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Most are likely to be going suburb to suburb, so you still need to get into and out of town at either end.surrey_commuter said:
I was assuming Rick was starting from London. City centre to city centre must take longer on the planePross said:
I looked into this when I went from South Wales to Edinburgh last year. Even driving to Bristol and allowing for the ridiculous recommended security / check in times and then the transfer from Edinburgh airport to the city it was far quicker (over 6 hours by train) and also considerably cheaper. The fact it is so much cheaper is ridiculous.surrey_commuter said:
really? surely there is no time savings unless you are based at the airportsrick_chasey said:
London <> Edinburgh, for sure.TheBigBean said:
Who flies in the UK as a preference to the train?rick_chasey said:You lot are quick to chastise people for flying, but people do that because it's a lot faster and convenient than taking the train.
So don't then go all nimby and demand that fast rail travel is not the answer.
It almost certainly is part of the answer.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Depends how busy you are, right?TheBigBean said:
Prefer the train on that route. Any further and I would fly, but that means the vast majority of journeys are covered by trains.rick_chasey said:
London <> Edinburgh, for sure.TheBigBean said:
Who flies in the UK as a preference to the train?rick_chasey said:You lot are quick to chastise people for flying, but people do that because it's a lot faster and convenient than taking the train.
So don't then go all nimby and demand that fast rail travel is not the answer.
It almost certainly is part of the answer.
If I'm in for a 10am meeting I'm gonna fly out that morning, I'm probably not gonna get the train up.0 -
My company has a couple of clients in Scotland and pre covid I and others frequently had to visit (used to be at least 3 times a month).
Everyone flies, as do several other companies local to us with similar set ups. You see the same people on the flights week in week out. Quicker, cheaper, set ups are designed to get you there on time for 10am meetings (and home for dinner on the day you come back).
One time I needed to visit with someone who was scared of flying so she caught the train but she had to go up the day before, and as a company we weren't geared up to help her so well with airport shuttle services etc. so the whole process was miles more of a ball ache.. She didn't volunteer to go again.
Covid has massively reduced these trips because we've all had to get much better at video conferencing. The whole time I was doing it I was thinking this is nuts from an environmental point of view, but on the other hand, got bill to pay....0 -
I'm unlikely to agree to a 10am meeting in Edinburgh, but to make it I would probably need to leave at 4.30am for a flight. Obviously depends on starting point and airport.rick_chasey said:
Depends how busy you are, right?TheBigBean said:
Prefer the train on that route. Any further and I would fly, but that means the vast majority of journeys are covered by trains.rick_chasey said:
London <> Edinburgh, for sure.TheBigBean said:
Who flies in the UK as a preference to the train?rick_chasey said:You lot are quick to chastise people for flying, but people do that because it's a lot faster and convenient than taking the train.
So don't then go all nimby and demand that fast rail travel is not the answer.
It almost certainly is part of the answer.
If I'm in for a 10am meeting I'm gonna fly out that morning, I'm probably not gonna get the train up.
Alternatively, I could sleep on the train leaving at 23.45 or leave at 5am and be slightly late. The total time is about the same in my experience.
The big difference being that four hours on a train is a lot more comfortable than the faff of flying, but flying is often cheaper.0 -
Birmingham - Aberdeen when Flybe was a thing, regular monthly visits to father when he reached care home status. 1 hour to BHX, 1 hour wait, 1 hour flight, 20 mins far end vs min 8 hours driving and if the M6 was doing its normal, 'kin ages.TheBigBean said:
Who flies in the UK as a preference to the train?rick_chasey said:You lot are quick to chastise people for flying, but people do that because it's a lot faster and convenient than taking the train.
So don't then go all nimby and demand that fast rail travel is not the answer.
It almost certainly is part of the answer.
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City to Aberdeen is much more preferable to driving / trains, and very quick.0
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I miss my Exeter-Paris flights... 20 mins cycle to the airport, 5 mins max for security. Kind of surprised no-one's yet replaced Flybe, as Bristol is a PITA in comparison for the SW peninsula.0
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Penzance Shetland is better by plane than swimming.0
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I used Google Maps once to plan a trip to the NW of Scotland. Took me to Liverpool and through Ireland! I am skeptical of AI. 🤣TheBigBean said:Penzance Shetland is better by plane than swimming.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It didn't make enough money, end of. I've spent a lot of time at Exeter Airport and it's never seemed busy, just holiday routes in the summer and particular routes within the UK. The Edinburgh flight always still seems busy. So busy in fact that Loganair routinely have to delay it a couple of hours to squeeze everyone on.briantrumpet said:I miss my Exeter-Paris flights... 20 mins cycle to the airport, 5 mins max for security. Kind of surprised no-one's yet replaced Flybe, as Bristol is a PITA in comparison for the SW peninsula.
