The Big 'Let's sell our cars and take buses/ebikes instead' thread (warning: probably very dull)
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kingstongraham said:
It's obviously an overwhelmingly popular policy.
Obviously the Tories' mistake was not to make their pro-car policy even stronger... rip out bike infrastructure, take subsidies away from public transport to lower the cost of private motoring, taxing cyclists and walkers to use pavements or roads...0 -
Pavements? That's valuable road space being taken up by people who don't display registration plates or pay road tax. Bin them all.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:It's obviously an overwhelmingly popular policy.
Obviously the Tories' mistake was not to make their pro-car policy even stronger... rip out bike infrastructure, take subsidies away from public transport to lower the cost of private motoring, taxing cyclists and walkers to use pavements or roads...0 -
The anti ulez lot ... Seem to spend a lot of time online convincing themselves that they are right and always claim to hold a very clear majority view. Then get spanked at elections. Sort of reminds me of the Corbynites.0
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Do you think the results of a vote purely on adopting ULEZ would be the same as the results of the local council elections?Jezyboy said:The anti ulez lot ... Seem to spend a lot of time online convincing themselves that they are right and always claim to hold a very clear majority view. Then get spanked at elections. Sort of reminds me of the Corbynites.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Do you think Stevo would be making that point if the conservatives had won?- Genesis Croix de Fer
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You can post what you want, but it's irrelevant.pangolin said:"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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You could have at least tried to look like you were addressing the point
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I'm interested to hear what Jezyboy has to say in reply given that Pango has nothing to say on it
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Who knows, either ULEZ isn't as much of an issue as some are making out...or the Tories are total poison, or somewhere between the two.Stevo_666 said:
Do you think the results of a vote purely on adopting ULEZ would be the same as the results of the local council elections?Jezyboy said:The anti ulez lot ... Seem to spend a lot of time online convincing themselves that they are right and always claim to hold a very clear majority view. Then get spanked at elections. Sort of reminds me of the Corbynites.
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It's both.Jezyboy said:
Who knows, either ULEZ isn't as much of an issue as some are making out...or the Tories are total poison, or somewhere between the two.Stevo_666 said:
Do you think the results of a vote purely on adopting ULEZ would be the same as the results of the local council elections?Jezyboy said:The anti ulez lot ... Seem to spend a lot of time online convincing themselves that they are right and always claim to hold a very clear majority view. Then get spanked at elections. Sort of reminds me of the Corbynites.
Even more so for LTNs.0 -
Who knew that saving the planet might be inconvenient?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It's not a big issue for a lot of people, but those it does affect have a fair point, especially as they tend to be the less well off.Jezyboy said:
Who knows, either ULEZ isn't as much of an issue as some are making out...or the Tories are total poison, or somewhere between the two.Stevo_666 said:
Do you think the results of a vote purely on adopting ULEZ would be the same as the results of the local council elections?Jezyboy said:The anti ulez lot ... Seem to spend a lot of time online convincing themselves that they are right and always claim to hold a very clear majority view. Then get spanked at elections. Sort of reminds me of the Corbynites.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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It'll have to be a damned sight more inconvenient to make any meaningful impact.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Sure. But the vociferous objections to my suggestions makes it clear we’re not there yet.
The case for monster investment in public transport is quite clear. Just people currently only know poor public transport so don’t really know what it’s like to have great stuff.0 -
rick_chasey said:
Sure. But the vociferous objections to my suggestions makes it clear we’re not there yet.
The case for monster investment in public transport is quite clear. Just people currently only know poor public transport so don’t really know what it’s like to have great stuff.
Surprisingly, the loathsome Peter Hitchens agrees with you.
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My theory is that most people don't use public transport because it is public and not because of the quality.rick_chasey said:Sure. But the vociferous objections to my suggestions makes it clear we’re not there yet.
