British Honours
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I might confuse him with someone else who got knighted... most likely Lewis Hamilton...wallace_and_gromit said:
I think Murray lives in Leatherhead. (Per Wiki, so may be wrong.)ugo.santalucia said:
But… they knighted Murray, who I think lives in Monaco, probably hardly pays any tax and no doubt makes significant donations to various charities.MattFalle said:
he doesn't run a charityugo.santalucia said:
It would be more honourable to pay tax… most of these folks are well advised on how to be tax efficient.wakemalcolm said:
Initially, I thought you'd meant it would be awarded for services to banter but he does actually run a charitable trust, so, foix, fair play.secretsqirrel said:I would have thought G would be worth more than an OBE.
I never quite understood hiding away money so that they can replace government and hand it back the way they prefer… which is the one that gets more likes typically.
Fuchs charity… pay tax instead!
he has put no money into the charity
the charity is nothing to do with his tax planning
Pretty much anyone who is someone manages to live in Monaco… I don’t blame them, it’s nice and I would do the same if I could, but knighthood? Maybe not… I would probably feel embarrassed and turn it down
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That's quite the strawman you built there, based on not one iota of truth. Good work.ugo.santalucia said:
But… they knighted Murray, who I think lives in Monaco, probably hardly pays any tax and no doubt makes significant donations to various charities.MattFalle said:
he doesn't run a charityugo.santalucia said:
It would be more honourable to pay tax… most of these folks are well advised on how to be tax efficient.wakemalcolm said:
Initially, I thought you'd meant it would be awarded for services to banter but he does actually run a charitable trust, so, foix, fair play.secretsqirrel said:I would have thought G would be worth more than an OBE.
I never quite understood hiding away money so that they can replace government and hand it back the way they prefer… which is the one that gets more likes typically.
Fuchs charity… pay tax instead!
he has put no money into the charity
the charity is nothing to do with his tax planning
Pretty much anyone who is someone manages to live in Monaco… I don’t blame them, it’s nice and I would do the same if I could, but knighthood? Maybe not… I would probably feel embarrassed and turn it down0 -
If you could live just about anywhere, why would you choose Leatherhead?
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In that case God tier is just Wiggins.ddraver said:RR was the one I was trying to remember! Saw her riding Llandegla once...
God Tier is for those who have transcended cycling IMO. The ones "the man digging a hole in the road" would know.
Cav, Hoy, Froome and possibly Laura Trott/Kenny on the next rung.
Honestly think this forum over estimates how much people Cate about the Olympics these days and under estimates the visibility of road cycling.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Near to Mrs Murray's family?me-109 said:If you could live just about anywhere, why would you choose Leatherhead?
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I doubt he's in a flat next to the Swan Centre.
Wikipedia says he lives in Oxshott, which judging by the house prices is a pretty common spot for people with a lot of money. I guess being close to Wimbledon probably has benefits for him too.0 -
Yeah, I mixed it up with Hamilton... not sure whyandyp said:
That's quite the strawman you built there, based on not one iota of truth. Good work.ugo.santalucia said:
But… they knighted Murray, who I think lives in Monaco, probably hardly pays any tax and no doubt makes significant donations to various charities.MattFalle said:
he doesn't run a charityugo.santalucia said:
It would be more honourable to pay tax… most of these folks are well advised on how to be tax efficient.wakemalcolm said:
Initially, I thought you'd meant it would be awarded for services to banter but he does actually run a charitable trust, so, foix, fair play.secretsqirrel said:I would have thought G would be worth more than an OBE.
I never quite understood hiding away money so that they can replace government and hand it back the way they prefer… which is the one that gets more likes typically.
Fuchs charity… pay tax instead!
he has put no money into the charity
the charity is nothing to do with his tax planning
Pretty much anyone who is someone manages to live in Monaco… I don’t blame them, it’s nice and I would do the same if I could, but knighthood? Maybe not… I would probably feel embarrassed and turn it downleft the forum March 20230 -
Worse places than Surrey... good cycling there, if you can bear the traffic...me-109 said:If you could live just about anywhere, why would you choose Leatherhead?
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Somebody mentioned Zoe Backstedt... I am sure she will go and do great things, but isn't it a bit early for honours? She won in the Junior ranks FFS.
Probably not a good idea to ruin them when they are still growing, with responsibilities and a public profile that can only damage their career. There will be a time and a place for that.
I am very much in favour of honours being an end of career thing...
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I meant just Leatherhead, not the whole of Surrey!ugo.santalucia said:
Worse places than Surrey... good cycling there, if you can bear the traffic...me-109 said:If you could live just about anywhere, why would you choose Leatherhead?
Worked out of there and Epsom for years and had many a night ride over the Downs. Some cracking climbs there and far more testing than Box Hill.0 -
She was mentioned in response to Pfeifer Georgi being on the list. Backstedt has already done more.ugo.santalucia said:Somebody mentioned Zoe Backstedt... I am sure she will go and do great things, but isn't it a bit early for honours? She won in the Junior ranks FFS.
