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Does it though? In the modern world this sort of behaviour is not seen as immoral.kingstongraham said:
The second mostly - I don't think he's capable of embarrassment.nickice said:
Other than deep embarrassment, what did Rudy Giuliani actually morally do wrong according to modern standards (which I don't particularly agree with) ? He's not married and he's three times her age but does he preach about this sort of thing?kingstongraham said:
Or is it because it could have been a honeytrap?
But it also makes it quite difficult for him to appear on TV moralising about Hunter Biden without everyone laughing at him.0 -
Still funny thoughnickice said:
Does it though? In the modern world this sort of behaviour is not seen as immoral.kingstongraham said:
The second mostly - I don't think he's capable of embarrassment.nickice said:
Other than deep embarrassment, what did Rudy Giuliani actually morally do wrong according to modern standards (which I don't particularly agree with) ? He's not married and he's three times her age but does he preach about this sort of thing?kingstongraham said:
Or is it because it could have been a honeytrap?
But it also makes it quite difficult for him to appear on TV moralising about Hunter Biden without everyone laughing at him.0 -
It probably is but he was at his best when he could tease bigoted statements out of people or expose them as hypocrites. I've never been a fan of publicly embarrassing people for no reason.kingstongraham said:
Still funny thoughnickice said:
Does it though? In the modern world this sort of behaviour is not seen as immoral.kingstongraham said:
The second mostly - I don't think he's capable of embarrassment.nickice said:
Other than deep embarrassment, what did Rudy Giuliani actually morally do wrong according to modern standards (which I don't particularly agree with) ? He's not married and he's three times her age but does he preach about this sort of thing?kingstongraham said:
Or is it because it could have been a honeytrap?
But it also makes it quite difficult for him to appear on TV moralising about Hunter Biden without everyone laughing at him.0 -
A guy at work was standing behind a low screen talking to a lass. Nothing wrong there except a couple of people were on the same side and saw him pulling on his... as he was talking to her.
Whether he thought he was going to get laid or not he's still a dirty ol' b'stard. The fact mr Guiliani's example was filmed makes no difference to the fact he's a dirty old man groping himself in front of a woman he's talking to. Or am I missing something. Certainly not the set up aspect, it's the nature of them to catch someone out but if that someone doesn't do anything wrong they don't get caught out.0 -
Sexual shenanigans per se maybe not. Sexual shenanigans between a rich, powerful old man and a young woman who he has reason to believe wants a favour from him?nickice said:
Does it though? In the modern world this sort of behaviour is not seen as immoral.kingstongraham said:
The second mostly - I don't think he's capable of embarrassment.nickice said:
Other than deep embarrassment, what did Rudy Giuliani actually morally do wrong according to modern standards (which I don't particularly agree with) ? He's not married and he's three times her age but does he preach about this sort of thing?kingstongraham said:
Or is it because it could have been a honeytrap?
But it also makes it quite difficult for him to appear on TV moralising about Hunter Biden without everyone laughing at him.
I don't think they were trying to collect evidence of a crime, just to make him look sleazy: and whether they succeeded in that doesn't depend on your morals or mine, it depends on whether it changes any voters' minds.0 -
He also agreed to eat a bat with her.0
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Don't be ridiculous, as you should be aware he was just tucking his shirt intangled_metal said:the fact he's a dirty old man groping himself in front of a woman he's talking to
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She was just there to interview him. He said himself that as soon as the interview started he thought it was fake and called the police. Why that would prompt him to fondle himself I don't know.nickice said:elbowloh said:
Are you in the habit of fondling yourself in front of women?nickice said:
Other than deep embarrassment, what did Rudy Giuliani actually morally do wrong according to modern standards (which I don't particularly agree with) ? He's not married and he's three times her age but does he preach about this sort of thing?kingstongraham said:
Or is it because it could have been a honeytrap?
What?? Are you a virgin or something?
Whatever people do behind closed doors ( as long as it's consensual) is nobody's business.
I haven't seen the video but the whole point was to make him think that she was going to sleep with him.
He's either lying or he's a perv.
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In the world of Trump's dodgy dealing I'm not sure why they're trying (badly) to tar Biden with that brush?nickice said:
Does it though? In the modern world this sort of behaviour is not seen as immoral.kingstongraham said:
The second mostly - I don't think he's capable of embarrassment.nickice said:
Other than deep embarrassment, what did Rudy Giuliani actually morally do wrong according to modern standards (which I don't particularly agree with) ? He's not married and he's three times her age but does he preach about this sort of thing?kingstongraham said:
Or is it because it could have been a honeytrap?
