La Vuelta 2023: Stage 13:- Formigal - Col du Tourmalet 135Kms ***Spoilers***
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But similarly, Vingegaard and Roglc especially have had this race on the schedule since the beginning of the year, with the intention of winning. Kuss was a bit of an after thought.blazing_saddles said:
If I am Kuss, having the measure of all my opponents and on the brink of winning a grand tour, I am not going to be saying “oh that’s alright, I don’t mind giving up such a glittering prize and the big bucks that I can expect in the future.”
Force him into submission and even someone as laid back as he is, will be out of the Jumbo door.
Whatever happens someone is going to be peed off and resentful. It's not like one is clearly strongest.Twitter: @RichN950 -
I agree with your final paragraph. My point was that in terms of causing the least friction, maintaining the status quo is the lesser evil.RichN95. said:
But similarly, Vingegaard and Roglc especially have had this race on the schedule since the beginning of the year, with the intention of winning. Kuss was a bit of an after thought.blazing_saddles said:
If I am Kuss, having the measure of all my opponents and on the brink of winning a grand tour, I am not going to be saying “oh that’s alright, I don’t mind giving up such a glittering prize and the big bucks that I can expect in the future.”
Force him into submission and even someone as laid back as he is, will be out of the Jumbo door.
Whatever happens someone is going to be peed off and resentful. It's not like one is clearly strongest."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Well whaddaya know?kingstongraham said:
He'll be targeting stage wins now then. That's what we say, right?Tashman said:
Evenepoel finishes with a gap of 27 minutes
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If either Rog or Vingegaard are to win they are going to need either (a) Kuss to crack, (b) an antagonist to attack and give them licence to go up the road, or (c) to attack their own team mate in the red jersey.
How do you see it playing out?0 -
Kuss to win, assuming he doesn't crack. This shouldn't happen given his climbing ability and the opposition (in other teams). Would the other two want a gifted Tour?r0bh said:If either Rog or Vingegaard are to win they are going to need either (a) Kuss to crack, (b) an antagonist to attack and give them licence to go up the road, or (c) to attack their own team mate in the red jersey.
How do you see it playing out?
I guess we will find out.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
As per Snap! It's getting kinda hectic
I'veWe've got the power.
Has to be the JV team objective for the podium 1,2,3.0 -
There’s a possibility it just feels futile for him. Jumbo are sooo strong and he looks like he is just on his own to try and counter them which must get into his head.RichN95. said:
He's ill or over-raced. He's better than this.pblakeney said:A question. If Remco isn't ill does that mean he is simply not GT GC material?
Teams may be thinking negotiation status. I think he is ill, again. Which is still cause.0 -
I guess if you’re Vingers, what’s worth more, Kuss forever loyal at the next Tours or a Vuelta on the palmares?0
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I think there is way stronger team unity and management than that at JV, nobody will be going rogue here (when is the last time you heard any stories about a JV rider going against team instructions). Kuss will win unless another team can force the pace enough to crack him. I can't see any team that looks remotely willing or able to force the pace enough to crack any of the trident, therefore Kuss has this.rick_chasey said:I guess if you’re Vingers, what’s worth more, Kuss forever loyal at the next Tours or a Vuelta on the palmares?
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Wout last year at the Tour one the early stage he won. He was supposed to wait for Jonas after his attack.super_davo said:
I think there is way stronger team unity and management than that at JV, nobody will be going rogue here (when is the last time you heard any stories about a JV rider going against team instructions). Kuss will win unless another team can force the pace enough to crack him. I can't see any team that looks remotely willing or able to force the pace enough to crack any of the trident, therefore Kuss has this.rick_chasey said:I guess if you’re Vingers, what’s worth more, Kuss forever loyal at the next Tours or a Vuelta on the palmares?
