2024 Election thread

pblakeney

Those graphs only seem to show that China is an outlier and everyone else is much of a muchness at 2017 in the top one and today in the second.

rjsterry

First.Aspect said:

What does unfair enforcement mean?

Nothing. None of it means anything.

pblakeney

rjsterry said:

First.Aspect said:

What does unfair enforcement mean?

Nothing. None of it means anything.

Also begs the question as to who is in charge of the laws being enforced?
Are they saying that their laws are stupid after 13 years of being in charge?

rjsterry

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

First.Aspect said:

What does unfair enforcement mean?

Nothing. None of it means anything.

Also begs the question as to who is in charge of the laws being enforced?
Are they saying that their laws are stupid after 13 years of being in charge?

Their entire strategy depends on pretending that the last 13 years was some other party so one can understand the need to talk bollox repeatedly.

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Yeah the political reality is unless you grow the economy you’re gonna end up with more debt.

So that’s why austerity is so bad etc

But according to your logic, more debt is needed to drive economic growth, isn't it?

Well that was the case 10 years ago now but the situation has changed.

The drive to cut debt was austerity.

We can now all agree that that is a failure, as the premise of austerity was to reduce the debt burden and now look where we are.

I maintain the counter factual that if Britain and Europe had embarked on genuine counter cyclical spending like the US did, the economies would all be substantially bigger.

However, a decade and a half of no growth and the Brexit/Truss episode has eroded the trust of the British government by investors which makes counter cyclical spending much harder, as investors won’t give you the same leeway to embark on it.

So 15 years on there are fewer levers to pull….as a result of poor mismanagement for a decade and a half.

I dont think we can all agree. As has already been mentioned there are other factors. Your simple premise of more debt = more growth assumes that whatever the money is spent on generates a greater return than the spend, but that isn't necessarily the case.

Stevo_666

tailwindhome said:

The manifesto is being written by your crazy uncle on Facebook

By that I think it won't be popular in the Cake Stop bubble, but likely to be a vote winner overall.

Jezyboy

Meh, I imagine the first two will do very little, because they are both generally quite popular with local residents.

The third is bizarre. Why wouldn't I want amenities close by?

The forth has precisely no impact on the majority of my driving.

I have to say though, they've successfully got the aerated concrete in schools issue out of the headlines.

First.Aspect

Jezyboy said:

Meh, I imagine the first two will do very little, because they are both generally quite popular with local residents.

The third is bizarre. Why wouldn't I want amenities close by?

The forth has precisely no impact on the majority of my driving.

I have to say though, they've successfully got the aerated concrete in schools issue out of the headlines.

I take it that you don't have an amphibious car then?

Jezyboy

First.Aspect said:

Jezyboy said:

Meh, I imagine the first two will do very little, because they are both generally quite popular with local residents.

The third is bizarre. Why wouldn't I want amenities close by?

The forth has precisely no impact on the majority of my driving.

I have to say though, they've successfully got the aerated concrete in schools issue out of the headlines.

I take it that you don't have an amphibious car then?

Very good!

Tbf if we wanted an example of a commitment that would improve my driving experience, speeding up the building of HS2 would possibly be near the top of the list.

Not because it gets people out of their cars, but because the works are resulting in a major trunk route being cut to one lane, with junctions shut and a 40 limit (which is completely unachievable during busy times due to the lane closure).

tailwindhome

Where will HS2 reach?

We've spades in the ground

Where will it go?

Can't say Laura.

tailwindhome

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

The manifesto is being written by your crazy uncle on Facebook

By that I think it won't be popular in the Cake Stop bubble, but likely to be a vote winner overall.

There are a lot of crazy uncles out there tbf

Stevo_666

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

The manifesto is being written by your crazy uncle on Facebook

By that I think it won't be popular in the Cake Stop bubble, but likely to be a vote winner overall.

There are a lot of crazy uncles out there tbf

I think you're agreeing, while implying that Cake Stop knows better than the general public.

TheBigBean

tailwindhome said:

Where will HS2 reach?

We've spades in the ground

Where will it go?

Can't say Laura.

Presumably doesn't know what Labour will do.

pblakeney

TheBigBean said:

tailwindhome said:

Where will HS2 reach?

We've spades in the ground

Where will it go?

Can't say Laura.

Presumably doesn't know what Labour will do.

That’s fair. Not much point in committing to anything on a National basis much past 12 months.
Local policies for local MPs.

tailwindhome

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

The manifesto is being written by your crazy uncle on Facebook

By that I think it won't be popular in the Cake Stop bubble, but likely to be a vote winner overall.

There are a lot of crazy uncles out there tbf

I think you're agreeing, while implying that Cake Stop knows better than the general public.

To be honest I've no idea how widespread the conspiracy theories around 15minute cities resonate with normal people.

