The actual I am watching the World Cup thread. No, non World Cup watchers please. Spoilers.
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Would it not be fair to say that up until last night they were strong favourites to win every match? It is hard to judge quality without competing against quality.ugo.santalucia said:I think England did an excellent tournament. Up to last night, probably the most convincing team. Last night they played well, for what I have seen (not a lot) and it could have gone either way... against what is certainly the favourite to win the World cup.
They have performed consistently above their standard since Southgate took charge of the team, so I don't see what the moaning is about...
You win some, you lose some.
Brazil did worse in my opinion, Germany did a lot worse and Italy wasn't even there, so give yourselves some credit.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
because beating Iran, who maybe, just maybe, had their minds elsewhere, scraping a draw against the mighty Yew Ess Ay, beating a totlly awfully Welsh team nd doing, errrr, Senegal were truly awe inspiring victories of the most "convincing" team.
or something like that..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Countries with a better record of reaching/winning WC and Euros finals in my lifetime. Spain, France, Germany, Argentina, Italy, Brazil, the Netherlands, Czechoslovakia, Greece, Denmark, Soviet Union and Portugal.
Those with an equal record of 1 losing final - Czech Republic, Yugoslavia and Croatia (apologies to any nation I've missed out).
Can't help but think our club success (even taking into account that in recent times there are many more non English players) suggests something is seriously wrong with our national team.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
The “we’re the best” attitude is what turns me against too.
Actually thought it was toned down a lot this time, although no longer being in a workplace and now watching almost no mainstream tv probably made a difference to my perception.
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The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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its started for the Euros in The Guardian already and they haven't even made it home yetMidlandsGrimpeur2 said:As @secretsqirrel said, it is essentially The Sun and other rags that hypes England up every tournament! I didn't hear a single England fan predict England would win this WC, and no pundits picked them either. If you actually speak to any England fans, many are pessimistic and think we are cr@p (which is also wrong).
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Spain were rubbish for decadesDeVlaeminck said:Countries with a better record of reaching/winning WC and Euros finals in my lifetime. Spain, France, Germany, Argentina, Italy, Brazil, the Netherlands, Czechoslovakia, Greece, Denmark, Soviet Union and Portugal.
Those with an equal record of 1 losing final - Czech Republic, Yugoslavia and Croatia (apologies to any nation I've missed out).
Can't help but think our club success (even taking into account that in recent times there are many more non English players) suggests something is seriously wrong with our national team.0 -
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England have been rubbish for decadesDeVlaeminck said:Countries with a better record of reaching/winning WC and Euros finals in my lifetime. Spain, France, Germany, Argentina, Italy, Brazil, the Netherlands, Czechoslovakia, Greece, Denmark, Soviet Union and Portugal.
Those with an equal record of 1 losing final - Czech Republic, Yugoslavia and Croatia (apologies to any nation I've missed out).
Can't help but think our club success (even taking into account that in recent times there are many more non English players) suggests something is seriously wrong with our national team..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Updated for yourick_chasey said:
Spain were rubbish for decades Until they started doping with Dr FuentesDeVlaeminck said:Countries with a better record of reaching/winning WC and Euros finals in my lifetime. Spain, France, Germany, Argentina, Italy, Brazil, the Netherlands, Czechoslovakia, Greece, Denmark, Soviet Union and Portugal.
Those with an equal record of 1 losing final - Czech Republic, Yugoslavia and Croatia (apologies to any nation I've missed out).
Can't help but think our club success (even taking into account that in recent times there are many more non English players) suggests something is seriously wrong with our national team.
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its started for the Euros in The Guardian already and they haven't even made it home yet
They will always be hyped up in the media (of all forms). Part of the reason I like this current group of players is that I genuinely think they aren't interested in that side of things, they just want to be good footballers and achieve things. I've heard plenty of older players talk about England players in the past who were more concerned with how it would play in the papers if they lost.
The reason I stopped watching England pre Southgate wasn't because they lost but because they didn't care as much as they should. I like this group because win or lose, they give everything to represent their country, as it should be.0 -
Sounds like a variation on the Monty Hall problem.
If a top class penalty taker misses 1 in 5, and has already scored 1, do you swap taker for the 2nd?