And tbh it really ought to be easier to get to Paris by train.0 -
First.Aspect said:
It didn't make enough money, end of. I've spent a lot of time at Exeter Airport and it's never seemed busy, just holiday routes in the summer and particular routes within the UK. The Edinburgh flight always still seems busy. So busy in fact that Loganair routinely have to delay it a couple of hours to squeeze everyone on.briantrumpet said:I miss my Exeter-Paris flights... 20 mins cycle to the airport, 5 mins max for security. Kind of surprised no-one's yet replaced Flybe, as Bristol is a PITA in comparison for the SW peninsula.
And tbh it really ought to be easier to get to Paris by train.
All true, though the Exeter-Paris flights were always full/busy (albeit with fewer than 100 seats in the Dash-8). Exeter Airport reminds me of Bristol Airport in the 70's. Ryanair and Tui both do flights from here at the mo, but I know it's unlikely it'll ever be competition for Bristol. (Incidentally, in the 70's/80's, Cardiff seemed to be winning the battle to be the more important airport.)
Yes, it ought to be easier by train, but it's much more expensive training to and from London etc & Eurostarring, plus hacking across London to get there. The 'lovely' thing about CdG is having the TGV station in the bowels of the airport, so I can be on the station platform in about 20 minutes of the plane doors opening. I can do a return trip to Paris for about £60 by Easyjet, and that'd be £200 or more by train.0 -
I'm not sure handing back £1.9 billion (a third of the housing budget) is a good way for the Government to help solve the housing crisis. Struggling to find schemes to spend it on apparently - anyone would think the planning system has become too difficult or something.
https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/jul/12/gove-department-hands-back-19bn-meant-tackle-england-housing-crisis0 -
From the SW you'd have to train it to Waterloo / Paddington, then across town to Kings Cross, then Eurostar it to Paris.First.Aspect said:
It didn't make enough money, end of. I've spent a lot of time at Exeter Airport and it's never seemed busy, just holiday routes in the summer and particular routes within the UK. The Edinburgh flight always still seems busy. So busy in fact that Loganair routinely have to delay it a couple of hours to squeeze everyone on.briantrumpet said:I miss my Exeter-Paris flights... 20 mins cycle to the airport, 5 mins max for security. Kind of surprised no-one's yet replaced Flybe, as Bristol is a PITA in comparison for the SW peninsula.
And tbh it really ought to be easier to get to Paris by train.
That's a tonne more hassle than flying from Exe, BRS, BOH or SOU
Rail works if your are in or around London.
Travelling cross country without going via London is a mare by rail and will probably involve mutiple changes of train.
I guess that's the same issue the northern cities have, they are not connected well by rail.0 -
Exactly so. Though if going south I'd Eurostar it to Lille to cut out the cross-Paris faff.Dorset_Boy said:
From the SW you'd have to train it to Waterloo / Paddington, then across town to Kings Cross, then Eurostar it to Paris.First.Aspect said:
It didn't make enough money, end of. I've spent a lot of time at Exeter Airport and it's never seemed busy, just holiday routes in the summer and particular routes within the UK. The Edinburgh flight always still seems busy. So busy in fact that Loganair routinely have to delay it a couple of hours to squeeze everyone on.briantrumpet said:I miss my Exeter-Paris flights... 20 mins cycle to the airport, 5 mins max for security. Kind of surprised no-one's yet replaced Flybe, as Bristol is a PITA in comparison for the SW peninsula.
And tbh it really ought to be easier to get to Paris by train.
That's a tonne more hassle than flying from Exe, BRS, BOH or SOU
Rail works if your are in or around London.
Travelling cross country without going via London is a mare by rail and will probably involve mutiple changes of train.
I guess that's the same issue the northern cities have, they are not connected well by rail.
