TDF 2023: Stage 13:- Châtillon-Sur-Chalaronne to Grand Colombier, 138km ***Spoilers***
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Jonas said on DK TV they'd been given the day off to be fresh for tomorrow, though that's posssibly just spinPross said:
Maybe they thought Jumbo had wasted a lot of energy in the last few days so decided to keep it quite hard (although the break holding them off suggests it wasn't that hard a pace).andyp said:For all the talk of UAE's tactics, they isolated Vingegaard very early and left him totally reliant on Kuss from a long way out. It didn't matter today, but psychologically, that has to be a blow to Jumbo-Visma.
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I still don't really get chasing down Yates. I can't believe they weren't all "sure, go away up the road and take the bonus seconds, we'll just be chilling back here and let your leader do the work, yeah?"1
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Feels like a stretch 'ride your nads off on a couple of transition stages killing yourselves to try to get into meaningless breaks but take the day off on one of the main MTFs'.No_Ta_Doctor said:
Jonas said on DK TV they'd been given the day off to be fresh for tomorrow, though that's posssibly just spinPross said:
Maybe they thought Jumbo had wasted a lot of energy in the last few days so decided to keep it quite hard (although the break holding them off suggests it wasn't that hard a pace).andyp said:For all the talk of UAE's tactics, they isolated Vingegaard very early and left him totally reliant on Kuss from a long way out. It didn't matter today, but psychologically, that has to be a blow to Jumbo-Visma.
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But with a small gap, if Pog had jumped over with that initial burst, Yates could have towed him while Kuss/Vingegaard were trying to close.Lanterne_Rogue said:I still don't really get chasing down Yates. I can't believe they weren't all "sure, go away up the road and take the bonus seconds, we'll just be chilling back here and let your leader do the work, yeah?"
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It didn't look like spin to me.No_Ta_Doctor said:
Jonas said on DK TV they'd been given the day off to be fresh for tomorrow, though that's posssibly just spinPross said:
Maybe they thought Jumbo had wasted a lot of energy in the last few days so decided to keep it quite hard (although the break holding them off suggests it wasn't that hard a pace).andyp said:For all the talk of UAE's tactics, they isolated Vingegaard very early and left him totally reliant on Kuss from a long way out. It didn't matter today, but psychologically, that has to be a blow to Jumbo-Visma.
WVA and half the team toodled in just behind one of the laughing groups. Obviously saving themselves for the weekend.
The Breakaway lot seem obsessed with energy and how teams waste it or save it.
UAE were in their sights after today's stage. Yesterday it was Jumbo.
Not sure what the expect them to do as they are not allowed to ride team buses to stage finishes!
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The JV roster is mainly classics riders. Apart from Kuss they don't have any real mountain domestiques.No_Ta_Doctor said:
Jonas said on DK TV they'd been given the day off to be fresh for tomorrow, though that's posssibly just spinPross said:
Maybe they thought Jumbo had wasted a lot of energy in the last few days so decided to keep it quite hard (although the break holding them off suggests it wasn't that hard a pace).andyp said:For all the talk of UAE's tactics, they isolated Vingegaard very early and left him totally reliant on Kuss from a long way out. It didn't matter today, but psychologically, that has to be a blow to Jumbo-Visma.
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Kuss and Keldermanphreak said:
The JV roster is mainly classics riders. Apart from Kuss they don't have any real mountain domestiques.No_Ta_Doctor said:
Jonas said on DK TV they'd been given the day off to be fresh for tomorrow, though that's posssibly just spinPross said:
Maybe they thought Jumbo had wasted a lot of energy in the last few days so decided to keep it quite hard (although the break holding them off suggests it wasn't that hard a pace).andyp said:For all the talk of UAE's tactics, they isolated Vingegaard very early and left him totally reliant on Kuss from a long way out. It didn't matter today, but psychologically, that has to be a blow to Jumbo-Visma.
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is Yates really capable of towing Pogacar on the charge though? If Tadej goes in the last 2km he's not going to sit on Yates' wheel waiting to see if JV can close it back down, it's an all-in job.No_Ta_Doctor said:
But with a small gap, if Pog had jumped over with that initial burst, Yates could have towed him while Kuss/Vingegaard were trying to close.Lanterne_Rogue said:I still don't really get chasing down Yates. I can't believe they weren't all "sure, go away up the road and take the bonus seconds, we'll just be chilling back here and let your leader do the work, yeah?"
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I reckon so - they were playing for seconds here, so it all counts. Only needs maybe 10-15 seconds full effort to pull a couple more seconds out while saving Pog a handful of watts.Lanterne_Rogue said:
is Yates really capable of towing Pogacar on the charge though? If Tadej goes in the last 2km he's not going to sit on Yates' wheel waiting to see if JV can close it back down, it's an all-in job.No_Ta_Doctor said:
But with a small gap, if Pog had jumped over with that initial burst, Yates could have towed him while Kuss/Vingegaard were trying to close.Lanterne_Rogue said:I still don't really get chasing down Yates. I can't believe they weren't all "sure, go away up the road and take the bonus seconds, we'll just be chilling back here and let your leader do the work, yeah?"
