travel.kingstongraham said:More embarrassing should be that he says the virus was manufactured in China and released.
I always wondered about the foreign interest in Trump. Most Americans couldn't tell you who the British PM is.
I've spent a lot of time in the US over the years and it is a complex, fascinating and often disturbing society. But one thing it is not is a society that looks outwardly.
So the comment about not knowing (or caring?) who the prime minister of the UK is misses the point that not only does the UK media fixate on US politics but also on other politics that matters to it.
So the attitude seems to be that nowhere else matters to Americans. Not sure that is a good thing in the long run, even for Americans.
Yes, the UK media has a bizare obsession with the US, but that simply means it is ignoring other subjects.
All nations are rather self interested. It is just a bit more pronounced in the US in my experience.0 -
Yes. Hard to be objective though. Television series production?TheBigBean said:
Do you think the populations of Iceland and Ireland have better knowledge of the UK than the UK's population does of them? If so, why do you think that is?First.Aspect said:
Culturally introspective, then. You know what I am driving at. The US is a nation that flies its own flag in its own country and sings its own national anthem to itself at sporting events that only it plays, and pats itself on the back rather a lot.TheBigBean said:
Happy to make the same statement about ignorance - the idea that Americans are ignorant is an ignorant opinion.First.Aspect said:
Stupid isn't the same as ignorant.TheBigBean said:
True. I missed that bit which does change things a bit. In general though I find the argument " Americans are so stupid " to be, well, stupidkingstongraham said:
I think the key bit there is "of Scottish heritage"TheBigBean said:
Most Europeans wouldn't be able to find a US state of similar population on a map either.First.Aspect said:
I think there was a poll of US public claiming Scottish heritage a few years ago that found about 20% could actually find Scotland on a map. I've never understood why Americans (a term other Americans across the rest of those two continents find offensive by the way) wear ignorance as a badge of honour.swjohnsey said:
Not really. See, I bought this old Brompton and I am in the process of stripping it down to fit in the back of my airplane. It is an early 2000s H5R and I plan to get rid of the rack and fenders, put S bars on it and update it some with a cheap China hollow crank. I've been a bike guy off and on for over 50 years, started out on a Raleigh Competition in the '70 then got interested in mountain bikes and bought one of the first, a Ritchey Commando, came as a box of parts, nothing built but the wheels . . .rick_chasey said:
You’ve arrived on a cycling forum by mistakeswjohnsey said:
Did I get in the Giuliani thread by mistake?kingstongraham said:
No, it's Giuliani. Have you not been paying attention?swjohnsey said:
Is that Trump?kingstongraham said:swjohnsey said:
Except that he didn't say that. What China did was to brutally shut down their own country without shutting down international travel.kingstongraham said:More embarrassing should be that he says the virus was manufactured in China and released.
I always wondered about the foreign interest in Trump. Most Americans couldn't tell you who the British PM is.
I've spent a lot of time in the US over the years and it is a complex, fascinating and often disturbing society. But one thing it is not is a society that looks outwardly.
So the comment about not knowing (or caring?) who the prime minister of the UK is misses the point that not only does the UK media fixate on US politics but also on other politics that matters to it.
So the attitude seems to be that nowhere else matters to Americans. Not sure that is a good thing in the long run, even for Americans.
Yes, the UK media has a bizare obsession with the US, but that simply means it is ignoring other subjects.
All nations are rather self interested. It is just a bit more pronounced in the US in my experience.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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It's the same with all small / big country relationships all over the world. The politics/TV/whatever of the big country has much greater impact on the smaller country than the other way around.pangolin said:
Yes. Hard to be objective though. Television series production?TheBigBean said:
Do you think the populations of Iceland and Ireland have better knowledge of the UK than the UK's population does of them? If so, why do you think that is?First.Aspect said:
Culturally introspective, then. You know what I am driving at. The US is a nation that flies its own flag in its own country and sings its own national anthem to itself at sporting events that only it plays, and pats itself on the back rather a lot.TheBigBean said:
Happy to make the same statement about ignorance - the idea that Americans are ignorant is an ignorant opinion.First.Aspect said:
Stupid isn't the same as ignorant.TheBigBean said:
True. I missed that bit which does change things a bit. In general though I find the argument " Americans are so stupid " to be, well, stupidkingstongraham said:
I think the key bit there is "of Scottish heritage"TheBigBean said:
Most Europeans wouldn't be able to find a US state of similar population on a map either.First.Aspect said:
I think there was a poll of US public claiming Scottish heritage a few years ago that found about 20% could actually find Scotland on a map. I've never understood why Americans (a term other Americans across the rest of those two continents find offensive by the way) wear ignorance as a badge of honour.swjohnsey said:
Not really. See, I bought this old Brompton and I am in the process of stripping it down to fit in the back of my airplane. It is an early 2000s H5R and I plan to get rid of the rack and fenders, put S bars on it and update it some with a cheap China hollow crank. I've been a bike guy off and on for over 50 years, started out on a Raleigh Competition in the '70 then got interested in mountain bikes and bought one of the first, a Ritchey Commando, came as a box of parts, nothing built but the wheels . . .rick_chasey said:
You’ve arrived on a cycling forum by mistakeswjohnsey said:
Did I get in the Giuliani thread by mistake?kingstongraham said:
No, it's Giuliani. Have you not been paying attention?swjohnsey said:
Is that Trump?kingstongraham said:swjohnsey said:
Except that he didn't say that. What China did was to brutally shut down their own country without shutting down international travel.kingstongraham said:More embarrassing should be that he says the virus was manufactured in China and released.