In the days of Exeter-Charles de Gaule, I could get to Valence TGV in two legs (Bristol now makes it three), whereas by train it would be five legs (via Lille), and all the extra time (about double), extra cost (probably more than double now) and extra opportunities for missed connections.0 -
Well yes, that's why I said ought.Dorset_Boy said:
From the SW you'd have to train it to Waterloo / Paddington, then across town to Kings Cross, then Eurostar it to Paris.First.Aspect said:
It didn't make enough money, end of. I've spent a lot of time at Exeter Airport and it's never seemed busy, just holiday routes in the summer and particular routes within the UK. The Edinburgh flight always still seems busy. So busy in fact that Loganair routinely have to delay it a couple of hours to squeeze everyone on.briantrumpet said:I miss my Exeter-Paris flights... 20 mins cycle to the airport, 5 mins max for security. Kind of surprised no-one's yet replaced Flybe, as Bristol is a PITA in comparison for the SW peninsula.
And tbh it really ought to be easier to get to Paris by train.
That's a tonne more hassle than flying from Exe, BRS, BOH or SOU
Rail works if your are in or around London.
Travelling cross country without going via London is a mare by rail and will probably involve mutiple changes of train.
I guess that's the same issue the northern cities have, they are not connected well by rail.0 -
First.Aspect said:
Well yes, that's why I said ought.Dorset_Boy said:
From the SW you'd have to train it to Waterloo / Paddington, then across town to Kings Cross, then Eurostar it to Paris.First.Aspect said:
It didn't make enough money, end of. I've spent a lot of time at Exeter Airport and it's never seemed busy, just holiday routes in the summer and particular routes within the UK. The Edinburgh flight always still seems busy. So busy in fact that Loganair routinely have to delay it a couple of hours to squeeze everyone on.briantrumpet said:I miss my Exeter-Paris flights... 20 mins cycle to the airport, 5 mins max for security. Kind of surprised no-one's yet replaced Flybe, as Bristol is a PITA in comparison for the SW peninsula.
And tbh it really ought to be easier to get to Paris by train.
That's a tonne more hassle than flying from Exe, BRS, BOH or SOU
Rail works if your are in or around London.
Travelling cross country without going via London is a mare by rail and will probably involve mutiple changes of train.
I guess that's the same issue the northern cities have, they are not connected well by rail.
The SW will never get better connections to London. Well, certainly not before the north and its much bigger population, and I can't see that happening in my lifetime, such is the chaos of HS2. No-one's going to announce a big infrastructure programme for decades after that. They can't even get round to completing the dual-carriagewaying of the A303, and that's been 'on the cards' for decades.0 -
Well you received the best piece of transport engineering of the industrial revolution (the GWR). What more do you want?briantrumpet said:First.Aspect said:
Well yes, that's why I said ought.Dorset_Boy said:
From the SW you'd have to train it to Waterloo / Paddington, then across town to Kings Cross, then Eurostar it to Paris.First.Aspect said:
It didn't make enough money, end of. I've spent a lot of time at Exeter Airport and it's never seemed busy, just holiday routes in the summer and particular routes within the UK. The Edinburgh flight always still seems busy. So busy in fact that Loganair routinely have to delay it a couple of hours to squeeze everyone on.briantrumpet said:I miss my Exeter-Paris flights... 20 mins cycle to the airport, 5 mins max for security. Kind of surprised no-one's yet replaced Flybe, as Bristol is a PITA in comparison for the SW peninsula.
And tbh it really ought to be easier to get to Paris by train.
That's a tonne more hassle than flying from Exe, BRS, BOH or SOU
Rail works if your are in or around London.
Travelling cross country without going via London is a mare by rail and will probably involve mutiple changes of train.
I guess that's the same issue the northern cities have, they are not connected well by rail.
The SW will never get better connections to London. Well, certainly not before the north and its much bigger population, and I can't see that happening in my lifetime, such is the chaos of HS2. No-one's going to announce a big infrastructure programme for decades after that. They can't even get round to completing the dual-carriagewaying of the A303, and that's been 'on the cards' for decades.0 -
First.Aspect said:
Well you received the best piece of transport engineering of the industrial revolution (the GWR). What more do you want?briantrumpet said:First.Aspect said:
Well yes, that's why I said ought.Dorset_Boy said:
From the SW you'd have to train it to Waterloo / Paddington, then across town to Kings Cross, then Eurostar it to Paris.First.Aspect said:
It didn't make enough money, end of. I've spent a lot of time at Exeter Airport and it's never seemed busy, just holiday routes in the summer and particular routes within the UK. The Edinburgh flight always still seems busy. So busy in fact that Loganair routinely have to delay it a couple of hours to squeeze everyone on.briantrumpet said:I miss my Exeter-Paris flights... 20 mins cycle to the airport, 5 mins max for security. Kind of surprised no-one's yet replaced Flybe, as Bristol is a PITA in comparison for the SW peninsula.