But it also makes it quite difficult for him to appear on TV moralising about Hunter Biden without everyone laughing at him.
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It's been reported in the press that she took him to the bedroom and removed his microphone...i don't think it takes a genius to work out that this is exactly what the producers wanted to happening.elbowloh said:
She was just there to interview him. He said himself that as soon as the interview started he thought it was fake and called the police. Why that would prompt him to fondle himself I don't know.nickice said:elbowloh said:
Are you in the habit of fondling yourself in front of women?nickice said:
Other than deep embarrassment, what did Rudy Giuliani actually morally do wrong according to modern standards (which I don't particularly agree with) ? He's not married and he's three times her age but does he preach about this sort of thing?kingstongraham said:
Or is it because it could have been a honeytrap?
What?? Are you a virgin or something?
Whatever people do behind closed doors ( as long as it's consensual) is nobody's business.
I haven't seen the video but the whole point was to make him think that she was going to sleep with him.
He's either lying or he's a perv.0 -
He said that he put his hands down his trousers to sort out his shirt after he took off the microphone.nickice said:
It's been reported in the press that she took him to the bedroom and removed his microphone...i don't think it takes a genius to work out that this is exactly what the producers wanted to happening.elbowloh said:
She was just there to interview him. He said himself that as soon as the interview started he thought it was fake and called the police. Why that would prompt him to fondle himself I don't know.nickice said:elbowloh said:
Are you in the habit of fondling yourself in front of women?nickice said:
Other than deep embarrassment, what did Rudy Giuliani actually morally do wrong according to modern standards (which I don't particularly agree with) ? He's not married and he's three times her age but does he preach about this sort of thing?kingstongraham said:
Or is it because it could have been a honeytrap?
What?? Are you a virgin or something?
Whatever people do behind closed doors ( as long as it's consensual) is nobody's business.
I haven't seen the video but the whole point was to make him think that she was going to sleep with him.
He's either lying or he's a perv.0 -
I don't disagree about the power dynamics but a lot of men are guilty of that as are a lot of women (in order to get ahead).bompington said:
Sexual shenanigans per se maybe not. Sexual shenanigans between a rich, powerful old man and a young woman who he has reason to believe wants a favour from him?nickice said:
Does it though? In the modern world this sort of behaviour is not seen as immoral.kingstongraham said:
The second mostly - I don't think he's capable of embarrassment.nickice said:
Other than deep embarrassment, what did Rudy Giuliani actually morally do wrong according to modern standards (which I don't particularly agree with) ? He's not married and he's three times her age but does he preach about this sort of thing?kingstongraham said:
Or is it because it could have been a honeytrap?
But it also makes it quite difficult for him to appear on TV moralising about Hunter Biden without everyone laughing at him.
I don't think they were trying to collect evidence of a crime, just to make him look sleazy: and whether they succeeded in that doesn't depend on your morals or mine, it depends on whether it changes any voters' minds.
It's almost as if religions that frown upon that sort of thing should get more credit than we give them.0 -
They were in a bedroom that she'd just invited him to. We'll see tomorrow when the film is released.tangled_metal said:A guy at work was standing behind a low screen talking to a lass. Nothing wrong there except a couple of people were on the same side and saw him pulling on his... as he was talking to her.
Whether he thought he was going to get laid or not he's still a dirty ol' b'stard. The fact mr Guiliani's example was filmed makes no difference to the fact he's a dirty old man groping himself in front of a woman he's talking to. Or am I missing something. Certainly not the set up aspect, it's the nature of them to catch someone out but if that someone doesn't do anything wrong they don't get caught out.0 -
Edit: duplicate.
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She invited him for a drink I think. that doesn't require to be lying on a bed.nickice said:
They were in a bedroom that she'd just invited him to. We'll see tomorrow when the film is released.tangled_metal said:A guy at work was standing behind a low screen talking to a lass. Nothing wrong there except a couple of people were on the same side and saw him pulling on his... as he was talking to her.
Whether he thought he was going to get laid or not he's still a dirty ol' b'stard. The fact mr Guiliani's example was filmed makes no difference to the fact he's a dirty old man groping himself in front of a woman he's talking to. Or am I missing something. Certainly not the set up aspect, it's the nature of them to catch someone out but if that someone doesn't do anything wrong they don't get caught out.
