British Honours
So here are who should have awards
Sir
Chris Boardman (for stuff beyond the sport) - currently MBE
Chris Froome - currently OBE
CBE
Mark Cavendish - currently MBE
OBE
Lizzie Deignan
Rod Ellingworth
MBE
Simon Yates
Tao G Hart
Philippa York
Barry Hoban
Sean Yates
Mandy Jones
Mick Bennett
Essentially I am baffled that Matt Walls can have an honour while Lizzie D doesn't.
*Full disclosure, my grandfather got an MBE and as a result I was christened in St Paul's cathedral
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Not a fan of such honours for sport. Firstly, sport has its own prizes and so additional honours feel superfluous, other than if Bloggs got a gong for something then it’s odd if Jones doesn’t subsequently get the same gong for the same achievement. Secondly, there is far too much subjectivity involved, which should not sit well with any sportsperson other than gymnasts, figure skaters, divers and ski jumpers.1
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Not really a fan of these things - I'd like to think I'd turn one down in the unlikely event I was ever offered one. Closest I've ever come was a mate's dad got either (I think) a CBE or MBE for his work at Rolls Royce - the aero engine firm not the car maker.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]1
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Agree, but giving awards to people who already got awards is a British thing… it’s the same in Science, they give out prizes to researchers, essentially for having gained other awards.wallace_and_gromit said:Not a fan of such honours for sport. Firstly, sport has its own prizes and so additional honours feel superfluous, other than if Bloggs got a gong for something then it’s odd if Jones doesn’t subsequently get the same gong for the same achievement. Secondly, there is far too much subjectivity involved, which should not sit well with any sportsperson other than gymnasts, figure skaters, divers and ski jumpers.
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What really winds me up is people who include their OBE or MBE in their business email address. Eg Norman.nonentity-obe@obscuregovernmentdepartment.gov.uk
I’m not mad keen on inclusion of gong references in social media names either.1 -
I would have thought G would be worth more than an OBE.0
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Initially, I thought you'd meant it would be awarded for services to banter but he does actually run a charitable trust, so, foix, fair play.secretsqirrel said:I would have thought G would be worth more than an OBE.
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no he doesn't.wakemalcolm said:
Initially, I thought you'd meant it would be awarded for services to banter but he does actually run a charitable trust, so, foix, fair play.secretsqirrel said:I would have thought G would be worth more than an OBE.
he's not the Settlor or a trustee and going by their F/S they haven't done anything.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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no and not even thatsecretsqirrel said:I would have thought G would be worth more than an OBE.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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no sportsperson should get a gong.
a honour for riding a bicycle or kicking a football?
jog right on..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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The Green Knight.rick_chasey said:Cav ought to be sir ahead of Froome.
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It would be more honourable to pay tax… most of these folks are well advised on how to be tax efficient.wakemalcolm said:
Initially, I thought you'd meant it would be awarded for services to banter but he does actually run a charitable trust, so, foix, fair play.secretsqirrel said:I would have thought G would be worth more than an OBE.
I never quite understood hiding away money so that they can replace government and hand it back the way they prefer… which is the one that gets more likes typically.
Fuchs charity… pay tax instead!
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If I were gonna rank, I’d go more on “what they’ve done for cycling” rather than palmares and there Cav is just bigger than Froome and beyond Hoy and Wiggins he’s had a vast impact on British cycling and he’s genuinely a contender for GOAT sprinter which deserves recognition.RichN95. said:This will be in the news soon. I don't take this too seriously*, but it does show the place of cycling with the establishment. As far as I can tell the only person with an honour without a track gold is Chris Froome OBE. Jason Cundy & Victoria Pendleton have the higher CBE
So here are who should have awards
Sir
Chris Boardman (for stuff beyond the sport) - currently MBE
Chris Froome - currently OBE
CBE
Mark Cavendish - currently MBE
OBE
Lizzie Deignan
Rod Ellingworth
MBE
Simon Yates
Tao G Hart
Philippa York
Barry Hoban
Sean Yates
Mandy Jones
Mick Bennett
Essentially I am baffled that Matt Walls can have an honour while Lizzie D doesn't.
*Full disclosure, my grandfather got an MBE and as a result I was christened in St Paul's cathedral0 -
he doesn't run a charityugo.santalucia said:
It would be more honourable to pay tax… most of these folks are well advised on how to be tax efficient.wakemalcolm said:
Initially, I thought you'd meant it would be awarded for services to banter but he does actually run a charitable trust, so, foix, fair play.secretsqirrel said:I would have thought G would be worth more than an OBE.
I never quite understood hiding away money so that they can replace government and hand it back the way they prefer… which is the one that gets more likes typically.
Fuchs charity… pay tax instead!
he has put no money into the charity
the charity is nothing to do with his tax planning.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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what game? rewarding prople who have already rewarddd for riding a bicycle?rick_chasey said:Not sure this lot get the game Rich, soz.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Matt, can you f@ck off back to cake stop and stop ruining threads on pro race?
If you don’t believe in honours, how about not posting in the honours thread? 👍🏻4 -
I've not got enough random useless memory to remember who has what but if I was ranking...