And tbh it really ought to be easier to get to Paris by train.
That's a tonne more hassle than flying from Exe, BRS, BOH or SOU
Rail works if your are in or around London.
Travelling cross country without going via London is a mare by rail and will probably involve mutiple changes of train.
I guess that's the same issue the northern cities have, they are not connected well by rail.
The SW will never get better connections to London. Well, certainly not before the north and its much bigger population, and I can't see that happening in my lifetime, such is the chaos of HS2. No-one's going to announce a big infrastructure programme for decades after that. They can't even get round to completing the dual-carriagewaying of the A303, and that's been 'on the cards' for decades.
I was forgetting we got canals too. Silly me.0 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-66201424briantrumpet said:First.Aspect said:
Well yes, that's why I said ought.Dorset_Boy said:
From the SW you'd have to train it to Waterloo / Paddington, then across town to Kings Cross, then Eurostar it to Paris.First.Aspect said:
It didn't make enough money, end of. I've spent a lot of time at Exeter Airport and it's never seemed busy, just holiday routes in the summer and particular routes within the UK. The Edinburgh flight always still seems busy. So busy in fact that Loganair routinely have to delay it a couple of hours to squeeze everyone on.briantrumpet said:I miss my Exeter-Paris flights... 20 mins cycle to the airport, 5 mins max for security. Kind of surprised no-one's yet replaced Flybe, as Bristol is a PITA in comparison for the SW peninsula.
And tbh it really ought to be easier to get to Paris by train.
That's a tonne more hassle than flying from Exe, BRS, BOH or SOU
Rail works if your are in or around London.
Travelling cross country without going via London is a mare by rail and will probably involve mutiple changes of train.
I guess that's the same issue the northern cities have, they are not connected well by rail.
The SW will never get better connections to London. Well, certainly not before the north and its much bigger population, and I can't see that happening in my lifetime, such is the chaos of HS2. No-one's going to announce a big infrastructure programme for decades after that. They can't even get round to completing the dual-carriagewaying of the A303, and that's been 'on the cards' for decades.0 -
Tashman said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-66201424briantrumpet said:First.Aspect said:
Well yes, that's why I said ought.Dorset_Boy said:
From the SW you'd have to train it to Waterloo / Paddington, then across town to Kings Cross, then Eurostar it to Paris.First.Aspect said:
It didn't make enough money, end of. I've spent a lot of time at Exeter Airport and it's never seemed busy, just holiday routes in the summer and particular routes within the UK. The Edinburgh flight always still seems busy. So busy in fact that Loganair routinely have to delay it a couple of hours to squeeze everyone on.briantrumpet said:I miss my Exeter-Paris flights... 20 mins cycle to the airport, 5 mins max for security. Kind of surprised no-one's yet replaced Flybe, as Bristol is a PITA in comparison for the SW peninsula.
And tbh it really ought to be easier to get to Paris by train.
That's a tonne more hassle than flying from Exe, BRS, BOH or SOU
Rail works if your are in or around London.
Travelling cross country without going via London is a mare by rail and will probably involve mutiple changes of train.
I guess that's the same issue the northern cities have, they are not connected well by rail.
The SW will never get better connections to London. Well, certainly not before the north and its much bigger population, and I can't see that happening in my lifetime, such is the chaos of HS2. No-one's going to announce a big infrastructure programme for decades after that. They can't even get round to completing the dual-carriagewaying of the A303, and that's been 'on the cards' for decades.