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Croatian woman working behind the bar last night having none of the suggestion Croatia has done well - fed up of them not winning anything apparently...
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
If a top class penalty taker misses 1 in 5, and has already scored 1, do you swap taker for the 2nd?
I don't think anyone, prior to Kane missing, would have even entertained the idea of Kane not taking both pens in a game, should that situation arise. People are only having the debate due to the missed penalty.
World class striker, regular penalty taker, high convsersion rate. Don't think there is any question he should have taken the second one.0 -
FTFYMidlandsGrimpeur2 said:If a top class penalty taker misses 1 in 5, and has already scored 1, do you swap taker for the 2nd?
I don't think anyone, prior to Kane missing, would have even entertained the idea of Kane not taking both pens in a game, should that situation arise. People are only having the debate due to the missed penalty.
World class diver, regular penalty taker, high convsersion rate. Don't think there is any question he should have taken the second one.
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I agree Kane goes down too easily but it is always with contact. Some will argue that is diving, others will say it is part of the game.
Defenders know how he plays, he is going to stand in front of you and block you off so he either rolls you or you go through the back of him. If they are stupid enough to continually make contact and allow him to go down and win free kicks/pens then more fool them.
To be fair, plenty of top class strikers of all nationalities go down too easily, Suarez, Drogba, Inzaghe, Robben, C Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Neymar all dive(d) on a regular basis!
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Which is why moneyball is such a 'kin shite 'sport'. "He touch me, he touch me". And this verbal and pseudo assault on the match referee... Pansies.
Triggered: played once at The Stoop, employer sponsor company vs another part of the commercial world. 'Volunteer' teams, one d!ck amateur kickballer on my team did verbals with the ref. Guess what happened? Pr!ck got post match justified abuse all night long.0 -
I have no idea why they don’t tighten up on giving the ref verbal.
If the ref has no tool to deal with it, change the rules so he does.
Reffed ice hockey for 8 years. Misconduct penalty for verbal. Second one and out the game. It’s a personal penalty that hurts you as a player. It doesn’t skew the game so as a ref you have no hesitation to give them out. Sure, emotions still rise and situations become heated but you don’t get anything like the crap a football ref gets.
Obviously different in that ice hockey rolls a squad of players in and out but football rules should move however they feel they can to accommodate a penalty that will discourage dissent.0 -
The arguing after a card has been given is particularly irritating. The card will never be reversed, so only possible benefit is to influence the next decision.0
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morstar said:
I have no idea why they don’t tighten up on giving the ref verbal.
If the ref has no tool to deal with it, change the rules so he does.
Reffed ice hockey for 8 years. Misconduct penalty for verbal. Second one and out the game. It’s a personal penalty that hurts you as a player. It doesn’t skew the game so as a ref you have no hesitation to give them out. Sure, emotions still rise and situations become heated but you don’t get anything like the censored a football ref gets.
Obviously different in that ice hockey rolls a squad of players in and out but football rules should move however they feel they can to accommodate a penalty that will discourage dissent.
Two things I would take from hockey (field not ice).
1. Have sin bins and green cards (2 minutes sin bin), yellow (5 or 10), red (expulsion - quite rare)..
2. The second is once the free kick is given the fouled team can take it immediately, unless the ref wants to talk to a player. And a player can pass the ball to himself (or herself) from the free kick. It benefits the fouler and foulee to get on with the gameTwitter: @RichN950 -
Seems a bit incongruous having the players not allowed to talk back when the crowd is just out-and-out abusive most of the match.0
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So you're happy with the players giving abuse to the ref?rick_chasey said:Seems a bit incongruous having the players not allowed to talk back when the crowd is just out-and-out abusive most of the match.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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One point to remember.rick_chasey said:Seems a bit incongruous having the players not allowed to talk back when the crowd is just out-and-out abusive most of the match.
The referee's decision is final. Although VAR has a say these days.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
As much as I am the ref and players getting abuse from people in the stands all the time.MattFalle said:.
So you're happy with the players giving abuse to the ref?rick_chasey said:Seems a bit incongruous having the players not allowed to talk back when the crowd is just out-and-out abusive most of the match.
Seems odd a player can get sent off for that when the response is thousands of other men calling the ref the same.