The case for monster investment in public transport is quite clear. Just people currently only know poor public transport so don’t really know what it’s like to have great stuff.1 -
I think the two go hand in hand. Too many people don’t know how to behave responsibly in public which can make travelling on public transport less pleasant than it needs to be (it applies to air and ferry travel too but at least the ferry has more space to escape).TheBigBean said:
My theory is that most people don't use public transport because it is public and not because of the quality.rick_chasey said:Sure. But the vociferous objections to my suggestions makes it clear we’re not there yet.
The case for monster investment in public transport is quite clear. Just people currently only know poor public transport so don’t really know what it’s like to have great stuff.0 -
My experience in London does not align with this theory.TheBigBean said:
My theory is that most people don't use public transport because it is public and not because of the quality.rick_chasey said:Sure. But the vociferous objections to my suggestions makes it clear we’re not there yet.
The case for monster investment in public transport is quite clear. Just people currently only know poor public transport so don’t really know what it’s like to have great stuff.0 -
Have you notice the popularity of uber?rick_chasey said:
My experience in London does not align with this theory.TheBigBean said:
My theory is that most people don't use public transport because it is public and not because of the quality.rick_chasey said:Sure. But the vociferous objections to my suggestions makes it clear we’re not there yet.
The case for monster investment in public transport is quite clear. Just people currently only know poor public transport so don’t really know what it’s like to have great stuff.0 -
There's plenty of snobbery about buses as evidenced on this very thread. The same people used to think nothing of jamming their face in someone else's armpit on a crowded train, so 🤷🏻♂️rick_chasey said:
My experience in London does not align with this theory.TheBigBean said:
My theory is that most people don't use public transport because it is public and not because of the quality.rick_chasey said:Sure. But the vociferous objections to my suggestions makes it clear we’re not there yet.
The case for monster investment in public transport is quite clear. Just people currently only know poor public transport so don’t really know what it’s like to have great stuff.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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When the bus reliably goes from the end of our road to where people want to go, it is used.TheBigBean said:
Have you notice the popularity of uber?rick_chasey said:
My experience in London does not align with this theory.TheBigBean said:
My theory is that most people don't use public transport because it is public and not because of the quality.rick_chasey said:Sure. But the vociferous objections to my suggestions makes it clear we’re not there yet.
The case for monster investment in public transport is quite clear. Just people currently only know poor public transport so don’t really know what it’s like to have great stuff.0 -
By everyone?kingstongraham said:
When the bus reliably goes from the end of our road to where people want to go, it is used.TheBigBean said:
Have you notice the popularity of uber?rick_chasey said:
My experience in London does not align with this theory.TheBigBean said:
My theory is that most people don't use public transport because it is public and not because of the quality.rick_chasey said:Sure. But the vociferous objections to my suggestions makes it clear we’re not there yet.
The case for monster investment in public transport is quite clear. Just people currently only know poor public transport so don’t really know what it’s like to have great stuff.0 -
Of course not. Is that how you are judging success?TheBigBean said:
By everyone?kingstongraham said:
When the bus reliably goes from the end of our road to where people want to go, it is used.TheBigBean said:
Have you notice the popularity of uber?rick_chasey said:
My experience in London does not align with this theory.TheBigBean said:
My theory is that most people don't use public transport because it is public and not because of the quality.rick_chasey said:Sure. But the vociferous objections to my suggestions makes it clear we’re not there yet.
The case for monster investment in public transport is quite clear. Just people currently only know poor public transport so don’t really know what it’s like to have great stuff.0 -
I don't think the existence of a bus and some passengers is enough evidence to suggest people would choose public transport if it is available. My definition of success would probably be almost everyone.kingstongraham said:
Of course not. Is that how you are judging success?TheBigBean said:
By everyone?kingstongraham said:
When the bus reliably goes from the end of our road to where people want to go, it is used.TheBigBean said:
Have you notice the popularity of uber?rick_chasey said:
My experience in London does not align with this theory.TheBigBean said:
My theory is that most people don't use public transport because it is public and not because of the quality.rick_chasey said:Sure. But the vociferous objections to my suggestions makes it clear we’re not there yet.
The case for monster investment in public transport is quite clear. Just people currently only know poor public transport so don’t really know what it’s like to have great stuff.0
