Musky

orraloon

morstar said:

Musk is quite evidently an odious, narcissistic character.
I find the idolisation when his flaws are so apparent weird.

One simple example: call the diver involved in that Thai cave rescue a "pedo". The Muskrat is just a (very enriched) pr1ck.

focuszing723

morstar said:

focuszing723 said:

pinno said:

focuszing723 said:

morstar said:

By deduction, are we idolising Hitler for pushing rocket science forwards and providing the foundation for modern space flight?

Don't forget computers too, with the Enigma.

I obviously take your idolise with a pinch of salt. The by-product of rapid evolution to maintain supremacy.

Maintain supremacy over what?
The by-product of rapid evolution has resource implications.
The human race is not 'supreme'. The human race has become parasitical. We are no better than Leeches.
An intelligent parasite doesn't kill it's host. We're not collectively intelligent enough to preserve our host.

Musk should spend his money on anthropological or environmental concerns.
He can fcuk off to Mars for all I care. In fact, please fcuk off to Mars Musky.

I get your passionate response Pinno and to be serious, yeah sure it would be great to see Humanity calm it down and live for needs not wants. However...

You wouldn't be doing what you're doing right now having the incredible experience of being able to communicate with people around the World without people like Musk.

If all of humanity thought within confined limits we would be no way near as evolved with the positives and negatives with it.

What happens if an asteroid happens to be in Earths path? It won't matter how green Humanity has become.

Look at Starlink being able to provide the internet to anywhere in the world including someone in a boat on the sea. Reusable rockets has provided that.

Porsche, great cars. Turbo/GT3 RS 993, wow! Completely irrelevant with regards getting someone from A to B in a sustainable environmental way. Look at the technology/safety which has filtered down through Motorsport though.

No, Humanity needs people like Musk to push passed what is considered possible. Do we want everyone to be like that on Earth? No, we want them to be 912s.

I have made your key point myself many times.

However, you need to recognise that these people who drive change are often seriously flawed people. Extreme at both ends.

Musk is quite evidently an odious, narcissistic character.
I find the idolisation when his flaws are so apparent weird.

Reality/Humanity is weird full stop.

And you may ask yourself, "Well, how did I get here?"...

rjsterry

rick_chasey said:

what about it? smashed it in 2 years.

what other animal could do that?

Pffft. At astronomical cost - your recurring complaints about the trains are largely a result of the economic impact of the lockdowns to pick one tiny example.

And we haven't smashed it - it's still very much out and about causing trouble and now evades immunity. And it's a puppy compared with other pathogens.

We're all just trying to pass on our DNA and for all our cleverness we've only been around for a blink of an eye in evolutionary terms, so it's a bit early to be claiming superiority over species that have survived multiple mass extinctions.

briantrumpet

Fungus too. It's everywhere.

I've got this on the to-be-read pile - apparently it's a brilliant book.

rjsterry

briantrumpet said:

Fungus too. It's everywhere.

I've got this on the to-be-read pile - apparently it's a brilliant book.

Oh hell yes! And fungus has cracked mind control of animals.

focuszing723

Given what evolved intelligence on Earth has achieved in such a sort period of time 4.3bn/Universe 13.7bn years . There must already be Intelligence that can evolve at a rapid rate in terms of speed/capacity and interplanetary travel which comes with it.

It doesn't explain the Fermi paradox though, why haven't we observed this.

Fascinating. I still keep thinking about the observations from the Nimitz from credible sources.

briantrumpet

Incidentally, I've a young friend who's started a biophysics PhD in Amsterdam on how bacteria 'predict the future'... but do they know I plan to be eating cake in Dawlish this afternoon? Ha... not that clever then...

Oh, hang on, I've just told them. Idiot.

rick_chasey

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

what about it? smashed it in 2 years.

what other animal could do that?

Pffft. At astronomical cost - your recurring complaints about the trains are largely a result of the economic impact of the lockdowns to pick one tiny example.

And we haven't smashed it - it's still very much out and about causing trouble and now evades immunity. And it's a puppy compared with other pathogens.

We're all just trying to pass on our DNA and for all our cleverness we've only been around for a blink of an eye in evolutionary terms, so it's a bit early to be claiming superiority over species that have survived multiple mass extinctions.

