The actual I am watching the World Cup thread. No, non World Cup watchers please. Spoilers.
Comments
-
He is 27 years old in the prime of his career, in the 26 games for England he has scored against Andorra and against a well beaten Iran. I can not find his start for assists so it may be zero.DeVlaeminck said:surrey_commuter said:
He should have stayed at Villa and been a heroseanoconn said:
The amount of possession Grealish has is the problem, slowing the pace of the game with little attacking threat and drawing fouls in non-threatening areas. Might be ok if you’re defending a lead but not for trying to win a game.DeVlaeminck said:surrey_commuter said:
I think he has snookered himself as he has no alternative to Kane and he looked unfit/injured.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:No idea on the Southgate Foden vs Mount issue. I suspect he does think he is a wide player. Grealish is the direct replacement for Mount hence why he always subs him for Jack.
Completely agree on the defensive nature, against both Croatia and Italy we were attacking and on top and the risk averse side of him kicked in and tried to protect the lead.
I don't think he doesn't know what to do or how to change things. He chooses not to, he feels he is making the right decisions and sticks to them. Like I said, he is conservative in approach and feels keeping it tight and taking the result on offer in light of this (a draw in last night's case) is the best approach.
He will also have an eye on the tournament as a whole. They got a good win first game, he wanted to protect their position and not lose yesterday. He will see the group stage as something to be navigated and play each game accordingly, rather than just attack and go all out every game.
Grealish is a show pony with no end product with no defensive discipline (even Sterling is better) so it beggars belief that anybody could prefer him to Foden.
Grealish holds the ball in high positions better than Sterling, Rashford or Saka he gives possession away less than them too. What he doesn't offer is the same goal threat but in some recent Man City games Grealish has been their best player. I wouldn't object to Grealish left, Foden right, Maddison behind and a number 9 who plays as a 9. Swings and roundabouts - you can make the case for Sterling, Saka or Rashford too depending on how we want to play.
For me Grealish has been consistently pretty good for England. The evidence from the other night when he came on suggests he does draw fouls in dangerous areas and does create big chances - the backheel to (I think) Foden being one.
His running with the ball drags opposition players about and creates space for others - sometimes slowing it down allows team mates to get up in support notably Kane who spends so much time in deep positions.
He has played 130 premier league games scoring 19 goals and 19 assists.
You have been conned into thinking he is a good player.0 -
Foden's scored a goal every 130 minutes of play this season. 7 goals in 14 league games sounds like good form.
Grealish seems a player to bring on to slow the game down and get fouled. Which he is very good at.0 -
Fixed for youkingstongraham said:Foden's scored a goal every 130 minutes of play this season. 7 goals in 14 league games sounds like good form.
Grealish seems a player to bring on to slow the game down and fall over, cheating out a foul. Which he is very good at.
0 -
Pet hate but people knowingly doing things that are punished with free kicks and cards isn’t cheating. It’s just playing game.
If they gave a goal to the opposition every time someone dived they stay on their feet as much as they could.
0 -
He started 22 matches for the champions last year so it's obviously a sought after skill.Dorset_Boy said:
Fixed for youkingstongraham said:Foden's scored a goal every 130 minutes of play this season. 7 goals in 14 league games sounds like good form.
Grealish seems a player to bring on to slow the game down and fall over, cheating out a foul. Which he is very good at.
He gets kicked and goes down. It's not him that's breaking the rules there.0 -
There's unwritten rules.rick_chasey said:Pet hate but people knowingly doing things that are punished with free kicks and cards isn’t cheating. It’s just playing game.
If they gave a goal to the opposition every time someone dived they stay on their feet as much as they could.
Diving is cheating, unless there's enough contact to justify going down
Hand ball is cheating, if its to score, but OK if defending, unless on the goal line.
Fouling to prevent a quick attack is OK, unless it's a too obvious shirt pull
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
They’re for mugs, especially when stakes are high.tailwindhome said:
There's unwritten rules.rick_chasey said:Pet hate but people knowingly doing things that are punished with free kicks and cards isn’t cheating. It’s just playing game.
If they gave a goal to the opposition every time someone dived they stay on their feet as much as they could.
Diving is cheating, unless there's enough contact to justify going down
Hand ball is cheating, if its to score, but OK if defending, unless on the goal line.
Fouling to prevent a quick attack is OK, unless it's a too obvious shirt pull
If I was coach I’d bang on and on about playing fairly publicly and tell them to dive as much as they could get away with, along with cynical fouls, the lot.0 -
He played 26 league games and scored 3 goals, surely that is the output of a fullback.kingstongraham said:
He started 22 matches for the champions last year so it's obviously a sought after skill.Dorset_Boy said:
Fixed for youkingstongraham said:Foden's scored a goal every 130 minutes of play this season. 7 goals in 14 league games sounds like good form.