Probably not a good idea to ruin them when they are still growing, with responsibilities and a public profile that can only damage their career. There will be a time and a place for that.
I am very much in favour of honours being an end of career thing...0 -
Lizzie D just picked up her MBE. Should have been O.2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner0
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Lizzie trying to tell us something here…
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Not cycling sorry but amazed Kevin Sinfield hasn’t had a “promotion” from his OBE. Possible he may have turned something down I suppose but it feels like he has done more meaningful stuff in the last year than most celebs who get knighted.1
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Agree, along with the guy who is running his 365th marathon this year today, whilst holding down a full time job.Pross said:Not cycling sorry but amazed Kevin Sinfield hasn’t had a “promotion” from his OBE. Possible he may have turned something down I suppose but it feels like he has done more meaningful stuff in the last year than most celebs who get knighted.
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I'm not British, but I've never heard of Kevin Sinfield without googling him. Does such a thing enter into the equation?PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230
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Yes.m.r.m. said:I'm not British, but I've never heard of Kevin Sinfield without googling him. Does such a thing enter into the equation?
The most worthy people getting honours are doing good things and are not celebrities.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Oh I get that. I think that is wonderful. Thought sports people were being discussed in a tier system vs each other.PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230
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m.r.m. said:
Oh I get that. I think that is wonderful. Thought sports people were being discussed in a tier system vs each other.
I don't think fame with the British public really comes into it. Sinfield was a big deal in rugby league, but he's charity efforts since retirement that lead people to think he should have more (and I agree).
With sport though I think there's a bias towards certain events (especially the Olympics). Winning in a GB or England search is prized above winning on behalf of a TV company.
This is essentially the point of my thread - the disconnect between what the British establishment/public value versus what the International cycling community values. As I pointed out, only one rider had got an honour without an Olympic gold (now two).DeVlaeminck said:
In that case God tier is just Wiggins.
Cav, Hoy, Froome and possibly Laura Trott/Kenny on the next rung.
Honestly think this forum over estimates how much people Cate about the Olympics these days and under estimates the visibility of road cycling.
I don't think there's another sport that has this disconnect.
I would like to see some sort of experiment. Get all the greats of UK cycling to Bruges and see how long it takes them to walk across the main square, humouring all fans that approach them. I think the Kennys would be largely unhindered. The likes of Walls, Kennaugh and Doull MBE certainly despite their MBEs.
Tao and Yates would take longer and the men's big four + Pidcock would probably need to block out an hour at least.
But that's a cycling heartland. I think Pogacar could walk around Cardiff mostly unbothered and I'd probably not spot Vingegaard. (If it was Roglic I'd just think James from work has lost some weight)Twitter: @RichN950 -
If it adds anything to the conversation, my wife has never heard of Eddy Merckx....RichN95. said:m.r.m. said:Oh I get that. I think that is wonderful. Thought sports people were being discussed in a tier system vs each other.
I don't think fame with the British public really comes into it. Sinfield was a big deal in rugby league, but he's charity efforts since retirement that lead people to think he should have more (and I agree).
With sport though I think there's a bias towards certain events (especially the Olympics). Winning in a GB or England search is prized above winning on behalf of a TV company.
This is essentially the point of my thread - the disconnect between what the British establishment/public value versus what the International cycling community values. As I pointed out, only one rider had got an honour without an Olympic gold (now two).DeVlaeminck said:
In that case God tier is just Wiggins.
Cav, Hoy, Froome and possibly Laura Trott/Kenny on the next rung.
Honestly think this forum over estimates how much people Cate about the Olympics these days and under estimates the visibility of road cycling.
I don't think there's another sport that has this disconnect.
I would like to see some sort of experiment. Get all the greats of UK cycling to Bruges and see how long it takes them to walk across the main square, humouring all fans that approach them. I think the Kennys would be largely unhindered. The likes of Walls, Kennaugh and Doull MBE certainly despite their MBEs.
Tao and Yates would take longer and the men's big four + Pidcock would probably need to block out an hour at least.
But that's a cycling heartland. I think Pogacar could walk around Cardiff mostly unbothered and I'd probably not spot Vingegaard. (If it was Roglic I'd just think James from work has lost some weight)
But she's heard of Froome, Thomas, Wiggins, Hoy, Cavendish and most recently Pidcock
I haven't tested her on every single rider, but that's probably it for the British set.
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If you watch Pointless it is amazing how sportspeople with hugely successful careers are not known / quickly forgotten by the public (assuming the 100 people they use are vaguely representative). Then again most of them struggle to identify top politicians or even well known actors / musicians.0
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On Pointless last night they had a load of photos of sports stars, and AP McCoy was the lowest score with 9! The greatest NH jockey of all time and only 9 knew who he was!