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We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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That is the impression that I have too.blazing_saddles said:
It didn't look like spin to me.No_Ta_Doctor said:
Jonas said on DK TV they'd been given the day off to be fresh for tomorrow, though that's posssibly just spinPross said:
Maybe they thought Jumbo had wasted a lot of energy in the last few days so decided to keep it quite hard (although the break holding them off suggests it wasn't that hard a pace).andyp said:For all the talk of UAE's tactics, they isolated Vingegaard very early and left him totally reliant on Kuss from a long way out. It didn't matter today, but psychologically, that has to be a blow to Jumbo-Visma.
WVA and half the team toodled in just behind one of the laughing groups. Obviously saving themselves for the weekend.
The Breakaway lot seem obsessed with energy and how teams waste it or save it.
UAE were in their sights after today's stage. Yesterday it was Jumbo.
Not sure what the expect them to do as they are not allowed to ride team buses to stage finishes!
Will be a tough day tomorrow for anyone feeling it today.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I was glued to itrick_chasey said:Snooze stage alas.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm3 -
It didn’t get ‘a stage for the ages’ or even ‘One of the all time great Tour stages’ status so wasn’t that good.mididoctors said:
I was glued to itrick_chasey said:Snooze stage alas.
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I think he lost 18 minutes to Froome that day, if memory serves me.shirley_basso said:Didn't yates do a giro (the one froome did a 'landis') a bit like this - lots of small attacks, got loads of time, then completely faded at the end
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Rodriguez honouring the Zubeldia invisible jersey1
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All credit to @Lanterne_Rogue 's thread for making me notice this but it brings home quite how severe Peter Sagan has suffered from Covid seeing, arguably, his greatest lifetime sparring partner at the front of the race while he limps in with a domestique pretty much at the back...
(I only don't write this in the thread because it kinda kills the vibe)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I don't think just one stage tells the story, but Sagan genuinely doesn't seem himself.
That said, I think he suffers from the same problem as Cavendish did, and that Wout will soon - very few people have ever performed at that level, so it's hardly a surprise if those people who did can't keep it up over more than a few years. It's extraordinary that they ever did, really.2 -
Agreed, great ending to the stage, plenty of action, and waiting for the attack.mididoctors said:
I was glued to itrick_chasey said:Snooze stage alas.
Delighted to see Kwiato get the win
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It was fascinating. Never seen a tour like thisPross said:
It didn’t get ‘a stage for the ages’ or even ‘One of the all time great Tour stages’ status so wasn’t that good.mididoctors said:
I was glued to itrick_chasey said:Snooze stage alas.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm2 -
The break was good. Won by the person who paced it best. But the GC race lasted 400m.mididoctors said:
It was fascinating. Never seen a tour like thisPross said:
It didn’t get ‘a stage for the ages’ or even ‘One of the all time great Tour stages’ status so wasn’t that good.mididoctors said:
I was glued to itrick_chasey said:Snooze stage alas.
The Slovenians have reduced stage racing to post flamme rouge sprints, bonus seconds and time trials. Pog is using Rog's template, ironically using Jumbo's tactics against them. At least it keeps it tight. It's not the shock and awe tactics of Contador and Froome.Twitter: @RichN951 -
Pog is closing in on Jonas like its zenos paradox ...halfing the time gap every attack but never getting there"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm3
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The GC race was kinda meta .."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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From what I've heard it's not purely physical with Sagan. The divorce among some other things have also taken their toll - understandably. It's a huge shame, because he hasn't seemed like himself for years now. He is a shadow of the rider he used to be.Lanterne_Rogue said:I don't think just one stage tells the story, but Sagan genuinely doesn't seem himself.
That said, I think he suffers from the same problem as Cavendish did, and that Wout will soon - very few people have ever performed at that level, so it's hardly a surprise if those people who did can't keep it up over more than a few years. It's extraordinary that they ever did, really.PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20231 -
It seems like Vingergaard is using Roglic giro 23 tactics. Saving energy and aiming for 1 big stage.RichN95. said:
The break was good. Won by the person who paced it best. But the GC race lasted 400m.mididoctors said:
It was fascinating. Never seen a tour like thisPross said:
It didn’t get ‘a stage for the ages’ or even ‘One of the all time great Tour stages’ status so wasn’t that good.mididoctors said:
I was glued to itrick_chasey said:Snooze stage alas.
The Slovenians have reduced stage racing to post flamme rouge sprints, bonus seconds and time trials. Pog is using Rog's template, ironically using Jumbo's tactics against them. At least it keeps it tight. It's not the shock and awe tactics of Contador and Froome."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
In public tweets like that ....not sure that's a good look for anybody ."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Heulot abandoned the tour in yellow on the road to Les arcs in 96 ( what a stage that was ) ...brave ride his knee was knackered ...no one slagged him off"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