I always wondered about the foreign interest in Trump. Most Americans couldn't tell you who the British PM is.
I've spent a lot of time in the US over the years and it is a complex, fascinating and often disturbing society. But one thing it is not is a society that looks outwardly.
So the comment about not knowing (or caring?) who the prime minister of the UK is misses the point that not only does the UK media fixate on US politics but also on other politics that matters to it.
So the attitude seems to be that nowhere else matters to Americans. Not sure that is a good thing in the long run, even for Americans.
Yes, the UK media has a bizare obsession with the US, but that simply means it is ignoring other subjects.
All nations are rather self interested. It is just a bit more pronounced in the US in my experience.0 -
I can find both of them on a map.TheBigBean said:
Do you think the populations of Iceland and Ireland have better knowledge of the UK than the UK's population does of them? If so, why do you think that is?First.Aspect said:
Culturally introspective, then. You know what I am driving at. The US is a nation that flies its own flag in its own country and sings its own national anthem to itself at sporting events that only it plays, and pats itself on the back rather a lot.TheBigBean said:
Happy to make the same statement about ignorance - the idea that Americans are ignorant is an ignorant opinion.First.Aspect said:
Stupid isn't the same as ignorant.TheBigBean said:
True. I missed that bit which does change things a bit. In general though I find the argument " Americans are so stupid " to be, well, stupidkingstongraham said:
I think the key bit there is "of Scottish heritage"TheBigBean said:
Most Europeans wouldn't be able to find a US state of similar population on a map either.First.Aspect said:
I think there was a poll of US public claiming Scottish heritage a few years ago that found about 20% could actually find Scotland on a map. I've never understood why Americans (a term other Americans across the rest of those two continents find offensive by the way) wear ignorance as a badge of honour.swjohnsey said:
Not really. See, I bought this old Brompton and I am in the process of stripping it down to fit in the back of my airplane. It is an early 2000s H5R and I plan to get rid of the rack and fenders, put S bars on it and update it some with a cheap China hollow crank. I've been a bike guy off and on for over 50 years, started out on a Raleigh Competition in the '70 then got interested in mountain bikes and bought one of the first, a Ritchey Commando, came as a box of parts, nothing built but the wheels . . .rick_chasey said:
You’ve arrived on a cycling forum by mistakeswjohnsey said:
Did I get in the Giuliani thread by mistake?kingstongraham said:
No, it's Giuliani. Have you not been paying attention?swjohnsey said:
Is that Trump?kingstongraham said:swjohnsey said:
Except that he didn't say that. What China did was to brutally shut down their own country without shutting down international travel.kingstongraham said:More embarrassing should be that he says the virus was manufactured in China and released.
I always wondered about the foreign interest in Trump. Most Americans couldn't tell you who the British PM is.
I've spent a lot of time in the US over the years and it is a complex, fascinating and often disturbing society. But one thing it is not is a society that looks outwardly.
So the comment about not knowing (or caring?) who the prime minister of the UK is misses the point that not only does the UK media fixate on US politics but also on other politics that matters to it.
So the attitude seems to be that nowhere else matters to Americans. Not sure that is a good thing in the long run, even for Americans.
Yes, the UK media has a bizare obsession with the US, but that simply means it is ignoring other subjects.
All nations are rather self interested. It is just a bit more pronounced in the US in my experience.0 -
So I just watched the film and it's pretty bad. There are a handful of laugh out loud moments but most of the set ups don't really work and feel very contrived. The whole Giuliani scene where he is interviewed by Borat's daughter is pretty lame and the hands down the trousers clip fails to make him look like a sex pest if that was the intention. True enough he doesn't come out of the whole thing looking like a statesman but it's not going to damage him much such is the state of US politics. The original Borat movie was sublime, this is just a very bad sequel from a guy who's ran out of original ideas.shortfall said:I don't have any skin in the game here, I'm just someone who watches on bemused at the state of American politics, but I haven't seen the clip in question yet (have any of you?) and is it beyond the bounds of possibility that some crafty editing has been used to make this look like more than it is? Yeah Giuliani is fair game I suppose and it's not inconceivable that he's a dirty old man but at least let's see the movie before passing judgement. It couldn't be that just because he's a Republican some of you want him to become damaged goods could it?
