May has gone - ding dong the utter, utter, total failure of a prime minister is gone
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briantrumpet wrote:Sgt.Pepper wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:I would describe myself as a "natural Tory" voter but definitely don't have any tribal baggage.
It is a very uninspiring line up but my choice would be Gove as he has intellectual ballast and over the last three years has shown signs of compromise.
Gove is even more unlikable than May. David Davis is far more reasonable, and would run rings around Corbyn.
Perfect.
Good for civil liberties though.0 -
Why isn't David Davis standing? I thought a lot of people wanted him in as a caretaker manager.0
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Rick Chasey wrote:Guys, why are you engaging with him.
Seriously.
I understand where you're coming from but, I'll deal with the post as it stands.
The post that detailed how the candidates stood in their opinion was a post worth discussing.
I'll ignore stuff worthy of being ignored but no harm in engaging with constructive posts.0 -
TheBigBean wrote:Why isn't David Davis standing? I thought a lot of people wanted him in as a caretaker manager.0
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With a "stop Boris" and a "stop Raab" campaign within the party, whoever wins is going to really struggle to unify the party. They're still not done with Europe for at least the next leader.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Coopster the 1st wrote:As one of the few Conservatives on this board and probably the one most in tune with the grass roots of the party this is how I see it.
The candidates can be put into a few groups:
Front runners(will win if they make it to the final 2):
Boris Johnson
Only one on the list that can bring an immediate halt to the Farage express. Also has leadership experience with his 2 terms as London Mayor. These 2 things combined with his popularity with the grass roots give the best chance of reuniting the Party.
Dominic Raab
Would be favourite without Boris in the running. If the MP's 'anyone but Boris(ABB)' plot succeeds Raab should win. If not, suspect he will get the DExEU job again.
The May v2 deal candidates:
Sajid Javid
Strongest of this group of candidates but the grass roots will not risk a May v2 compromise deal candidate again after May's compromise.
Michael Gove
A confirmed leaver but is tainted by his support of May v2. I personally don't trust him and I question how many of the grass roots will.
Jeremy Hunt
Killed his chances by going down the May v2 deal route.
Rory Stewart
Gone strong on social media too early IMO. Again has killed his chances with the grassroots by his support of a May v2 deal. Not comparable as a party leader or PM to any of the 5 above.
Matt Hancock
As per Rory Stewart but without the strong social media start.
Too soon for another female PM:
May has killed any chance of a female PM this time as while the party wants a Thatcher, there is too much risk that they get another May!
Esther McVey
A proper leaver but May's failure has killed the chance that the next PM is a woman.
Andrea Leadsom
As above but also tainted by voting for May's horrid deal.
Outsiders:
James Cleverly
The strongest outsider but I'm struggling to see where he will get the support with Boris and Raab in the running. Leavers MP's will not want to risk splitting the vote and not getting a proper Leaver in the final 2.
Kit Malthouse
He has a compromise deal named after him and not known outside that. Looks to be entering just to raise his profile for the future.
Mark Harper
Who? I doubt half his constituents know who he is. Again only entering to raise his profile.
Both Raab and Johnson voted for the Withdrawal Agreement including backstop.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Not one would make it through a tour of Wonka's Chocolate Factory.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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The idea of Boris having the ability to unify the party!You live and learn. At any rate, you live0
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morstar wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Guys, why are you engaging with him.
Seriously.
I understand where you're coming from but, I'll deal with the post as it stands.
The post that detailed how the candidates stood in their opinion was a post worth discussing.
I'll ignore stuff worthy of being ignored but no harm in engaging with constructive posts.
There’s no point as the reading comprehension isn’t at a level where you all know what the words mean.0 -
TailWindHome wrote:Coopster the 1st wrote:As one of the few Conservatives on this board and probably the one most in tune with the grass roots of the party this is how I see it.
The candidates can be put into a few groups:
Front runners(will win if they make it to the final 2):
Boris Johnson
Only one on the list that can bring an immediate halt to the Farage express. Also has leadership experience with his 2 terms as London Mayor. These 2 things combined with his popularity with the grass roots give the best chance of reuniting the Party.
Dominic Raab
Would be favourite without Boris in the running. If the MP's 'anyone but Boris(ABB)' plot succeeds Raab should win. If not, suspect he will get the DExEU job again.
The May v2 deal candidates:
Sajid Javid
Strongest of this group of candidates but the grass roots will not risk a May v2 compromise deal candidate again after May's compromise.
Michael Gove
A confirmed leaver but is tainted by his support of May v2. I personally don't trust him and I question how many of the grass roots will.
Jeremy Hunt
Killed his chances by going down the May v2 deal route.
