2023 Transfer rumours and confirmed moves

RichN95.

For an up and coming GC rider, Ineos is the place to be right now. No clear leader and clouds over all the candidates. I doubt he’ll leave. The UK riders have agents who have watched football agents and use the media.

Also when are we going stop saying that Jumob Visma are a mid budget team. They are probably the biggest spenders out there.

daniel_b

RichN95. said:

Also when are we going stop saying that Jumob Visma are a mid budget team. They are probably the biggest spenders out there.

Not sure anyone who follows the sport still thinks that do they, not seen any comments to that effect in recent months/years.
They have made some notable signings, two from Ineos, and nabbed Gloag as well who was mooted to be heading there.

Personally I've thought of them as having equal financial clout to Ineos for at least 3 years, and probably being the biggest budget team out there 1.5-2 years ago.

super_davo

daniel_b said:

RichN95. said:

Also when are we going stop saying that Jumob Visma are a mid budget team. They are probably the biggest spenders out there.

Not sure anyone who follows the sport still thinks that do they, not seen any comments to that effect in recent months/years.
They have made some notable signings, two from Ineos, and nabbed Gloag as well who was mooted to be heading there.

Personally I've thought of them as having equal financial clout to Ineos for at least 3 years, and probably being the biggest budget team out there 1.5-2 years ago.

But is their budget going to take a hit from Jumbo pulling out?
One thing Ineos did very well was succession planning for sponsors, the move to Ineos from Sky was swift and seamless with no hit to budget.

andyp

super_davo said:

daniel_b said:

RichN95. said:

Also when are we going stop saying that Jumob Visma are a mid budget team. They are probably the biggest spenders out there.

Not sure anyone who follows the sport still thinks that do they, not seen any comments to that effect in recent months/years.
They have made some notable signings, two from Ineos, and nabbed Gloag as well who was mooted to be heading there.

Personally I've thought of them as having equal financial clout to Ineos for at least 3 years, and probably being the biggest budget team out there 1.5-2 years ago.

But is their budget going to take a hit from Jumbo pulling out?
One thing Ineos did very well was succession planning for sponsors, the move to Ineos from Sky was swift and seamless with no hit to budget.

They've done it once, at a time when they were easily the most successful team and could guarantee a sponsor a Tour win. If Ineos were to pull out at the end of the season, I think you'd see a very different outcome.

kingstongraham

This is great stuff.

https://twitter.com/JumboVismaRoad/status/1671424110633578500?t=CeDEGJGbX_5NLx1AAJ4jtQ&s=19

daniel_b

Noises getting louder about Tulett signing for JV, would appear to be a done deal.

r0bh

Some people on Twitter saying TGH to Lidl-Trek is a done deal

andyp

r0bh said:

Some people on Twitter saying TGH to Lidl-Trek is a done deal

Link to it then. Daniel Benson is a credible source, ex-VeloNews and now working for GCN.

https://twitter.com/dnlbenson/status/1671823018434220032?s=46&t=2PATd_OtsVdKlFqH4sTWPQ

daniel_b

That would be one of their strongest riders gone, and one who could be a potential future star rider.

That's quite the shakeup if so - I wonder if that might mean a cut in budget, so them becoming even more midfield, or if they are shaping up for signing a current GC contender to pin their hopes upon.

I hope the latter, as I'd like to see some more challengers to JV and UAE ideally.

Pross

That really feels like an odd move (unless he has been told Remco is moving).

andyp

Pross said:

That really feels like an odd move (unless he has been told Remco is moving).

Why? He's always played second fiddle (at best) at Ineos, so moving to a team where he's going to be the clear GC leader makes a lot of sense.

daniel_b

As it stands though, with Bernal not performing, and GT coming into the twilight of his career, he would have been the sole logical GC hope to my mind.
Well unless one of the youngsters has a real breakthrough season.

There's an argument to say he came into the Giro in better form that GT, and had he not crashed, I suspect between them they could have hustled Rog and taken the win for one of them.

Having said all that, perhaps he fancies a change, and maybe Ineos are only offering a year or two, and he wants more stability, and potentially even a bigger salary.
Maybe Trek have sold it to him as building a team around him, and committing to a long term plan.

roscoe

I thought TGH was getting lined up for Quick Step?

Pross

andyp said:

Pross said:

That really feels like an odd move (unless he has been told Remco is moving).

Why? He's always played second fiddle (at best) at Ineos, so moving to a team where he's going to be the clear GC leader makes a lot of sense.