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I think there's a straightforward strategy there - Trumpology 101 says that, if he's committed a crime or other misdemeanour, he loudly accuses the other guy of the same thing. Nobody will believe him, but it's all about the po-mo bending of truth, so the net result is to minimise the impact of his own crime.elbowloh said:
In the world of Trump's dodgy dealing I'm not sure why they're trying (badly) to tar Biden with that brush?nickice said:
Does it though? In the modern world this sort of behaviour is not seen as immoral.kingstongraham said:
The second mostly - I don't think he's capable of embarrassment.nickice said:
Other than deep embarrassment, what did Rudy Giuliani actually morally do wrong according to modern standards (which I don't particularly agree with) ? He's not married and he's three times her age but does he preach about this sort of thing?kingstongraham said:
Or is it because it could have been a honeytrap?
But it also makes it quite difficult for him to appear on TV moralising about Hunter Biden without everyone laughing at him.0 -
If a woman invites you to a hotel room for a drink it's pretty clear what the implication is. That doesn't mean she can't change her mind to be clear.elbowloh said:
She invited him for a drink I think. that doesn't require to be lying on a bed.nickice said:
They were in a bedroom that she'd just invited him to. We'll see tomorrow when the film is released.tangled_metal said:A guy at work was standing behind a low screen talking to a lass. Nothing wrong there except a couple of people were on the same side and saw him pulling on his... as he was talking to her.
Whether he thought he was going to get laid or not he's still a dirty ol' b'stard. The fact mr Guiliani's example was filmed makes no difference to the fact he's a dirty old man groping himself in front of a woman he's talking to. Or am I missing something. Certainly not the set up aspect, it's the nature of them to catch someone out but if that someone doesn't do anything wrong they don't get caught out.0 -
Did the interview take place in the hotel room? That's fairly common.nickice said:
If a woman invites you to a hotel room for a drink it's pretty clear what the implication is. That doesn't mean she can't change her mind to be clear.elbowloh said:
She invited him for a drink I think. that doesn't require to be lying on a bed.nickice said:
They were in a bedroom that she'd just invited him to. We'll see tomorrow when the film is released.tangled_metal said:A guy at work was standing behind a low screen talking to a lass. Nothing wrong there except a couple of people were on the same side and saw him pulling on his... as he was talking to her.
Whether he thought he was going to get laid or not he's still a dirty ol' b'stard. The fact mr Guiliani's example was filmed makes no difference to the fact he's a dirty old man groping himself in front of a woman he's talking to. Or am I missing something. Certainly not the set up aspect, it's the nature of them to catch someone out but if that someone doesn't do anything wrong they don't get caught out.0 -
I bet it was a suite.elbowloh said:
Did the interview take place in the hotel room? That's fairly common.nickice said:
If a woman invites you to a hotel room for a drink it's pretty clear what the implication is. That doesn't mean she can't change her mind to be clear.elbowloh said:
She invited him for a drink I think. that doesn't require to be lying on a bed.nickice said:
They were in a bedroom that she'd just invited him to. We'll see tomorrow when the film is released.tangled_metal said:A guy at work was standing behind a low screen talking to a lass. Nothing wrong there except a couple of people were on the same side and saw him pulling on his... as he was talking to her.
Whether he thought he was going to get laid or not he's still a dirty ol' b'stard. The fact mr Guiliani's example was filmed makes no difference to the fact he's a dirty old man groping himself in front of a woman he's talking to. Or am I missing something. Certainly not the set up aspect, it's the nature of them to catch someone out but if that someone doesn't do anything wrong they don't get caught out.0 -
Edit - sounds like it was in the suite, and they went to the bedroom for a drinkelbowloh said:
Did the interview take place in the hotel room? That's fairly common.nickice said:
If a woman invites you to a hotel room for a drink it's pretty clear what the implication is. That doesn't mean she can't change her mind to be clear.elbowloh said:
She invited him for a drink I think. that doesn't require to be lying on a bed.nickice said:
They were in a bedroom that she'd just invited him to. We'll see tomorrow when the film is released.tangled_metal said:A guy at work was standing behind a low screen talking to a lass. Nothing wrong there except a couple of people were on the same side and saw him pulling on his... as he was talking to her.