Rory Stewart
Gone strong on social media too early IMO. Again has killed his chances with the grassroots by his support of a May v2 deal. Not comparable as a party leader or PM to any of the 5 above.
Matt Hancock
As per Rory Stewart but without the strong social media start.
Too soon for another female PM:
May has killed any chance of a female PM this time as while the party wants a Thatcher, there is too much risk that they get another May!
Esther McVey
A proper leaver but May's failure has killed the chance that the next PM is a woman.
Andrea Leadsom
As above but also tainted by voting for May's horrid deal.
Outsiders:
James Cleverly
The strongest outsider but I'm struggling to see where he will get the support with Boris and Raab in the running. Leavers MP's will not want to risk splitting the vote and not getting a proper Leaver in the final 2.
Kit Malthouse
He has a compromise deal named after him and not known outside that. Looks to be entering just to raise his profile for the future.
Mark Harper
Who? I doubt half his constituents know who he is. Again only entering to raise his profile.
Both Raab and Johnson voted for the Withdrawal Agreement including backstop.
Never mind that; the "Farage Express"??
In the European elections with a <40% turnout he did slightly better than the previous party he ran despite the two main parties being in freefall. With absolutely everything running in his favour he managed a third of the vote. If he gets two seats at Westminster it'll be his best day ever.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
rjsterry wrote:TailWindHome wrote:Coopster the 1st wrote:As one of the few Conservatives on this board and probably the one most in tune with the grass roots of the party this is how I see it.
The candidates can be put into a few groups:
Front runners(will win if they make it to the final 2):
Boris Johnson
Only one on the list that can bring an immediate halt to the Farage express. Also has leadership experience with his 2 terms as London Mayor. These 2 things combined with his popularity with the grass roots give the best chance of reuniting the Party.
Dominic Raab
Would be favourite without Boris in the running. If the MP's 'anyone but Boris(ABB)' plot succeeds Raab should win. If not, suspect he will get the DExEU job again.
The May v2 deal candidates:
Sajid Javid
Strongest of this group of candidates but the grass roots will not risk a May v2 compromise deal candidate again after May's compromise.
Michael Gove
A confirmed leaver but is tainted by his support of May v2. I personally don't trust him and I question how many of the grass roots will.
Jeremy Hunt
Killed his chances by going down the May v2 deal route.
Rory Stewart
Gone strong on social media too early IMO. Again has killed his chances with the grassroots by his support of a May v2 deal. Not comparable as a party leader or PM to any of the 5 above.
Matt Hancock
As per Rory Stewart but without the strong social media start.
Too soon for another female PM:
May has killed any chance of a female PM this time as while the party wants a Thatcher, there is too much risk that they get another May!
Esther McVey
A proper leaver but May's failure has killed the chance that the next PM is a woman.
Andrea Leadsom
As above but also tainted by voting for May's horrid deal.
Outsiders:
James Cleverly
The strongest outsider but I'm struggling to see where he will get the support with Boris and Raab in the running. Leavers MP's will not want to risk splitting the vote and not getting a proper Leaver in the final 2.
Kit Malthouse
He has a compromise deal named after him and not known outside that. Looks to be entering just to raise his profile for the future.
Mark Harper
Who? I doubt half his constituents know who he is. Again only entering to raise his profile.
Both Raab and Johnson voted for the Withdrawal Agreement including backstop.
Never mind that; the "Farage Express"??
In the European elections with a <40% turnout he did slightly better than the previous party he ran despite the two main parties being in freefall. With absolutely everything running in his favour he managed a third of the vote. If he gets two seats at Westminster it'll be his best day ever.
In an election we should never have had and one that lots of Leave voters dismissed voting in.
And in only 6 weeks he still managed to get over 50% more votes than the LD's, despite the LD vote being distorted by the EU citizen vote which based on turnout would be 1m votes(a very lowball figure IMO). This puts the LD vote share around 13.8% rather than the its distorted 20.3%
I would love Farage to be retired off and out of politics but for that to happen the Tories need to deliver Brexit, not delay it or deliver some sort of remainer decided BRINO.0 -
People feel happy to vote for Farage in European elections because despite winning the most seats in the UK his group is in a minority and will have zero impact on the way the EU runs, let alone everyday life in the UK. Winning seats in Westminster is quite a different thing.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
rjsterry wrote:People feel happy to vote for Farage in European elections because despite winning the most seats in the UK his group is in a minority and will have zero impact on the way the EU runs, let alone everyday life in the UK. Winning seats in Westminster is quite a different thing.