As for the 20 mph thing that fell apart under questioning from Kuenssberg as Sunak admitted he can't do anything about Tory Councils making local decisions

It's all a bit desperate

kingstongraham

Will wait to see if there are any policies, because the two there that might have any impact don't seem to say anything. People like their LTNs in general, and 20mph should obviously only be where it makes sense.

Stevo_666

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

The manifesto is being written by your crazy uncle on Facebook

By that I think it won't be popular in the Cake Stop bubble, but likely to be a vote winner overall.

There are a lot of crazy uncles out there tbf

I think you're agreeing, while implying that Cake Stop knows better than the general public.

To be honest I've no idea how widespread the conspiracy theories around 15minute cities resonate with normal people.

As for the 20 mph thing that fell apart under questioning from Kuenssberg as Sunak admitted he can't do anything about Tory Councils making local decisions

It's all a bit desperate

Let's see what happens when the policies come out. I suspect they will be more popular than you might like.

The Labour lead is already thinning, so let's see who starts getting twitchy.
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/09/30/labour-tories-latest-poll-keir-starmer-rishi-sunak/

kingstongraham

Stevo, do you support the measures against 15 minute cities?

Stevo_666

kingstongraham said:

Stevo, do you support the measures against 15 minute cities?

I'm against stoppin people driving from one place to another in a town or city by a route of their choice. So if it prevents that restriction then fine.

kingstongraham

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo, do you support the measures against 15 minute cities?

I'm I'm the bits that stops people driving from one place to another in a town or city by a route of their choice.

Like any one way system?

Or anything more specific?

Or just the over complicated Oxford one?

Stevo_666

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo, do you support the measures against 15 minute cities?

I'm I'm the bits that stops people driving from one place to another in a town or city by a route of their choice.

Like any one way system?

Or anything more specific?

Or just the over complicated Oxford one?

See correction above. Not gone into any more details so can't comment further.

kingstongraham

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo, do you support the measures against 15 minute cities?

I'm I'm the bits that stops people driving from one place to another in a town or city by a route of their choice.

Like any one way system?

Or anything more specific?

Or just the over complicated Oxford one?

See correction above. Not gone into any more details so can't comment further.

If you didn't previously know that it's a dog whistle to appeal to those who think it's part of a plot by the WEF to lock people in their homes, you do now.

tailwindhome

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

The manifesto is being written by your crazy uncle on Facebook

By that I think it won't be popular in the Cake Stop bubble, but likely to be a vote winner overall.

There are a lot of crazy uncles out there tbf

I think you're agreeing, while implying that Cake Stop knows better than the general public.

To be honest I've no idea how widespread the conspiracy theories around 15minute cities resonate with normal people.

As for the 20 mph thing that fell apart under questioning from Kuenssberg as Sunak admitted he can't do anything about Tory Councils making local decisions

It's all a bit desperate

Let's see what happens when the policies come out. I suspect they will be more popular than you might like.

The Labour lead is already thinning, so let's see who starts getting twitchy.
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/09/30/labour-tories-latest-poll-keir-starmer-rishi-sunak/

Meh. Wouldn't read too much into one outlier poll. Certainly not until after everyone's had their conference.

But I do think that if polls start going in the right direction (even if the gap is still large) Sunak may be tempted by a May election

rick_chasey

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

The manifesto is being written by your crazy uncle on Facebook

By that I think it won't be popular in the Cake Stop bubble, but likely to be a vote winner overall.

There are a lot of crazy uncles out there tbf

I think you're agreeing, while implying that Cake Stop knows better than the general public.

To be honest I've no idea how widespread the conspiracy theories around 15minute cities resonate with normal people.

As for the 20 mph thing that fell apart under questioning from Kuenssberg as Sunak admitted he can't do anything about Tory Councils making local decisions

It's all a bit desperate

Let's see what happens when the policies come out. I suspect they will be more popular than you might like.

The Labour lead is already thinning, so let's see who starts getting twitchy.
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/09/30/labour-tories-latest-poll-keir-starmer-rishi-sunak/

Meh. Wouldn't read too much into one outlier poll. Certainly not until after everyone's had their conference.

But I do think that if polls start going in the right direction (even if the gap is still large) Sunak may be tempted by a May election

Needs time for inflation to drop

kingstongraham

I suppose it's pretty conservative to take the status quo as it was a while ago as the natural state and not want anything to ever change.

rick_chasey

https://twitter.com/hannahrosewoods/status/1708453791220003059?s=20

rick_chasey

Already feels like the election is on and it’s another year of this

focuszing723

The real question is will you still be here having a crack at Labour, Lab/Libs if they get in?

focuszing723

Or will the job be done, regardless of performance?

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

The manifesto is being written by your crazy uncle on Facebook

By that I think it won't be popular in the Cake Stop bubble, but likely to be a vote winner overall.

Based on...?