That's a start. Next, the Blackdown Hills...0 -
You have the M5/M4 and two railway lines to London. The former gets you to London in just under 4hrs, the latter 3.5hrs. Going via Bristol only adds 25miles over the slower A303. That's why it hasn't been upgraded.briantrumpet said:First.Aspect said:
Well yes, that's why I said ought.Dorset_Boy said:
From the SW you'd have to train it to Waterloo / Paddington, then across town to Kings Cross, then Eurostar it to Paris.First.Aspect said:
It didn't make enough money, end of. I've spent a lot of time at Exeter Airport and it's never seemed busy, just holiday routes in the summer and particular routes within the UK. The Edinburgh flight always still seems busy. So busy in fact that Loganair routinely have to delay it a couple of hours to squeeze everyone on.briantrumpet said:I miss my Exeter-Paris flights... 20 mins cycle to the airport, 5 mins max for security. Kind of surprised no-one's yet replaced Flybe, as Bristol is a PITA in comparison for the SW peninsula.
And tbh it really ought to be easier to get to Paris by train.
That's a tonne more hassle than flying from Exe, BRS, BOH or SOU
Rail works if your are in or around London.
Travelling cross country without going via London is a mare by rail and will probably involve mutiple changes of train.
I guess that's the same issue the northern cities have, they are not connected well by rail.
The SW will never get better connections to London. Well, certainly not before the north and its much bigger population, and I can't see that happening in my lifetime, such is the chaos of HS2. No-one's going to announce a big infrastructure programme for decades after that. They can't even get round to completing the dual-carriagewaying of the A303, and that's been 'on the cards' for decades.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
It’s about capacity not speed 😉rjsterry said:
You have the M5/M4 and two railway lines to London. The former gets you to London in just under 4hrs, the latter 3.5hrs. Going via Bristol only adds 25miles over the slower A303. That's why it hasn't been upgraded.briantrumpet said:First.Aspect said:
Well yes, that's why I said ought.Dorset_Boy said:
From the SW you'd have to train it to Waterloo / Paddington, then across town to Kings Cross, then Eurostar it to Paris.First.Aspect said:
It didn't make enough money, end of. I've spent a lot of time at Exeter Airport and it's never seemed busy, just holiday routes in the summer and particular routes within the UK. The Edinburgh flight always still seems busy. So busy in fact that Loganair routinely have to delay it a couple of hours to squeeze everyone on.briantrumpet said:I miss my Exeter-Paris flights... 20 mins cycle to the airport, 5 mins max for security. Kind of surprised no-one's yet replaced Flybe, as Bristol is a PITA in comparison for the SW peninsula.
And tbh it really ought to be easier to get to Paris by train.
That's a tonne more hassle than flying from Exe, BRS, BOH or SOU
Rail works if your are in or around London.
Travelling cross country without going via London is a mare by rail and will probably involve mutiple changes of train.
I guess that's the same issue the northern cities have, they are not connected well by rail.
The SW will never get better connections to London. Well, certainly not before the north and its much bigger population, and I can't see that happening in my lifetime, such is the chaos of HS2. No-one's going to announce a big infrastructure programme for decades after that. They can't even get round to completing the dual-carriagewaying of the A303, and that's been 'on the cards' for decades.0 -
Can someone explain to me the controversy over this? I would have thought that a tunnel would remove the relentless backdrop of traffic (often tailbacks) near Stonehenge, and thereby improve the site.briantrumpet said:Tashman said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-66201424briantrumpet said:First.Aspect said:
Well yes, that's why I said ought.Dorset_Boy said:
From the SW you'd have to train it to Waterloo / Paddington, then across town to Kings Cross, then Eurostar it to Paris.First.Aspect said:
It didn't make enough money, end of. I've spent a lot of time at Exeter Airport and it's never seemed busy, just holiday routes in the summer and particular routes within the UK. The Edinburgh flight always still seems busy. So busy in fact that Loganair routinely have to delay it a couple of hours to squeeze everyone on.briantrumpet said:I miss my Exeter-Paris flights... 20 mins cycle to the airport, 5 mins max for security. Kind of surprised no-one's yet replaced Flybe, as Bristol is a PITA in comparison for the SW peninsula.
And tbh it really ought to be easier to get to Paris by train.
That's a tonne more hassle than flying from Exe, BRS, BOH or SOU
Rail works if your are in or around London.
Travelling cross country without going via London is a mare by rail and will probably involve mutiple changes of train.
I guess that's the same issue the northern cities have, they are not connected well by rail.
The SW will never get better connections to London. Well, certainly not before the north and its much bigger population, and I can't see that happening in my lifetime, such is the chaos of HS2. No-one's going to announce a big infrastructure programme for decades after that. They can't even get round to completing the dual-carriagewaying of the A303, and that's been 'on the cards' for decades.