Grealish seems a player to bring on to slow the game down and fall over, cheating out a foul. Which he is very good at.
He gets kicked and goes down. It's not him that's breaking the rules there.
If I played up front for City last year I would have been disappointed if I did not get 3 goals.0 -
Decent paycheque however and like City caresurrey_commuter said:
He played 26 league games and scored 3 goals, surely that is the output of a fullback.kingstongraham said:
He started 22 matches for the champions last year so it's obviously a sought after skill.Dorset_Boy said:
Fixed for youkingstongraham said:Foden's scored a goal every 130 minutes of play this season. 7 goals in 14 league games sounds like good form.
Grealish seems a player to bring on to slow the game down and fall over, cheating out a foul. Which he is very good at.
He gets kicked and goes down. It's not him that's breaking the rules there.
If I played up front for City last year I would have been disappointed if I did not get 3 goals.0 -
The man who actually got to select him chose to play him over anything else money could buy. And won. So there's that.surrey_commuter said:
He played 26 league games and scored 3 goals, surely that is the output of a fullback.kingstongraham said:
He started 22 matches for the champions last year so it's obviously a sought after skill.Dorset_Boy said:
Fixed for youkingstongraham said:Foden's scored a goal every 130 minutes of play this season. 7 goals in 14 league games sounds like good form.
Grealish seems a player to bring on to slow the game down and fall over, cheating out a foul. Which he is very good at.
He gets kicked and goes down. It's not him that's breaking the rules there.
If I played up front for City last year I would have been disappointed if I did not get 3 goals.0 -
I think England should drop Saka for the benefit of his employers.0
-
Except it isn’t anybody else that money can buy as they have to meet a quota of “home grown” players. If it wasn’t for that do you not think City could find somebody a lot cheaper to fall over a lot?kingstongraham said:
The man who actually got to select him chose to play him over anything else money could buy. And won. So there's that.surrey_commuter said:
He played 26 league games and scored 3 goals, surely that is the output of a fullback.kingstongraham said:
He started 22 matches for the champions last year so it's obviously a sought after skill.Dorset_Boy said:
Fixed for youkingstongraham said:Foden's scored a goal every 130 minutes of play this season. 7 goals in 14 league games sounds like good form.
Grealish seems a player to bring on to slow the game down and fall over, cheating out a foul. Which he is very good at.
He gets kicked and goes down. It's not him that's breaking the rules there.
If I played up front for City last year I would have been disappointed if I did not get 3 goals.0 -
Who decided on Shearer as a co-commentator, he is bad enough as a pundit.0
-
Don’t mind Shearer as a pundit, fairly sensible and honest.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:Who decided on Shearer as a co-commentator, he is bad enough as a pundit.
Pinno, מלך אידיוט וחרא מכונאי0 -
Agree he is a straight up bloke, just never found him that insightful as a pundit. Particularly for someone who was a genuinely world class footballer. His analysis always seems a bit obvious.0
-
Maybe that’s because it is all fairly obvious at the end of the day despite all the people who get paid to make it sound more complicated?MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:Agree he is a straight up bloke, just never found him that insightful as a pundit. Particularly for someone who was a genuinely world class footballer. His analysis always seems a bit obvious.
0 -
This is the kind of analysis you’d hope for:Pross said:
Maybe that’s because it is all fairly obvious at the end of the day despite all the people who get paid to make it sound more complicated?MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:Agree he is a straight up bloke, just never found him that insightful as a pundit. Particularly for someone who was a genuinely world class footballer. His analysis always seems a bit obvious.
https://youtu.be/4wAG5ZUJ4eI 0 -
It is simple, but give us more insight. Germany have a corner just now in the last minute. Shearer "you want a quality ball". Yes, but you were one of the best attacking headers of a ball in the game. Tell us where you would you want the cross placed, where you would start your run from, how you would shake off your marker etc. You have an insight into this game none if us have had, share it!0
-
TBF it is tricky to do that in real-time during a match though. I don’t watch MOTD much but isn’t that the sort of thing he does on there with the big screen and moving players around to show where they should have been running?0
-
It’s mainly “look at that” which is a favourite of his and then he’ll highlight some player in loads of space and he’ll say “you’ve got to get closer - it’s unacceptable” and then they’ll see a chance and he’ll say “he’s got to do better than that”Pross said:TBF it is tricky to do that in real-time during a match though. I don’t watch MOTD much but isn’t that the sort of thing he does on there with the big screen and moving players around to show where they should have been running?
It’s all the chat they get told at training without the swearing.0 -
he has a history of not knowing how to behave so maybe he has erred againFirst.Aspect said:
Seems to be either him or mount. Who was poor yesterday.kingstongraham said:I just want to see Foden play football.
