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RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 26,453
edited December 2022 in Pro race
This will be in the news soon. I don't take this too seriously*, but it does show the place of cycling with the establishment. As far as I can tell the only person with an honour without a track gold is Chris Froome OBE. Jason Cundy & Victoria Pendleton have the higher CBE

So here are who should have awards

Sir
Chris Boardman (for stuff beyond the sport) - currently MBE
Chris Froome - currently OBE

CBE
Mark Cavendish - currently MBE

OBE
Lizzie Deignan
Rod Ellingworth

MBE
Simon Yates
Tao G Hart
Philippa York
Barry Hoban
Sean Yates
Mandy Jones
Mick Bennett

Essentially I am baffled that Matt Walls can have an honour while Lizzie D doesn't.

*Full disclosure, my grandfather got an MBE and as a result I was christened in St Paul's cathedral
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  • Not a fan of such honours for sport. Firstly, sport has its own prizes and so additional honours feel superfluous, other than if Bloggs got a gong for something then it’s odd if Jones doesn’t subsequently get the same gong for the same achievement. Secondly, there is far too much subjectivity involved, which should not sit well with any sportsperson other than gymnasts, figure skaters, divers and ski jumpers.
  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck Posts: 8,305
    Not really a fan of these things - I'd like to think I'd turn one down in the unlikely event I was ever offered one. Closest I've ever come was a mate's dad got either (I think) a CBE or MBE for his work at Rolls Royce - the aero engine firm not the car maker.
    [Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]
  • Not a fan of such honours for sport. Firstly, sport has its own prizes and so additional honours feel superfluous, other than if Bloggs got a gong for something then it’s odd if Jones doesn’t subsequently get the same gong for the same achievement. Secondly, there is far too much subjectivity involved, which should not sit well with any sportsperson other than gymnasts, figure skaters, divers and ski jumpers.

    Agree, but giving awards to people who already got awards is a British thing… it’s the same in Science, they give out prizes to researchers, essentially for having gained other awards.
  • wallace_and_gromitwallace_and_gromit Posts: 1,989
    edited December 2022
    What really winds me up is people who include their OBE or MBE in their business email address. Eg [email protected]

    I’m not mad keen on inclusion of gong references in social media names either.
  • I would have thought G would be worth more than an OBE.
  • I would have thought G would be worth more than an OBE.

    Initially, I thought you'd meant it would be awarded for services to banter but he does actually run a charitable trust, so, foix, fair play.
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 65,328 Lives Here
    Cav ought to be sir ahead of Froome.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644

    I would have thought G would be worth more than an OBE.

    Initially, I thought you'd meant it would be awarded for services to banter but he does actually run a charitable trust, so, foix, fair play.
    no he doesn't.

    he's not the Settlor or a trustee and going by their F/S they haven't done anything.

    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644

    Cav ought to be sir ahead of Froome.

    utter bollox

    neither of them should
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited December 2022

    I would have thought G would be worth more than an OBE.

    no and not even that
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    no sportsperson should get a gong.

    a honour for riding a bicycle or kicking a football?

    jog right on.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Cav ought to be sir ahead of Froome.

    The Green Knight.
  • I would have thought G would be worth more than an OBE.

    Initially, I thought you'd meant it would be awarded for services to banter but he does actually run a charitable trust, so, foix, fair play.
    It would be more honourable to pay tax… most of these folks are well advised on how to be tax efficient.
    I never quite understood hiding away money so that they can replace government and hand it back the way they prefer… which is the one that gets more likes typically.
    Fuchs charity… pay tax instead!
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 65,328 Lives Here
    Not sure this lot get the game Rich, soz.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 65,328 Lives Here
    RichN95. said:

    This will be in the news soon. I don't take this too seriously*, but it does show the place of cycling with the establishment. As far as I can tell the only person with an honour without a track gold is Chris Froome OBE. Jason Cundy & Victoria Pendleton have the higher CBE

    So here are who should have awards

    Sir
    Chris Boardman (for stuff beyond the sport) - currently MBE
    Chris Froome - currently OBE

    CBE
    Mark Cavendish - currently MBE

    OBE
    Lizzie Deignan
    Rod Ellingworth

    MBE
    Simon Yates
    Tao G Hart
    Philippa York
    Barry Hoban
    Sean Yates
    Mandy Jones
    Mick Bennett

    Essentially I am baffled that Matt Walls can have an honour while Lizzie D doesn't.