No cyclists there though.0 -
For context it was part of a discussion of Messi v Pele and famePross said:If you watch Pointless it is amazing how sportspeople with hugely successful careers are not known / quickly forgotten by the public (assuming the 100 people they use are vaguely representative). Then again most of them struggle to identify top politicians or even well known actors / musicians.
I reckoned the big 3 sporting figures who *everyone* knows were Pele, Ali, and Tiger Woods
The only cyclist considered close to this category was Lance“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
This is from a tie-breaker round in Mastermind last month:Dorset_Boy said:On Pointless last night they had a load of photos of sports stars, and AP McCoy was the lowest score with 9! The greatest NH jockey of all time and only 9 knew who he was!
No cyclists there though.
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Isn't it an age thing? Do people under 30 know Ali?tailwindhome said:
For context it was part of a discussion of Messi v Pele and famePross said:If you watch Pointless it is amazing how sportspeople with hugely successful careers are not known / quickly forgotten by the public (assuming the 100 people they use are vaguely representative). Then again most of them struggle to identify top politicians or even well known actors / musicians.
I reckoned the big 3 sporting figures who *everyone* knows were Pele, Ali, and Tiger Woods
The only cyclist considered close to this category was Lance0 -
Possibly. Probably even.TheBigBean said:
Isn't it an age thing? Do people under 30 know Ali?tailwindhome said:
For context it was part of a discussion of Messi v Pele and famePross said:If you watch Pointless it is amazing how sportspeople with hugely successful careers are not known / quickly forgotten by the public (assuming the 100 people they use are vaguely representative). Then again most of them struggle to identify top politicians or even well known actors / musicians.
I reckoned the big 3 sporting figures who *everyone* knows were Pele, Ali, and Tiger Woods
The only cyclist considered close to this category was Lance
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Yes. He’s an icon on a par with the likes of Elvis and Marilyn MonroeTheBigBean said:
Isn't it an age thing? Do people under 30 know Ali?tailwindhome said:
For context it was part of a discussion of Messi v Pele and famePross said:If you watch Pointless it is amazing how sportspeople with hugely successful careers are not known / quickly forgotten by the public (assuming the 100 people they use are vaguely representative). Then again most of them struggle to identify top politicians or even well known actors / musicians.
I reckoned the big 3 sporting figures who *everyone* knows were Pele, Ali, and Tiger Woods
The only cyclist considered close to this category was LanceTwitter: @RichN953 -
Exactly as Rich says.
Iconic figure.
The recent blockbuster film about him with the Fresh Prince as him won't have done his legacy any harm..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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just asked same of TDVtailwindhome said:
If it adds anything to the conversation, my wife has never heard of Eddy Merckx....RichN95. said:m.r.m. said:Oh I get that. I think that is wonderful. Thought sports people were being discussed in a tier system vs each other.
I don't think fame with the British public really comes into it. Sinfield was a big deal in rugby league, but he's charity efforts since retirement that lead people to think he should have more (and I agree).
With sport though I think there's a bias towards certain events (especially the Olympics). Winning in a GB or England search is prized above winning on behalf of a TV company.
This is essentially the point of my thread - the disconnect between what the British establishment/public value versus what the International cycling community values. As I pointed out, only one rider had got an honour without an Olympic gold (now two).DeVlaeminck said:
In that case God tier is just Wiggins.
Cav, Hoy, Froome and possibly Laura Trott/Kenny on the next rung.
Honestly think this forum over estimates how much people Cate about the Olympics these days and under estimates the visibility of road cycling.
I don't think there's another sport that has this disconnect.
I would like to see some sort of experiment. Get all the greats of UK cycling to Bruges and see how long it takes them to walk across the main square, humouring all fans that approach them. I think the Kennys would be largely unhindered. The likes of Walls, Kennaugh and Doull MBE certainly despite their MBEs.
Tao and Yates would take longer and the men's big four + Pidcock would probably need to block out an hour at least.
But that's a cycling heartland. I think Pogacar could walk around Cardiff mostly unbothered and I'd probably not spot Vingegaard. (If it was Roglic I'd just think James from work has lost some weight)
But she's heard of Froome, Thomas, Wiggins, Hoy, Cavendish and most recently Pidcock
I haven't tested her on every single rider, but that's probably it for the British set.
Ali
Lance
Froome
Cavendish
Bosrdmsn
Merckx
and of course the wonderful lush MvdP.
No one else from the list above and TDV is like well cleverer than us..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Pele got something like 52 out of 100 on the Pointless round DB was mentioning. David Beckham was top and even he only got 78!tailwindhome said:
For context it was part of a discussion of Messi v Pele and famePross said:If you watch Pointless it is amazing how sportspeople with hugely successful careers are not known / quickly forgotten by the public (assuming the 100 people they use are vaguely representative). Then again most of them struggle to identify top politicians or even well known actors / musicians.
I reckoned the big 3 sporting figures who *everyone* knows were Pele, Ali, and Tiger Woods
The only cyclist considered close to this category was Lance0