That's a start. Next, the Blackdown Hills...
Why don't locals want that?0 -
Pross said:
It’s about capacity not speed 😉rjsterry said:
You have the M5/M4 and two railway lines to London. The former gets you to London in just under 4hrs, the latter 3.5hrs. Going via Bristol only adds 25miles over the slower A303. That's why it hasn't been upgraded.briantrumpet said:First.Aspect said:
Well yes, that's why I said ought.Dorset_Boy said:
From the SW you'd have to train it to Waterloo / Paddington, then across town to Kings Cross, then Eurostar it to Paris.First.Aspect said:
It didn't make enough money, end of. I've spent a lot of time at Exeter Airport and it's never seemed busy, just holiday routes in the summer and particular routes within the UK. The Edinburgh flight always still seems busy. So busy in fact that Loganair routinely have to delay it a couple of hours to squeeze everyone on.briantrumpet said:I miss my Exeter-Paris flights... 20 mins cycle to the airport, 5 mins max for security. Kind of surprised no-one's yet replaced Flybe, as Bristol is a PITA in comparison for the SW peninsula.
And tbh it really ought to be easier to get to Paris by train.
That's a tonne more hassle than flying from Exe, BRS, BOH or SOU
Rail works if your are in or around London.
Travelling cross country without going via London is a mare by rail and will probably involve mutiple changes of train.
I guess that's the same issue the northern cities have, they are not connected well by rail.
The SW will never get better connections to London. Well, certainly not before the north and its much bigger population, and I can't see that happening in my lifetime, such is the chaos of HS2. No-one's going to announce a big infrastructure programme for decades after that. They can't even get round to completing the dual-carriagewaying of the A303, and that's been 'on the cards' for decades.
And resilience.
But, being realistic, there aren't enough people/voters (or industry) in the SW to make it a priority... I'd not disagree that the North should be prioritised, and this government has all but given up on them already, from a strategic POV.0 -
Damage to a World Heritage Site I believe. I think the main argument is the tunnel needs to extend further to avoid impact on the full extent of the WHS but even at its current length is a waste of money so should be scrapped.First.Aspect said:
Can someone explain to me the controversy over this? I would have thought that a tunnel would remove the relentless backdrop of traffic (often tailbacks) near Stonehenge, and thereby improve the site.briantrumpet said:Tashman said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-66201424briantrumpet said:First.Aspect said:
Well yes, that's why I said ought.Dorset_Boy said:
From the SW you'd have to train it to Waterloo / Paddington, then across town to Kings Cross, then Eurostar it to Paris.First.Aspect said:
It didn't make enough money, end of. I've spent a lot of time at Exeter Airport and it's never seemed busy, just holiday routes in the summer and particular routes within the UK. The Edinburgh flight always still seems busy. So busy in fact that Loganair routinely have to delay it a couple of hours to squeeze everyone on.briantrumpet said:I miss my Exeter-Paris flights... 20 mins cycle to the airport, 5 mins max for security. Kind of surprised no-one's yet replaced Flybe, as Bristol is a PITA in comparison for the SW peninsula.
And tbh it really ought to be easier to get to Paris by train.
That's a tonne more hassle than flying from Exe, BRS, BOH or SOU
Rail works if your are in or around London.
Travelling cross country without going via London is a mare by rail and will probably involve mutiple changes of train.
I guess that's the same issue the northern cities have, they are not connected well by rail.
The SW will never get better connections to London. Well, certainly not before the north and its much bigger population, and I can't see that happening in my lifetime, such is the chaos of HS2. No-one's going to announce a big infrastructure programme for decades after that. They can't even get round to completing the dual-carriagewaying of the A303, and that's been 'on the cards' for decades.
That's a start. Next, the Blackdown Hills...