    *Full disclosure, my grandfather got an MBE and as a result I was christened in St Paul's cathedral

    If I were gonna rank, I’d go more on “what they’ve done for cycling” rather than palmares and there Cav is just bigger than Froome and beyond Hoy and Wiggins he’s had a vast impact on British cycling and he’s genuinely a contender for GOAT sprinter which deserves recognition.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644

    I would have thought G would be worth more than an OBE.

    Initially, I thought you'd meant it would be awarded for services to banter but he does actually run a charitable trust, so, foix, fair play.
    It would be more honourable to pay tax… most of these folks are well advised on how to be tax efficient.
    I never quite understood hiding away money so that they can replace government and hand it back the way they prefer… which is the one that gets more likes typically.
    Fuchs charity… pay tax instead!
    he doesn't run a charity

    he has put no money into the charity

    the charity is nothing to do with his tax planning
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited December 2022

    Not sure this lot get the game Rich, soz.

    what game? rewarding prople who have already rewarddd for riding a bicycle?
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 65,328 Lives Here
    edited December 2022
    Matt, can you [email protected] off back to cake stop and stop ruining threads on pro race?

    If you don’t believe in honours, how about not posting in the honours thread? 👍🏻
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 25,183
    edited December 2022
    I've not got enough random useless memory to remember who has what but if I was ranking...

    God Tier
    Wiggo
    Hoy

    Premier League
    Froome
    Cav
    Lizzie
    The Family Kenny

    First Division
    Vicky P
    GT
    Ed Clancy
    Katie Archibald
    Both Yates
    TGH (?)
    Evie Richards (assuming a constant trajectory)
    David Millar - services to overpriced kit

    Token minimum honors when they retire
    Adam Blythe
    Alex Dowsett - services to riding in cirles
    Luke Rowe
    Lil pete
    Yogi - services for comedy
    Lizzie banks
    Eli barker (flirting with promotion for sure)
    Georgie Pffeiffer (you won't convince me)
    Ben Swift

    Everyone else I can think of whilst making a coffee needs to do/win a bit more. Overly historical figures I didn't consider cos the kettle boiled...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • MattFalle said:

    I would have thought G would be worth more than an OBE.

    Initially, I thought you'd meant it would be awarded for services to banter but he does actually run a charitable trust, so, foix, fair play.
    It would be more honourable to pay tax… most of these folks are well advised on how to be tax efficient.
    I never quite understood hiding away money so that they can replace government and hand it back the way they prefer… which is the one that gets more likes typically.
    Fuchs charity… pay tax instead!
    he doesn't run a charity

    he has put no money into the charity

    the charity is nothing to do with his tax planning
    But… they knighted Murray, who I think lives in Monaco, probably hardly pays any tax and no doubt makes significant donations to various charities.
    Pretty much anyone who is someone manages to live in Monaco… I don’t blame them, it’s nice and I would do the same if I could, but knighthood? Maybe not… I would probably feel embarrassed and turn it down

  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644

    Not sure this lot get the game Rich, soz.

    what game?

    Matt, can you [email protected] off back to cake stop and stop ruining threads on pro race?

    If you don’t believe in honours, how about not posting in the honours thread? 👍🏻

    no.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • ProssPross Posts: 34,791
    MattFalle said:

    no sportsperson should get a gong.

    a honour for riding a bicycle or kicking a football?

    jog right on.

    If anyone deserves a Knighthood in any walk of life it’s Kevin Sinfield and he’s a sportsperson albeit the award wouldn’t be for sporting achievement.
  • ProssPross Posts: 34,791
    ddraver said:

    I've not got enough random useless memory to remember who has what but if I was ranking...