We can play god with any other species.

focuszing723

Perhaps an evolved species is our God. Created our reality.

rjsterry

rick_chasey said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

what about it? smashed it in 2 years.

what other animal could do that?

Pffft. At astronomical cost - your recurring complaints about the trains are largely a result of the economic impact of the lockdowns to pick one tiny example.

And we haven't smashed it - it's still very much out and about causing trouble and now evades immunity. And it's a puppy compared with other pathogens.

We're all just trying to pass on our DNA and for all our cleverness we've only been around for a blink of an eye in evolutionary terms, so it's a bit early to be claiming superiority over species that have survived multiple mass extinctions.

We can play god with any other species.

What does that even mean? We can hunt something to extinction? Given that all the other hominin species are extinct I'm not sure that is quite the superpower you suggest. The relative lack of diversity also tells us that we were almost wiped out at one point.

morstar

If you put tackling covid against the fact we are potentially on track to make the planet uninhabitable in very short order…

It’s deckchairs on the titanic stuff.

focuszing723

morstar said:

If you put tackling covid against the fact we are potentially on track to make the planet uninhabitable in very short order…

It’s deckchairs on the titanic stuff.

We will just make Earth uninhabitable for Humans for a period. Earth will be fine and life will evolve again. It might not be after an asteroid strike though.

rjsterry

We've dealt with a few of those as a planet. Something will prevail.
https://www.evogeneao.com/en/learn/tree-of-life
We're just the tiniest bit at the very end where we split from chimps.

briantrumpet

I think I might pop over to the things that cheer me up thread now.

morstar

focuszing723 said:

morstar said:

If you put tackling covid against the fact we are potentially on track to make the planet uninhabitable in very short order…

It’s deckchairs on the titanic stuff.

We will just make Earth uninhabitable for Humans for a period. Earth will be fine and life will evolve again. It might not be after an asteroid strike though.

So, let’s work on the theory that the planet is going to experience a catastrophic event that will wipe out most life.

Let’s suppose Musk has us living on Mars.

What about when our solar system gets wiped?

What about when our galaxy gets wiped?

What about when the Universe gets wiped?

Timescales are enormous but all these eventualities are a given.

How much effort should we put into pursuit of denying the inevitability of death?

rjsterry

briantrumpet said:

I think I might pop over to the things that cheer me up thread now.

Come back, we haven't to ponder the futility of existence in an unmeasurable void yet!

briantrumpet

rjsterry said:

briantrumpet said:

I think I might pop over to the things that cheer me up thread now.

Come back, we haven't to ponder the futility of existence in an unmeasurable void yet!

I'm planning on being eaten by worms or turned into fungus or bacterial shït when I die, if that cheers you up.

rjsterry

morstar said:

focuszing723 said:

morstar said:

If you put tackling covid against the fact we are potentially on track to make the planet uninhabitable in very short order…

It’s deckchairs on the titanic stuff.

We will just make Earth uninhabitable for Humans for a period. Earth will be fine and life will evolve again. It might not be after an asteroid strike though.

So, let’s work on the theory that the planet is going to experience a catastrophic event that will wipe out most life.

Let’s suppose Musk has us living on Mars.

What about when our solar system gets wiped?

What about when our galaxy gets wiped?

What about when the Universe gets wiped?

Timescales are enormous but all these eventualities are a given.

How much effort should we put into pursuit of denying the inevitability of death?

I'm not sure it's worth worrying about when we have more immediate problems.

focuszing723

morstar said:

focuszing723 said:

morstar said:

If you put tackling covid against the fact we are potentially on track to make the planet uninhabitable in very short order…

It’s deckchairs on the titanic stuff.

We will just make Earth uninhabitable for Humans for a period. Earth will be fine and life will evolve again. It might not be after an asteroid strike though.

So, let’s work on the theory that the planet is going to experience a catastrophic event that will wipe out most life.

Let’s suppose Musk has us living on Mars.

What about when our solar system gets wiped?

What about when our galaxy gets wiped?

What about when the Universe gets wiped?

Timescales are enormous but all these eventualities are a given.

How much effort should we put into pursuit of denying the inevitability of death?

Getting intelligent life multi planetary is an achievable goal though. The other questions can be answered with the evolution of intelligence in whatever form. At least it will exist to try though, just the same as other living organisms have a chance to let their DNA continue on Earth.