God Tier
Wiggo
Hoy
Premier League
Froome
Cav
Lizzie
The Family Kenny
First Division
Vicky P
GT
Ed Clancy
Katie Archibald
Both Yates
TGH (?)
Evie Richards (assuming a constant trajectory)
David Millar - services to overpriced kit
Token minimum honors when they retire
Adam Blythe
Alex Dowsett - services to riding in cirles
Luke Rowe
Lil pete
Yogi - services for comedy
Lizzie banks
Eli barker (flirting with promotion for sure)
Georgie Pffeiffer (you won't convince me)
Ben Swift
Everyone else I can think of whilst making a coffee needs to do/win a bit more. Overly historical figures I didn't consider cos the kettle boiled...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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But… they knighted Murray, who I think lives in Monaco, probably hardly pays any tax and no doubt makes significant donations to various charities.MattFalle said:
he doesn't run a charityugo.santalucia said:
It would be more honourable to pay tax… most of these folks are well advised on how to be tax efficient.wakemalcolm said:
Initially, I thought you'd meant it would be awarded for services to banter but he does actually run a charitable trust, so, foix, fair play.secretsqirrel said:I would have thought G would be worth more than an OBE.
I never quite understood hiding away money so that they can replace government and hand it back the way they prefer… which is the one that gets more likes typically.
Fuchs charity… pay tax instead!
he has put no money into the charity
the charity is nothing to do with his tax planning
Pretty much anyone who is someone manages to live in Monaco… I don’t blame them, it’s nice and I would do the same if I could, but knighthood? Maybe not… I would probably feel embarrassed and turn it down
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what game?rick_chasey said:Not sure this lot get the game Rich, soz.
no.rick_chasey said:Matt, can you f@ck off back to cake stop and stop ruining threads on pro race?
If you don’t believe in honours, how about not posting in the honours thread? 👍🏻.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I’m struggling to work out why Wiggins is ranked two levels higher than Thomas and above Froome.ddraver said:I've not got enough random useless memory to remember who has what but if I was ranking...
God Tier
Wiggo
Hoy
Premier League
Froome
Cav
Lizzie
The Family Kenny
First Division
Vicky P
GT
Ed Clancy
Katie Archibald
Both Yates
TGH (?)
Evie Richards (assuming a constant trajectory)
David Millar - services to overpriced kit
Token minimum honors when they retire
Adam Blythe
Alex Dowsett - services to riding in cirles
Luke Rowe
Lil pete
Yogi - services for comedy
Lizzie banks
Eli barker (flirting with promotion for sure)
Georgie Pffeiffer (you won't convince me)
Ben Swift
Everyone else I can think of whilst making a coffee needs to do/win a bit more. Overly historical figures I didn't consider cos the kettle boiled...
Also, who is Georgie Pffeiffer? I assume you mean Pfeifer Georgi in which case I’m surprised she gets a mention especially as Zoe Backstedt is completely ignored.1 -
Graeme Obree, for his innovative and individual means to an end?1
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Harsh on Jason Kenny to be at anything other than the highest level. His Kierin win last year deserves God Tier on its own!ddraver said:I've not got enough random useless memory to remember who has what but if I was ranking...
God Tier
Wiggo
Hoy
Premier League
Froome
Cav
Lizzie
The Family Kenny
First Division
Vicky P
GT
Ed Clancy
Katie Archibald
Both Yates
TGH (?)
Evie Richards (assuming a constant trajectory)
David Millar - services to overpriced kit
Token minimum honors when they retire
Adam Blythe
Alex Dowsett - services to riding in cirles
Luke Rowe
Lil pete
Yogi - services for comedy
Lizzie banks
Eli barker (flirting with promotion for sure)
Georgie Pffeiffer (you won't convince me)
Ben Swift
Everyone else I can think of whilst making a coffee needs to do/win a bit more. Overly historical figures I didn't consider cos the kettle boiled...
I'd nudge Ed Clancy and Queen Vic up a notch too.
And as a wild card, I'd add Rebecca Romero in at First Division. She was a very strange character and wasn't around very long, but she was bl**dy good.
Lizzie maybe a notch too high. But only maybe.
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Fair point. JK does not exactly flaunt his marketing potential!ddraver said:God Tier is for those who have transcended cycling IMO. The ones "the man digging a hole in the road" would know.
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I think Murray lives in Leatherhead. (Per Wiki, so may be wrong.)ugo.santalucia said:
But… they knighted Murray, who I think lives in Monaco, probably hardly pays any tax and no doubt makes significant donations to various charities.MattFalle said:
he doesn't run a charityugo.santalucia said:
It would be more honourable to pay tax… most of these folks are well advised on how to be tax efficient.wakemalcolm said:
Initially, I thought you'd meant it would be awarded for services to banter but he does actually run a charitable trust, so, foix, fair play.secretsqirrel said:I would have thought G would be worth more than an OBE.
I never quite understood hiding away money so that they can replace government and hand it back the way they prefer… which is the one that gets more likes typically.
Fuchs charity… pay tax instead!
he has put no money into the charity
the charity is nothing to do with his tax planning
Pretty much anyone who is someone manages to live in Monaco… I don’t blame them, it’s nice and I would do the same if I could, but knighthood? Maybe not… I would probably feel embarrassed and turn it down0