    God Tier
    Wiggo
    Hoy

    Premier League
    Froome
    Cav
    Lizzie
    The Family Kenny

    First Division
    Vicky P
    GT
    Ed Clancy
    Katie Archibald
    Both Yates
    TGH (?)
    Evie Richards (assuming a constant trajectory)
    David Millar - services to overpriced kit

    Token minimum honors when they retire
    Adam Blythe
    Alex Dowsett - services to riding in cirles
    Luke Rowe
    Lil pete
    Yogi - services for comedy
    Lizzie banks
    Eli barker (flirting with promotion for sure)
    Georgie Pffeiffer (you won't convince me)
    Ben Swift

    Everyone else I can think of whilst making a coffee needs to do/win a bit more. Overly historical figures I didn't consider cos the kettle boiled...

    I’m struggling to work out why Wiggins is ranked two levels higher than Thomas and above Froome.

    Also, who is Georgie Pffeiffer? I assume you mean Pfeifer Georgi in which case I’m surprised she gets a mention especially as Zoe Backstedt is completely ignored.
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 25,183
    edited December 2022
    I humbly and totally apologize for trying to have a bit of fun and join in a game.

    I should have known that was illegal on the internet.

    Why are we called Po Face again...?
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 11,195
    Graeme Obree, for his innovative and individual means to an end?
  • ProssPross Posts: 34,791
    ddraver said:

    I humbly and totally apologize for trying to have a bit of fun and join in a game.

    I should have known that was illegal on the internet.

    Why are we called Po Face again...?

    Sorry, I assumed it was fun based on some sort of system.
  • ddraver said:

    I've not got enough random useless memory to remember who has what but if I was ranking...

    God Tier
    Wiggo
    Hoy

    Premier League
    Froome
    Cav
    Lizzie
    The Family Kenny

    First Division
    Vicky P
    GT
    Ed Clancy
    Katie Archibald
    Both Yates
    TGH (?)
    Evie Richards (assuming a constant trajectory)
    David Millar - services to overpriced kit

    Token minimum honors when they retire
    Adam Blythe
    Alex Dowsett - services to riding in cirles
    Luke Rowe
    Lil pete
    Yogi - services for comedy
    Lizzie banks
    Eli barker (flirting with promotion for sure)
    Georgie Pffeiffer (you won't convince me)
    Ben Swift

    Everyone else I can think of whilst making a coffee needs to do/win a bit more. Overly historical figures I didn't consider cos the kettle boiled...

    Harsh on Jason Kenny to be at anything other than the highest level. His Kierin win last year deserves God Tier on its own!

    I'd nudge Ed Clancy and Queen Vic up a notch too.

    And as a wild card, I'd add Rebecca Romero in at First Division. She was a very strange character and wasn't around very long, but she was bl**dy good.

    Lizzie maybe a notch too high. But only maybe.

  • ddraverddraver Posts: 25,183
    RR was the one I was trying to remember! Saw her riding Llandegla once...

    God Tier is for those who have transcended cycling IMO. The ones "the man digging a hole in the road" would know.
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • ddraver said:

    God Tier is for those who have transcended cycling IMO. The ones "the man digging a hole in the road" would know.

    Fair point. JK does not exactly flaunt his marketing potential!

  • MattFalle said:

    I would have thought G would be worth more than an OBE.

    Initially, I thought you'd meant it would be awarded for services to banter but he does actually run a charitable trust, so, foix, fair play.
    It would be more honourable to pay tax… most of these folks are well advised on how to be tax efficient.
    I never quite understood hiding away money so that they can replace government and hand it back the way they prefer… which is the one that gets more likes typically.
    Fuchs charity… pay tax instead!
    he doesn't run a charity

    he has put no money into the charity

    the charity is nothing to do with his tax planning
    But… they knighted Murray, who I think lives in Monaco, probably hardly pays any tax and no doubt makes significant donations to various charities.
    Pretty much anyone who is someone manages to live in Monaco… I don’t blame them, it’s nice and I would do the same if I could, but knighthood? Maybe not… I would probably feel embarrassed and turn it down

    I think Murray lives in Leatherhead. (Per Wiki, so may be wrong.)
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