Getting my Lidl-Trek and Soudal QS mixed up again as I have done numerous times this season for some reason! That said, I think he is currently (subject to injury recovery) the best hope for Ineos and would have thought the management there would have said to him he's their main man.

roscoe

Yeah, I’ll be surprised if he leaves but they must have something up their sleeve if he is allowed to go.

takethehighroad

andyp said:

Pross said:

That really feels like an odd move (unless he has been told Remco is moving).

Why? He's always played second fiddle (at best) at Ineos, so moving to a team where he's going to be the clear GC leader makes a lot of sense.

He had the number 1 dossard at the Giro, for what it's worth

andyp

takethehighroad said:

andyp said:

Pross said:

That really feels like an odd move (unless he has been told Remco is moving).

Why? He's always played second fiddle (at best) at Ineos, so moving to a team where he's going to be the clear GC leader makes a lot of sense.

He had the number 1 dossard at the Giro, for what it's worth

He is a previous winner. I imagine RCS insisted he had it.

gsk82

roscoe said:

Yeah, I’ll be surprised if he leaves but they must have something up their sleeve if he is allowed to go.

I don't understand what's going on there. They have no direction and are struggling to hold on to the decent riders they have. Are they missing full time Dave B?

N0bodyOfTheGoat

I suspect the problem at Ineos is something along the lines of TGH etc. looking at Pog's and Vin's backup and then looking at what Ineos offer now, compared to when Froome was dominating.

carbonclem

Maybe Ineos aren’t confident of a full recovery?
They dodged a bullet with Froome but Bernal hasn’t played out well for them.

phreak

N0bodyOfTheGoat said:

I suspect the problem at Ineos is something along the lines of TGH etc. looking at Pog's and Vin's backup and then looking at what Ineos offer now, compared to when Froome was dominating.

Not sure that's the case tbh. The JV Tour lineup is heavily stacked with classics specialists, and they'll be relying on Kuss to provide most of the mountain support. As the Giro showed, Ineos have plenty of riders who could top 10 in a GT, which has traditionally been the pool super mountain domestiques have been pulled from. What they lack is someone who can be on the level of Pogacar or Vingegaard.

I mean TGH could have had his best possible race and I doubt he'd have gotten much closer to those two than Thomas did last year, and that's not down to the respective support on offer but rather when those two went, Thomas was usually the last person to get dropped on a consistent basis.

roscoe

phreak said:

N0bodyOfTheGoat said:

I suspect the problem at Ineos is something along the lines of TGH etc. looking at Pog's and Vin's backup and then looking at what Ineos offer now, compared to when Froome was dominating.

Not sure that's the case tbh. The JV Tour lineup is heavily stacked with classics specialists, and they'll be relying on Kuss to provide most of the mountain support. As the Giro showed, Ineos have plenty of riders who could top 10 in a GT, which has traditionally been the pool super mountain domestiques have been pulled from. What they lack is someone who can be on the level of Pogacar or Vingegaard.

I mean TGH could have had his best possible race and I doubt he'd have gotten much closer to those two than Thomas did last year, and that's not down to the respective support on offer but rather when those two went, Thomas was usually the last person to get dropped on a consistent basis.

This is what makes letting TGH go even stranger. Other than G, who is coming to the end of his career, TGH is arguably their best GC contender. Are they really going to be happy waiting on one of their young hopefuls to make the grade in a few years and be content with not winning Grand Tours? £50m a year budget says not.

Unless Arensman or Rodriguez make a GT podium in the near future, they really are going to have spend big to get a Remco or an Ayuso.

r0bh

How do you know Ineos are "letting him go"? They may have made him a contract extension offer, but another team might have offered him more. Who knows?

roscoe

Very true. If that was the case then they obviously didn’t feel he was worth more and let him go.

kingstongraham

Maybe he wants to go to a team where he'll be the first choice for the TdF (that's assuming Lopez and/or Skjelmose don't leapfrog him).

kingstongraham

With Jonathan Milan likely to Lidl-Trek as well, looks like they are shaping up to have a really good squad across the board next year.

daniel_b

Jakobsen to DSM apparently.

roscoe

daniel_b said:

Jakobsen to DSM apparently.

Interesting. Does this mean they are actually going all in for GC?

gsk82

roscoe said:

daniel_b said:

Jakobsen to DSM apparently.

Interesting. Does this mean they are actually going all in for GC?

It's the obvious way to go. They could dominate the vuelta for the next 1 to 2 years!

takethehighroad

There's a sprinters carousel. With Jacobsen moving to DSM, Welsford is going to Bora and Bennett is going to destination unknown