I reckon Foden must have made a joke about Southgate's nose at some point, and that's why he's always on the bench.0 -
Cameroon v Serbia - Cameroon come back from 3-1 down to make it 3-3 with 18 minutes left to play . . . it's a cracker!Wilier Izoard XP0
-
Let's just play 11 centre forwards then we'll score shed loads.surrey_commuter said:
He is 27 years old in the prime of his career, in the 26 games for England he has scored against Andorra and against a well beaten Iran. I can not find his start for assists so it may be zero.DeVlaeminck said:surrey_commuter said:
He should have stayed at Villa and been a heroseanoconn said:
The amount of possession Grealish has is the problem, slowing the pace of the game with little attacking threat and drawing fouls in non-threatening areas. Might be ok if you’re defending a lead but not for trying to win a game.DeVlaeminck said:surrey_commuter said:
I think he has snookered himself as he has no alternative to Kane and he looked unfit/injured.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:No idea on the Southgate Foden vs Mount issue. I suspect he does think he is a wide player. Grealish is the direct replacement for Mount hence why he always subs him for Jack.
Completely agree on the defensive nature, against both Croatia and Italy we were attacking and on top and the risk averse side of him kicked in and tried to protect the lead.
I don't think he doesn't know what to do or how to change things. He chooses not to, he feels he is making the right decisions and sticks to them. Like I said, he is conservative in approach and feels keeping it tight and taking the result on offer in light of this (a draw in last night's case) is the best approach.
He will also have an eye on the tournament as a whole. They got a good win first game, he wanted to protect their position and not lose yesterday. He will see the group stage as something to be navigated and play each game accordingly, rather than just attack and go all out every game.
Grealish is a show pony with no end product with no defensive discipline (even Sterling is better) so it beggars belief that anybody could prefer him to Foden.
Grealish holds the ball in high positions better than Sterling, Rashford or Saka he gives possession away less than them too. What he doesn't offer is the same goal threat but in some recent Man City games Grealish has been their best player. I wouldn't object to Grealish left, Foden right, Maddison behind and a number 9 who plays as a 9. Swings and roundabouts - you can make the case for Sterling, Saka or Rashford too depending on how we want to play.
For me Grealish has been consistently pretty good for England. The evidence from the other night when he came on suggests he does draw fouls in dangerous areas and does create big chances - the backheel to (I think) Foden being one.
His running with the ball drags opposition players about and creates space for others - sometimes slowing it down allows team mates to get up in support notably Kane who spends so much time in deep positions.
He has played 130 premier league games scoring 19 goals and 19 assists.
You have been conned into thinking he is a good player.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
I get your point but I wouldn't want the football equivalent of ITVs Tour coverage where the assumption seems to be the viewer has never watched the sport before and requires the bleedin' obvious explained every time it happens.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:It is simple, but give us more insight. Germany have a corner just now in the last minute. Shearer "you want a quality ball". Yes, but you were one of the best attacking headers of a ball in the game. Tell us where you would you want the cross placed, where you would start your run from, how you would shake off your marker etc. You have an insight into this game none if us have had, share it!
Shearer is just a poor pundit though - I know that attitude, commitment, work rate etc are a huge part of football but I rarely hear Shearer offer anything beyond that level of insight.
I was surprised some of the female pundits were compared unfavourably with him on here because for my money their analysis is generally far more insightful.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Man City have space for another 3 non-home grown players in their squad this season if they wanted them.surrey_commuter said:
Except it isn’t anybody else that money can buy as they have to meet a quota of “home grown” players. If it wasn’t for that do you not think City could find somebody a lot cheaper to fall over a lot?kingstongraham said:
The man who actually got to select him chose to play him over anything else money could buy. And won. So there's that.surrey_commuter said:
He played 26 league games and scored 3 goals, surely that is the output of a fullback.kingstongraham said:
He started 22 matches for the champions last year so it's obviously a sought after skill.Dorset_Boy said:
Fixed for youkingstongraham said:Foden's scored a goal every 130 minutes of play this season. 7 goals in 14 league games sounds like good form.
Grealish seems a player to bring on to slow the game down and fall over, cheating out a foul. Which he is very good at.
He gets kicked and goes down. It's not him that's breaking the rules there.
If I played up front for City last year I would have been disappointed if I did not get 3 goals.0 -
-
Just saw the challenge on Neymar that ITV showed where he injured his ankle. It looked more like he stood on the defenders foot and went over than the other player caught him but couldn't wind back to check what I'd seen. Was it that bad a tackle?0
-
Portugal v Uruguay already showing prime primadonna-ing. "He touch me, he touch me..." I do want to see Suarez get subbed on then bite Me-Me-Me-CR7. Moneyballer waynekers.0
-
Foden.2
-
RashfordPinno, מלך אידיוט וחרא מכונאי3