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Would be a bit problematic sending off a crowd but verbal abuse shouldn't be tolerated. Buying a ticket* does not give any special rights. This is a separate issue to player dissent.
*Full disclosure, I have an opinion on a sizeable percentage of football fans based on personal experience. It is not a good one.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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As much as I am the ref and players getting abuse from people in the stands all the time.MattFalle said:.
So you're happy with the players giving abuse to the ref?rick_chasey said:Seems a bit incongruous having the players not allowed to talk back when the crowd is just out-and-out abusive most of the match.
Seems odd a player can get sent off for that when the response is thousands of other men calling the ref the same.
Doesn't seem odd at all: the players should be setting a good example, and if it's not part of their contract, it should be. Same principle holds in most walks of life.0 -
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Ever wondered why there's a shortage of referees at grass routes level?rick_chasey said:Really? You’re in a sea of swearing but if you do you’re sent off?!
But then you probably don't care as that does come into the 'reality' of Pro Football Manager or whatever game it is that you base it all on.
The antic of the players has an effect in other sports too.1 -
This is wrong, I have seen plenty of games where the second penalty is taken by a different player and it was very much a debate in my house.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:If a top class penalty taker misses 1 in 5, and has already scored 1, do you swap taker for the 2nd?
I don't think anyone, prior to Kane missing, would have even entertained the idea of Kane not taking both pens in a game, should that situation arise. People are only having the debate due to the missed penalty.
World class striker, regular penalty taker, high convsersion rate. Don't think there is any question he should have taken the second one.
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DeVlaeminck said:
Countries with a better record of reaching/winning WC and Euros finals in my lifetime. Spain, France, Germany, Argentina, Italy, Brazil, the Netherlands, Czechoslovakia, Greece, Denmark, Soviet Union and Portugal.
Those with an equal record of 1 losing final - Czech Republic, Yugoslavia and Croatia (apologies to any nation I've missed out).
Can't help but think our club success (even taking into account that in recent times there are many more non English players) suggests something is seriously wrong with our national team.DeVlaeminck said:Countries with a better record of reaching/winning WC and Euros finals in my lifetime. Spain, France, Germany, Argentina, Italy, Brazil, the Netherlands, Czechoslovakia, Greece, Denmark, Soviet Union and Portugal.
Those with an equal record of 1 losing final - Czech Republic, Yugoslavia and Croatia (apologies to any nation I've missed out).
Can't help but think our club success (even taking into account that in recent times there are many more non English players) suggests something is seriously wrong with our national team.
I would argue that for a country of 45 million we are doing alright, for a country of 45 million last 16 is par and last 8 is doing well.DeVlaeminck said:Countries with a better record of reaching/winning WC and Euros finals in my lifetime. Spain, France, Germany, Argentina, Italy, Brazil, the Netherlands, Czechoslovakia, Greece, Denmark, Soviet Union and Portugal.
Those with an equal record of 1 losing final - Czech Republic, Yugoslavia and Croatia (apologies to any nation I've missed out).
Can't help but think our club success (even taking into account that in recent times there are many more non English players) suggests something is seriously wrong with our national team.
In your list the countries consistently doing better than us all have far bigger populations to select from.0 -
Look I grew up a middle class kid and in my local under 11s team the parents of the rough kids (usually the strikers haha) would always be swearing. Usually at their own kids.Dorset_Boy said:
Ever wondered why there's a shortage of referees at grass routes level?rick_chasey said:Really? You’re in a sea of swearing but if you do you’re sent off?!
But then you probably don't care as that does come into the 'reality' of Pro Football Manager or whatever game it is that you base it all on.
The antic of the players has an effect in other sports too.
Was the same in the stands at Cambridge united, same at Chelsea.
Even at Fulham in the neutrals section you can hear an arm full of F words.
I mean, you should hear the chants when I was with the away fans at the Sheffield derby. Spent most of the half calling the keeper a nonce.
I get the logic, I just think the rugby types who make out you can crack down on it seem to miss the context and the point.
No-one will admit it but the ability to say absolutely whatever you want in the stands is part and parcel of the game and I think a hell of a lot of fans, the ones who actually travel and pay, would be very against banning swearing from the stadium.
It's football, it's tribal, this is all the sh!t that comes with it.0