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A sequel was never going to work but he has had a great run. Even brothers grimsby had some great scenes. Hiding in an elephants uterus while it gets gang banged.shortfall said:
So I just watched the film and it's pretty bad. There are a handful of laugh out loud moments but most of the set ups don't really work and feel very contrived. The whole Giuliani scene where he is interviewed by Borat's daughter is pretty lame and the hands down the trousers clip fails to make him look like a sex pest if that was the intention. True enough he doesn't come out of the whole thing looking like a statesman but it's not going to damage him much such is the state of US politics. The original Borat movie was sublime, this is just a very bad sequel from a guy who's ran out of original ideas.shortfall said:I don't have any skin in the game here, I'm just someone who watches on bemused at the state of American politics, but I haven't seen the clip in question yet (have any of you?) and is it beyond the bounds of possibility that some crafty editing has been used to make this look like more than it is? Yeah Giuliani is fair game I suppose and it's not inconceivable that he's a dirty old man but at least let's see the movie before passing judgement. It couldn't be that just because he's a Republican some of you want him to become damaged goods could it?
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Lol, true.darkhairedlord said:
A sequel was never going to work but he has had a great run. Even brothers grimsby had some great scenes. Hiding in an elephants uterus while it gets gang banged.shortfall said:
So I just watched the film and it's pretty bad. There are a handful of laugh out loud moments but most of the set ups don't really work and feel very contrived. The whole Giuliani scene where he is interviewed by Borat's daughter is pretty lame and the hands down the trousers clip fails to make him look like a sex pest if that was the intention. True enough he doesn't come out of the whole thing looking like a statesman but it's not going to damage him much such is the state of US politics. The original Borat movie was sublime, this is just a very bad sequel from a guy who's ran out of original ideas.shortfall said:I don't have any skin in the game here, I'm just someone who watches on bemused at the state of American politics, but I haven't seen the clip in question yet (have any of you?) and is it beyond the bounds of possibility that some crafty editing has been used to make this look like more than it is? Yeah Giuliani is fair game I suppose and it's not inconceivable that he's a dirty old man but at least let's see the movie before passing judgement. It couldn't be that just because he's a Republican some of you want him to become damaged goods could it?
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I think you underestimate the size of USA, your comparison should be with Europe. How many Brits could identify on a map every country in Europe? Now let’s name the leaders of nearby countries like Turkey and Egypt or go for some biggies far away like Japan.First.Aspect said:
Culturally introspective, then. You know what I am driving at. The US is a nation that flies its own flag in its own country and sings its own national anthem to itself at sporting events that only it plays, and pats itself on the back rather a lot.TheBigBean said:
Happy to make the same statement about ignorance - the idea that Americans are ignorant is an ignorant opinion.First.Aspect said:
Stupid isn't the same as ignorant.TheBigBean said:
True. I missed that bit which does change things a bit. In general though I find the argument " Americans are so stupid " to be, well, stupidkingstongraham said:
I think the key bit there is "of Scottish heritage"TheBigBean said:
Most Europeans wouldn't be able to find a US state of similar population on a map either.First.Aspect said:
I think there was a poll of US public claiming Scottish heritage a few years ago that found about 20% could actually find Scotland on a map. I've never understood why Americans (a term other Americans across the rest of those two continents find offensive by the way) wear ignorance as a badge of honour.swjohnsey said:
Not really. See, I bought this old Brompton and I am in the process of stripping it down to fit in the back of my airplane. It is an early 2000s H5R and I plan to get rid of the rack and fenders, put S bars on it and update it some with a cheap China hollow crank. I've been a bike guy off and on for over 50 years, started out on a Raleigh Competition in the '70 then got interested in mountain bikes and bought one of the first, a Ritchey Commando, came as a box of parts, nothing built but the wheels . . .rick_chasey said:
You’ve arrived on a cycling forum by mistakeswjohnsey said:
Did I get in the Giuliani thread by mistake?kingstongraham said:
No, it's Giuliani. Have you not been paying attention?swjohnsey said:
Is that Trump?kingstongraham said:swjohnsey said:
Except that he didn't say that. What China did was to brutally shut down their own country without shutting down international travel.kingstongraham said:More embarrassing should be that he says the virus was manufactured in China and released.
I always wondered about the foreign interest in Trump. Most Americans couldn't tell you who the British PM is.
I've spent a lot of time in the US over the years and it is a complex, fascinating and often disturbing society. But one thing it is not is a society that looks outwardly.
So the comment about not knowing (or caring?) who the prime minister of the UK is misses the point that not only does the UK media fixate on US politics but also on other politics that matters to it.
So the attitude seems to be that nowhere else matters to Americans. Not sure that is a good thing in the long run, even for Americans.
Yes, the UK media has a bizare obsession with the US, but that simply means it is ignoring other subjects.
All nations are rather self interested. It is just a bit more pronounced in the US in my experience.
Now try asking a Brit when the civil war was (British or American) to within 50 years, or ask them the date of Pearl Harbour, or to give a brief explanation of the significance of the Battle of Midway.
Maybe rather than ignorance they just learn different stuff.
Try telling a Frenchman that Brits are so insular that they will not have heard of Verdun and he won’t believe you.1