Why don't locals want that?0 -
This. There are Neolithic and Bronze Age structures everywhere you turn in that part of Wiltshire. Stonehenge is just the best known bit of the landscape. Essentially the same design has already been blocked by the High Court. The DfT has just tweaked their plans to justify another go. There's also no funding available.Pross said:
Damage to a World Heritage Site I believe. I think the main argument is the tunnel needs to extend further to avoid impact on the full extent of the WHS but even at its current length is a waste of money so should be scrapped.First.Aspect said:
Can someone explain to me the controversy over this? I would have thought that a tunnel would remove the relentless backdrop of traffic (often tailbacks) near Stonehenge, and thereby improve the site.briantrumpet said:Tashman said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-66201424briantrumpet said:First.Aspect said:
Well yes, that's why I said ought.Dorset_Boy said:
From the SW you'd have to train it to Waterloo / Paddington, then across town to Kings Cross, then Eurostar it to Paris.First.Aspect said:
It didn't make enough money, end of. I've spent a lot of time at Exeter Airport and it's never seemed busy, just holiday routes in the summer and particular routes within the UK. The Edinburgh flight always still seems busy. So busy in fact that Loganair routinely have to delay it a couple of hours to squeeze everyone on.briantrumpet said:I miss my Exeter-Paris flights... 20 mins cycle to the airport, 5 mins max for security. Kind of surprised no-one's yet replaced Flybe, as Bristol is a PITA in comparison for the SW peninsula.
And tbh it really ought to be easier to get to Paris by train.
That's a tonne more hassle than flying from Exe, BRS, BOH or SOU
Rail works if your are in or around London.
Travelling cross country without going via London is a mare by rail and will probably involve mutiple changes of train.
I guess that's the same issue the northern cities have, they are not connected well by rail.
The SW will never get better connections to London. Well, certainly not before the north and its much bigger population, and I can't see that happening in my lifetime, such is the chaos of HS2. No-one's going to announce a big infrastructure programme for decades after that. They can't even get round to completing the dual-carriagewaying of the A303, and that's been 'on the cards' for decades.
That's a start. Next, the Blackdown Hills...
Why don't locals want that?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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What's the alternative? (not a rhetorical question).rjsterry said:
This. There are Neolithic and Bronze Age structures everywhere you turn in that part of Wiltshire. Stonehenge is just the best known bit of the landscape. Essentially the same design has already been blocked by the High Court. The DfT has just tweaked their plans to justify another go. There's also no funding available.Pross said:
Damage to a World Heritage Site I believe. I think the main argument is the tunnel needs to extend further to avoid impact on the full extent of the WHS but even at its current length is a waste of money so should be scrapped.First.Aspect said:
Can someone explain to me the controversy over this? I would have thought that a tunnel would remove the relentless backdrop of traffic (often tailbacks) near Stonehenge, and thereby improve the site.briantrumpet said:Tashman said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-66201424briantrumpet said:First.Aspect said:
Well yes, that's why I said ought.Dorset_Boy said:
From the SW you'd have to train it to Waterloo / Paddington, then across town to Kings Cross, then Eurostar it to Paris.First.Aspect said:
It didn't make enough money, end of. I've spent a lot of time at Exeter Airport and it's never seemed busy, just holiday routes in the summer and particular routes within the UK. The Edinburgh flight always still seems busy. So busy in fact that Loganair routinely have to delay it a couple of hours to squeeze everyone on.briantrumpet said:I miss my Exeter-Paris flights... 20 mins cycle to the airport, 5 mins max for security. Kind of surprised no-one's yet replaced Flybe, as Bristol is a PITA in comparison for the SW peninsula.
And tbh it really ought to be easier to get to Paris by train.
That's a tonne more hassle than flying from Exe, BRS, BOH or SOU
Rail works if your are in or around London.
Travelling cross country without going via London is a mare by rail and will probably involve mutiple changes of train.
I guess that's the same issue the northern cities have, they are not connected well by rail.
The SW will never get better connections to London. Well, certainly not before the north and its much bigger population, and I can't see that happening in my lifetime, such is the chaos of HS2. No-one's going to announce a big infrastructure programme for decades after that. They can't even get round to completing the dual-carriagewaying of the A303, and that's been 'on the cards' for decades.
That's a start. Next, the Blackdown Hills...
Why don't locals want that?
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Ironically it often feels as if the questions is the other way around (in that the RoUK wants better access to the SW).0
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Probably fair tbh.shirley_basso said:Ironically it often feels as if the questions is the other way around (in that the RoUK wants better access to the SW).
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Ironically if better access is given then the SW would be even busier and the main appeal eroded, then RoUK would head elsewhere. Quieter areas are usually quiet for practical reasons.shirley_basso said:Ironically it often feels as if the questions is the other way around (in that the RoUK wants better access to the SW).
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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