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He might be the exception but he isn't going for the overall win.0
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One of the first classics this year when van hoojidonk and benoot (I think) kept chasing each other."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0
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Truth is we don't know how Roglic and JV will feel about being told they cant race against Kuss. Yes no doubt they'd both like another Vuelta but they may well accept that in cycling riders sometimes have to sacrifice their chances for teammates.
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Surely they don't need to be told that they can't attack their own team mate in the leaders jersey?DeVlaeminck said:Truth is we don't know how Roglic and JV will feel about being told they cant race against Kuss. Yes no doubt they'd both like another Vuelta but they may well accept that in cycling riders sometimes have to sacrifice their chances for teammates.
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Looks like they can as long as nobody goes along.r0bh said:
Surely they don't need to be told that they can't attack their own team mate in the leaders jersey?DeVlaeminck said:Truth is we don't know how Roglic and JV will feel about being told they cant race against Kuss. Yes no doubt they'd both like another Vuelta but they may well accept that in cycling riders sometimes have to sacrifice their chances for teammates.
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There is a precedent. How did Argentin, Furlan and Berzin decide who would win La Flèche Wallonne in 1994?0
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The parallel that occurred to me was the 2009 TDF
Civil war in Astana as Bruyneel and Armstrong try to bully Contador into lying down, in an attempt to get the win for Armstrong and get Kloden onto the podium.
Contador gives zero effs and rides away“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
There was apparently a phone call from the sponsor when the three riders found themselves alone, saying victory had to go to Argentin. Berzin was by then anyway finished, having earlier worked so hard.DeadCalm said:There is a precedent. How did Argentin, Furlan and Berzin decide who would win La Flèche Wallonne in 1994?
I find the P-R three 1-2-3 wins of the late 90s (Mapei/Gewiss?) more intriguing (i.e. in the sense, re who should win).
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I doubt it needed a phonecall, Argentin would've told the other two he was winning.jimmyjams said:
There was apparently a phone call from the sponsor when the three riders found themselves alone, saying victory had to go to Argentin. Berzin was by then anyway finished, having earlier worked so hard.DeadCalm said:There is a precedent. How did Argentin, Furlan and Berzin decide who would win La Flèche Wallonne in 1994?
I find the P-R three 1-2-3 wins of the late 90s (Mapei/Gewiss?) more intriguing (i.e. in the sense, re who should win).0 -
I never did work out how the Astana master plan would have got Armstrong above Andy Schleck even if Contador had fallen on his sword, or Kloden above Franck Schleck and Wiggo, but there's probably a reason why Bruyneel was a very successful DS whilst I'm an accountant.tailwindhome said:The parallel that occurred to me was the 2009 TDF
Civil war in Astana as Bruyneel and Armstrong try to bully Contador into lying down, in an attempt to get the win for Armstrong and get Kloden onto the podium.
Contador gives zero effs and rides away0 -
Tbh being an ex pro who was very into doping and being able to connect new riders to the top doping doctors is fairly niche….wallace_and_gromit said:
I never did work out how the Astana master plan would have got Armstrong above Andy Schleck even if Contador had fallen on his sword, or Kloden above Franck Schleck and Wiggo, but there's probably a reason why Bruyneel was a very successful DS whilst I'm an accountant.tailwindhome said:The parallel that occurred to me was the 2009 TDF
Civil war in Astana as Bruyneel and Armstrong try to bully Contador into lying down, in an attempt to get the win for Armstrong and get Kloden onto the podium.
Contador gives zero effs and rides away0 -
presumably you can still practice and haven't been banned for life?wallace_and_gromit said:
I never did work out how the Astana master plan would have got Armstrong above Andy Schleck even if Contador had fallen on his sword, or Kloden above Franck Schleck and Wiggo, but there's probably a reason why Bruyneel was a very successful DS whilst I'm an accountant.tailwindhome said:The parallel that occurred to me was the 2009 TDF
Civil war in Astana as Bruyneel and Armstrong try to bully Contador into lying down, in an attempt to get the win for Armstrong and get Kloden onto the podium.
Contador gives zero effs and rides away0