Whether he thought he was going to get laid or not he's still a dirty ol' b'stard. The fact mr Guiliani's example was filmed makes no difference to the fact he's a dirty old man groping himself in front of a woman he's talking to. Or am I missing something. Certainly not the set up aspect, it's the nature of them to catch someone out but if that someone doesn't do anything wrong they don't get caught out.0 -
I don't have any skin in the game here, I'm just someone who watches on bemused at the state of American politics, but I haven't seen the clip in question yet (have any of you?) and is it beyond the bounds of possibility that some crafty editing has been used to make this look like more than it is? Yeah Giuliani is fair game I suppose and it's not inconceivable that he's a dirty old man but at least let's see the movie before passing judgement. It couldn't be that just because he's a Republican some of you want him to become damaged goods could it?0
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I think its more a case of karma. He's desperately trying to tarnish Biden with some very ropey and so far invisible evidence of wrong doing so for this to happen to him now is pretty funny.shortfall said:I don't have any skin in the game here, I'm just someone who watches on bemused at the state of American politics, but I haven't seen the clip in question yet (have any of you?) and is it beyond the bounds of possibility that some crafty editing has been used to make this look like more than it is? Yeah Giuliani is fair game I suppose and it's not inconceivable that he's a dirty old man but at least let's see the movie before passing judgement. It couldn't be that just because he's a Republican some of you want him to become damaged goods could it?
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It's because he's Giuliani.shortfall said:I don't have any skin in the game here, I'm just someone who watches on bemused at the state of American politics, but I haven't seen the clip in question yet (have any of you?) and is it beyond the bounds of possibility that some crafty editing has been used to make this look like more than it is? Yeah Giuliani is fair game I suppose and it's not inconceivable that he's a dirty old man but at least let's see the movie before passing judgement. It couldn't be that just because he's a Republican some of you want him to become damaged goods could it?
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Absolutely but have you seen the whole clip yet?elbowloh said:
I think its more a case of karma. He's desperately trying to tarnish Biden with some very ropey and so far invisible evidence of wrong doing so for this to happen to him now is pretty funny.shortfall said:I don't have any skin in the game here, I'm just someone who watches on bemused at the state of American politics, but I haven't seen the clip in question yet (have any of you?) and is it beyond the bounds of possibility that some crafty editing has been used to make this look like more than it is? Yeah Giuliani is fair game I suppose and it's not inconceivable that he's a dirty old man but at least let's see the movie before passing judgement. It couldn't be that just because he's a Republican some of you want him to become damaged goods could it?
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Not the whole thing, just images and Guiliani's own words in response.shortfall said:
Absolutely but have you seen the whole clip yet?elbowloh said:
I think its more a case of karma. He's desperately trying to tarnish Biden with some very ropey and so far invisible evidence of wrong doing so for this to happen to him now is pretty funny.shortfall said:I don't have any skin in the game here, I'm just someone who watches on bemused at the state of American politics, but I haven't seen the clip in question yet (have any of you?) and is it beyond the bounds of possibility that some crafty editing has been used to make this look like more than it is? Yeah Giuliani is fair game I suppose and it's not inconceivable that he's a dirty old man but at least let's see the movie before passing judgement. It couldn't be that just because he's a Republican some of you want him to become damaged goods could it?
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I thought 538 were saying about 70%.rick_chasey said:Decent chance Dems get to control all 3 - around about half.
Currently 87% for Biden, 74% for Senate and 96% for House.0 -
Nobody will as it will be edited to suit the movie's narrative.shortfall said:
Absolutely but have you seen the whole clip yet?elbowloh said:
I think its more a case of karma. He's desperately trying to tarnish Biden with some very ropey and so far invisible evidence of wrong doing so for this to happen to him now is pretty funny.shortfall said:I don't have any skin in the game here, I'm just someone who watches on bemused at the state of American politics, but I haven't seen the clip in question yet (have any of you?) and is it beyond the bounds of possibility that some crafty editing has been used to make this look like more than it is? Yeah Giuliani is fair game I suppose and it's not inconceivable that he's a dirty old man but at least let's see the movie before passing judgement. It couldn't be that just because he's a Republican some of you want him to become damaged goods could it?
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Fair enough.kingstongraham said:
I thought 538 were saying about 70%.rick_chasey said:Decent chance Dems get to control all 3 - around about half.
Currently 87% for Biden, 74% for Senate and 96% for House.
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Well quite.pblakeney said:
Nobody will as it will be edited to suit the movie's narrative.shortfall said:
Absolutely but have you seen the whole clip yet?elbowloh said:
I think its more a case of karma. He's desperately trying to tarnish Biden with some very ropey and so far invisible evidence of wrong doing so for this to happen to him now is pretty funny.shortfall said:I don't have any skin in the game here, I'm just someone who watches on bemused at the state of American politics, but I haven't seen the clip in question yet (have any of you?) and is it beyond the bounds of possibility that some crafty editing has been used to make this look like more than it is? Yeah Giuliani is fair game I suppose and it's not inconceivable that he's a dirty old man but at least let's see the movie before passing judgement. It couldn't be that just because he's a Republican some of you want him to become damaged goods could it?
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