Quoting this so you cannot hide how silly you will look from this as we only have 6 days for your next bloody nose from the residents of Peterborough0 -
Coopster the 1st wrote:rjsterry wrote:People feel happy to vote for Farage in European elections because despite winning the most seats in the UK his group is in a minority and will have zero impact on the way the EU runs, let alone everyday life in the UK. Winning seats in Westminster is quite a different thing.
Quoting this so you cannot hide how silly you will look from this as we only have 6 days for your next bloody nose from the residents of Peterborough
Ladbrokes has the Brexit Party at 1/5 to take the seat with 30-40% share.
That would be an astonishing result.
Having just taken it last time and had their MP recalled (for the first time ever) Labour had little chance of retaining the seat and won't be badly impacted - the Tories have put up a very Brexity candidate.
(also it will kill off any other brexit party - Patrick O Flynn is quite high profile as a former UKIP MEP - he's at 100/1)“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Coopster the 1st wrote:rjsterry wrote:People feel happy to vote for Farage in European elections because despite winning the most seats in the UK his group is in a minority and will have zero impact on the way the EU runs, let alone everyday life in the UK. Winning seats in Westminster is quite a different thing.
Quoting this so you cannot hide how silly you will look from this as we only have 6 days for your next bloody nose from the residents of Peterborough
Those 6 finger punches do hurt.0 -
Coopster the 1st wrote:rjsterry wrote:People feel happy to vote for Farage in European elections because despite winning the most seats in the UK his group is in a minority and will have zero impact on the way the EU runs, let alone everyday life in the UK. Winning seats in Westminster is quite a different thing.
Quoting this so you cannot hide how silly you will look from this as we only have 6 days for your next bloody nose from the residents of Peterborough
Quote away. The Brexit Party are playing down their chances but Farage's proxies have managed to win a by-election or two before then lost them at the next GE. Let's see what happens but one seat is a long way from changing anything at Westminster.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
John Bercow for pm. Obviously.
The only one who restore order in our troubled land.
Probably not stupid enough and vain enough to want the job nor dishonest enough to receive the support of his party.0 -
Robert88 wrote:John Bercow for pm. Obviously.
The only one who restore order in our troubled land.
Probably not stupid enough and vain enough to want the job nor dishonest enough to receive the support of his party.
This is a joke right? Not vain??? Not dishonest??? Phew, for a minute there I thought you were being serious.0 -
SurferCyclist wrote:Robert88 wrote:John Bercow for pm. Obviously.
The only one who restore order in our troubled land.
Probably not stupid enough and vain enough to want the job nor dishonest enough to receive the support of his party.
This is a joke right? Not vain??? Not dishonest??? Phew, for a minute there I thought you were being serious.
We're talking comparatives not absolutes. The bar is so low it could be hurdled by a very not jumpy thing.0 -
Ben Bradley MP@bbradleymp
Ben Bradley MP Retweeted Jeremy Hunt
To help me win in my marginal seat, you need to commit to leaving the EU on October 31st come what may. Anything else is guaranteed to put me out of a job“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
SurferCyclist wrote:Robert88 wrote:John Bercow for pm. Obviously.
The only one who restore order in our troubled land.
Probably not stupid enough and vain enough to want the job nor dishonest enough to receive the support of his party.
This is a joke right? Not vain??? Not dishonest??? Phew, for a minute there I thought you were being serious.
Yeah but this is cake stop remember?0 -
rjsterry wrote:People feel happy to vote for Farage in European elections because despite winning the most seats in the UK his group is in a minority and will have zero impact on the way the EU runs, let alone everyday life in the UK. Winning seats in Westminster is quite a different thing.
The generally more intelligent remain voters or "soft" leavers (if by "soft" you mean with a modicum of common sense and numeracy) did things like vote on the basis of at least one actual policy.
More or less the same happens in Scotland, because the SNP has the word "Scottish" in it, stupid people think they must be acting in their best interests.0 -
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Anybody else think Donald Tusk would be a much better candidate?0
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Surrey Commuter wrote:Anybody else think Donald Tusk would be a much better candidate?0
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bompington wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:Anybody else think Donald Tusk would be a much better candidate?
We certainly seem to have a shortage of appropriately skilled political leaders.0 -
Be careful what you wish for. Tusk will merely quote an obscure piece of UK law and then declare we are a rules based organisation so nothing can be done. This is the EU way.0
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john80 wrote:Be careful what you wish for. Tusk will merely quote an obscure piece of UK law and then declare we are a rules based organisation so nothing can be done. This is the EU way.
Would you not rather have him in your tent...?0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:john80 wrote:Be careful what you wish for. Tusk will merely quote an obscure piece of UK law and then declare we are a rules based organisation so nothing can be done. This is the EU way.
Would you not rather have him in your tent...?0