I guess that's up to pioneers and the rest of humanity to buy into it.

pinno

briantrumpet said:

rjsterry said:

briantrumpet said:

I think I might pop over to the things that cheer me up thread now.

Come back, we haven't to ponder the futility of existence in an unmeasurable void yet!

I'm planning on being eaten by worms or turned into fungus or bacterial shït when I die, if that cheers you up.

I'll be ashes. Well, when the machine that grinds up the remains has been fixed after breaking down when my titanium bits get jammed in it.

pinno

focuszing723 said:

morstar said:

If you put tackling covid against the fact we are potentially on track to make the planet uninhabitable in very short order…

It’s deckchairs on the titanic stuff.

We will just make Earth uninhabitable for Humans for a period. Earth will be fine and life will evolve again. It might not be after an asteroid strike though.

Current risk is about once every 66 million years.

briantrumpet

pinno said:

briantrumpet said:

rjsterry said:

briantrumpet said:

I think I might pop over to the things that cheer me up thread now.

Come back, we haven't to ponder the futility of existence in an unmeasurable void yet!

I'm planning on being eaten by worms or turned into fungus or bacterial shït when I die, if that cheers you up.

I'll be ashes. Well, when the machine that grinds up the remains has been fixed after breaking down when my titanium bits get jammed in it.

The undertakers asked me whether I wanted my mum's hip after she'd been bruléed, so they obviously put on gloves and take out the lumpy bits, so no need to worry about the machine. Knowing that, perhaps the ultimate Lego build would be one that pulps you after you're gone.

pblakeney

pinno said:

focuszing723 said:

morstar said:

If you put tackling covid against the fact we are potentially on track to make the planet uninhabitable in very short order…

It’s deckchairs on the titanic stuff.

We will just make Earth uninhabitable for Humans for a period. Earth will be fine and life will evolve again. It might not be after an asteroid strike though.

Current risk is about once every 66 million years.

I'd guess pretty much the same odds for Mars. What's plan C for that eventuality?
PS - When did it last happen?

rjsterry

65mya.
So we are due, plus or minus a thousand millennia.

It's really tricky to get your head around the timescales.

pblakeney

rjsterry said:

65mya.
So we are due, plus or minus a thousand millennia.

It's really tricky to get your head around the timescales.

So should we party on before it happens or just not GAF as it's not a concern?
I'm happy either way tbh. Mars doesn't seem as appealing I must say.

focuszing723

pinno said:

focuszing723 said:

morstar said:

If you put tackling covid against the fact we are potentially on track to make the planet uninhabitable in very short order…

It’s deckchairs on the titanic stuff.

We will just make Earth uninhabitable for Humans for a period. Earth will be fine and life will evolve again. It might not be after an asteroid strike though.

Current risk is about once every 66 million years.

OK, until then, what about a Zombie apocalypse?

briantrumpet

focuszing723 said:

pinno said:

focuszing723 said:

morstar said:

If you put tackling covid against the fact we are potentially on track to make the planet uninhabitable in very short order…

It’s deckchairs on the titanic stuff.

We will just make Earth uninhabitable for Humans for a period. Earth will be fine and life will evolve again. It might not be after an asteroid strike though.

Current risk is about once every 66 million years.

OK, until then, what about a Zombie apocalypse?

Is that a cocktail? If so, yes please.

rjsterry

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

65mya.
So we are due, plus or minus a thousand millennia.

It's really tricky to get your head around the timescales.

So should we party on before it happens or just not GAF as it's not a concern?
I'm happy either way tbh. Mars doesn't seem as appealing I must say.

Well, we are actively looking for asteroids that are a threat and we've tested a way of diverting the same, so I think we are planning to see this one through.

pblakeney

I’ll go down the NGAF route then. Thanks.

pinno

focuszing723 said:

pinno said:

focuszing723 said:

morstar said:

If you put tackling covid against the fact we are potentially on track to make the planet uninhabitable in very short order…

It’s deckchairs on the titanic stuff.

We will just make Earth uninhabitable for Humans for a period. Earth will be fine and life will evolve again. It might not be after an asteroid strike though.

Current risk is about once every 66 million years.

OK, until then, what about a Zombie apocalypse?

Fair enough. You should have said that in the first place.