Glasgow Worlds 2023 *spoiler thread*

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  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,334
    Pross said:

    do it like F1 and have qualifying.

    This. One lap, staggered starts by thirty seconds or something. Nice little bonus for the spectators, little extra hosting cost. No argument about what's fair.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,341
    Crashes aside I think the favourites starting from the back makes for more interesting racing. Does anyone enjoy the F1 procession?
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    edited August 2023
    Trouble is that the world cups have the XCC for this. Hence TomPs rather ambivalent comments about his bronze medal...

    For UCI reasons they don't do that for the World Champs and so have rules based on world cup ranking points....until they don't
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    edited August 2023
    I think the objections of the regular riders is not the rule change, but the timing of it. It looks like favourable treatment for VDP and Pidcock - which it is. And possibly justified.

    It's a bit daft doing it purely on rankings. Pidcock, the Olympic champion and winner of one of the four World Cup races this year is only 61st. Which suggests the rankings are screwed.

    If you win a World Championship or Olympics - row 2 minimum for four years. Podium minimum for row four.
    If you win a World Cup race - minimum row four for four years.,

    This would put Pidcock on row 2, VDP on row four and Sagan at the back.

    Either that or just start everyone in a row in a big field next to the circuit.
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    ddraver said:

    MvdP & UCI Vs the rules is causing problems...



    Evie on board too... 🫢

    Edit: a lot of support across the board tbh. Think they've got a point tbf

    Can't read that on my phone, s'all blurry. I get the gist from the context, but who was it so I can got and look myself...
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/top-xc-racers-criticize-last-minute-uci-rule-change-around-elite-start-order.html

    Found it plus some more
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,655
    bobmcstuff said:

    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/top-xc-racers-criticize-last-minute-uci-rule-change-around-elite-start-order.html

    Found it plus some more

    Blimey, this is mad. How the hell can Sagan be up there as well?
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  • JimD666
    JimD666 Posts: 2,293
    bobmcstuff said:

    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/top-xc-racers-criticize-last-minute-uci-rule-change-around-elite-start-order.html

    Found it plus some more

    Jolanda Neff's point is the most telling to me. Only applying the rules for one of the races is iffy at best. Rotten to the core at worst.

    Then I remembered we're talking about the UCI and then it just becomes par for the course
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,601
    I'm not sure it's rotten, it's just unprofessional and ill thought out.
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  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,198
    The simple solution from next season is to implement something like the World Cup rules. So, Row 4/5 is for riders who are Top 10/20 in another discipline. I did see a suggestion about having to ride in x number of World Cups.....I think that came up years ago in CX when PFP appeared and won the Worlds after hardly riding all season.


    Change the rules after the season not one day before the biggest race of the year. People have planned their seasons racing, and gaining points to get gridding positions for this race, knowing the qualification system in place. Now it's changed....Really?

    And what is Sagan doing up there? No results in any major discipline for years.....A right UCI mess.
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  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,198
    ddraver said:

    MvdP & UCI Vs the rules is causing problems...



    Evie on board too... 🫢

    Edit: a lot of support across the board tbh. Think they've got a point tbf

    Somebody mentioned that Sam Gaze (another Alpecin rider) wasn't on the list of names. However, his other half tweeted a meme of Mourinho "I can't say anything.."
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    andyrac said:

    The simple solution from next season is to implement something like the World Cup rules. So, Row 4/5 is for riders who are Top 10/20 in another discipline. I did see a suggestion about having to ride in x number of World Cups.....I think that came up years ago in CX when PFP appeared and won the Worlds after hardly riding all season.


    Change the rules after the season not one day before the biggest race of the year. People have planned their seasons racing, and gaining points to get gridding positions for this race, knowing the qualification system in place. Now it's changed....Really?

    And what is Sagan doing up there? No results in any major discipline for years.....A right UCI mess.

    Sagan is going to go backwards I would suggest.

    Absolutely no chance of winning (although me saying that's probably given him some 😆)
  • neonriver
    neonriver Posts: 228
    Looks like they respect that Pidcock raced world cups to get his position (although I’m not sure why he’s gridded 33rd when he’s 19th in World Cup standings) could almost live with MVDP being seeded higher but don’t understand Sagan at all
  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,198
    neonriver said:

    Looks like they respect that Pidcock raced world cups to get his position (although I’m not sure why he’s gridded 33rd when he’s 19th in World Cup standings) could almost live with MVDP being seeded higher but don’t understand Sagan at all

    World Cup rankings don't matter; all on UCI ranking. Includes Top 10 CX, or Top 20 from Road....Sagan is in the 300s...Make sense of that.
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  • gweeds
    gweeds Posts: 2,613
    What baffles me is how they didn't think about this a few weeks or months ago and tell riders then. And Jeff is absolutely right. We can always rely on the UCI to fuck things up.
    Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.
  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,198
    edited August 2023
    The rain has started; could make things interesting....skills come to the fore in slippery conditions - Neff territory.
    However, PFP looks to be in her Worlds form, which is ominous for the others - climbing almost effortlessly. Evie wanted the rain and I think she can get a medal....

    As for the men's, if the rain continues, then it might not suit Nino who is supposed to dislike it. However, Carod does, and won in Monte Saint-Anne last season.


    One thing to mention is that MTB Worlds can sometimes throw up a surprise winner; recently, Courtney in 2018, Sarrou in 2020 & Richards in 2021 - all won the Worlds before winning a World Cup.
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  • gweeds
    gweeds Posts: 2,613
    PFP is on it today. Absolutely flying.
    Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.
  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,198
    A different PFP to the one last seen in Val di Sole 6 weeks ago......She knows how to target this race - the others are prep/ bonus.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    PFPower

    Battle for third is the most interesting race.
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    Something terminator like about PFP standing climbing...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • neonriver
    neonriver Posts: 228
    U23 road race is a crashfest even before the circuits
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    Allez les Bleus

    France 1,2 and puck picks Mona's pocket right at the last for third.

    Brave ride by Evie but she's lacked the last few percent all season unfortunately. Next time!
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,438
    edited August 2023
    Very wet for the Men's U23 race now

    Edit: and now the sun is out again
  • gweeds
    gweeds Posts: 2,613
    This circuit is a joke for the World's. So many crashes on these surfaces.
    Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,341
    U23s, is there anyone who hasn't had an off?
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Just put on the U23 race

    3 crashes in c5mins.

    Rafferty (🇮🇪) down on the pedestrianised section. Peloton follow him to the deck

    Route looks deadly today
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  • neonriver
    neonriver Posts: 228
    gweeds said:

    This circuit is a joke for the World's. So many crashes on these surfaces.

    You’d have a point if there hadn’t been at least half a dozen crashes before they even hit the circuit
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,726
    Crashes just about on every other corner.
    Lucky with the weather last week….
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  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,198
    PFP is the best at hitting form for Worlds; if you want to beat/ compete with her you'd almost have to sacrifice the early season...

    Schurter does it completely different; races for the win everywhere all season and can win World Cups, Overalls & World champs.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    The Italian rider in the chase group in the U23 race is really annoying. Refusing to do a turn but following anything the others try. Hope the Slovakian guy wins out of that group as he’s the only one who has tried to pull the French rider back.

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