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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,484
    blazing_saddles said:

    pblakeney said:

    shirley_basso said:



    I still don't get this. A (nice) case of wine in the loft will potentially spoil if left over summer / freeze over winter.

    Beer/white wine/bubbly in the winter only, chilled, never frozen. Maybe I'm lucky with weather or roof insulation. Maybe I need to increase ceiling insulation. Either way, works perfectly for me.
    Family member of mine lost an absolute mint in top quality wine which he kept in the attic over a cold winter.
    Not a problem that I am likely to face.
    Mine is not worth a fortune, and isn't kept for long. 🤣
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  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    edited September 2022
    That makes more sense!

    I keep drinking wine in the rack in the kitchen, nice wine in the cupboard under the stairs and the really good wine is in proper storage until ready for quaffing.

    Anecdotally my brother left a case of vintage port in the attic for 15 years or so - actually came out in surprisingly good nick. I think port is more resistant to temp fluctuations.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    shirley_basso said:

    That makes more sense!

    I keep drinking wine in the rack in the kitchen, nice wine in the cupboard under the stairs and the really good wine is in proper storage until ready for quaffing.

    Anecdotally my brother left a case of vintage port in the attic for 15 years or so - actually came out in surprisingly good nick. I think port is more resistant to temp fluctuations.

    always order the quality of your wine by how had it is to access
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,024
    Negative power price at the moment. -£70/MWh

    https://electricinsights.co.uk/#/homepage?&_k=5gllck
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,700
    Glad it's a little less chilly today... was nowhere near turning on any heating last night, but I ditched the shorts and put on a hoodie, and it was still only September... banking on another month before the heating has to go on...
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,700
    surrey_commuter said:

    shirley_basso said:

    That makes more sense!

    I keep drinking wine in the rack in the kitchen, nice wine in the cupboard under the stairs and the really good wine is in proper storage until ready for quaffing.

    Anecdotally my brother left a case of vintage port in the attic for 15 years or so - actually came out in surprisingly good nick. I think port is more resistant to temp fluctuations.

    always order the quality of your wine by how had it is to access

    I have to hide the best wine at the back of a kitchen cupboard under lots of kitchen stuff... struck gold when I found one a few years ago that had been forgotten there... can't now remember what it was, but it was a Premier Cru something, had been sitting there for about ten years having been given to me by someone who was dispersing her late father's cellar, and it was one of the best wines I've ever tasted. Glad I didn't know how much it would have cost per glug.
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  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,660
    TheBigBean said:

    Negative power price at the moment. -£70/MWh

    https://electricinsights.co.uk/#/homepage?&_k=5gllck

    Averaging well over 50% of our power just from wind so far in October (i.e. just today), good going!
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660

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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,592
    Isn’t it the job of The Express to do the first ‘coldest winter in history’ article of the year?
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,700
    Pah, windows and doors open, shorts and T-shirt time, the sun's out, take that, Ivan!!


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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,801
    rick_chasey said:


    Dont panic. Long range weather forecasts are no better than guesses.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • drhaggis
    drhaggis Posts: 1,150
    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:


    Dont panic. Long range weather forecasts are no better than guesses.
    Except this is climate, not weather.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,801
    drhaggis said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:


    Dont panic. Long range weather forecasts are no better than guesses.
    Except this is climate, not weather.
    They're forecasting the weather this winter. Or trying to.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,700
    Stevo_666 said:

    drhaggis said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:


    Dont panic. Long range weather forecasts are no better than guesses.
    Except this is climate, not weather.
    They're forecasting the weather this winter. Or trying to.

    Indeed. Met Office add loads of caveats, and say 3-6 months is basically guesswork based on likelihoods of global phenomena.

    But looking just average for the UK for up to 3 months, based on the science as it stands.




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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,484
    Interesting that the data is applied to most of the World with the exception of Uk, Iceland and Greenland. 🤔
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,700
    pblakeney said:

    Interesting that the data is applied to most of the World with the exception of Uk, Iceland and Greenland. 🤔


    I think that's just showing that there's no deviation there from normal. The coloured areas are the expected deviations. Note that there are uncoloured areas right in the midst of that too.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,484
    edited October 2022
    briantrumpet said:

    pblakeney said:

    Interesting that the data is applied to most of the World with the exception of Uk, Iceland and Greenland. 🤔


    I think that's just showing that there's no deviation there from normal. The coloured areas are the expected deviations. Note that there are uncoloured areas right in the midst of that too.
    ...except "grey" denotes no deviation from normal, and most of the white areas are bodies of water. 🤔 Except the Middle East desert. 🤣
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,700
    pblakeney said:

    briantrumpet said:

    pblakeney said:

    Interesting that the data is applied to most of the World with the exception of Uk, Iceland and Greenland. 🤔


    I think that's just showing that there's no deviation there from normal. The coloured areas are the expected deviations. Note that there are uncoloured areas right in the midst of that too.
    ...except "grey" denotes no deviation from normal, and most of the white areas are bodies of water. 🤔 Except the Middle East desert. 🤣

    Oh, I see what you mean. Blowed if I know then.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,484
    Ofgem repeating Rick's concerns about supply.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63118574
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  • photonic69
    photonic69 Posts: 2,962
    pblakeney said:

    Ofgem repeating Rick's concerns about supply.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63118574

    So if gas is cut to electricity generators so it can be diverted to heat homes and for cooking then it's pretty pointless as modern boilers won't work without electricity and need an electric pump to circulate the heating water. Same for Air Source Heat Pumps. If only we hadn't got rid of our gas storage facilities...


    Sometimes. Maybe. Possibly.

  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    edited October 2022
    photonic69 said:

    pblakeney said:

    Ofgem repeating Rick's concerns about supply.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63118574

    So if gas is cut to electricity generators so it can be diverted to heat homes and for cooking then it's pretty pointless as modern boilers won't work without electricity and need an electric pump to circulate the heating water. Same for Air Source Heat Pumps. If only we hadn't got rid of our gas storage facilities...
    But if the gas supply goes off to your home, it needs to be off until an engineer can say it is safe to reestablish supply. Electricity just goes off and then back on again.

    They'll always prioritise maintaining gas supply to homes.

  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    pblakeney said:

    Ofgem repeating Rick's concerns about supply.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63118574

    Flattered it’s my concern but I was just parroting what energy analysts were saying.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,484
    rick_chasey said:

    pblakeney said:

    Ofgem repeating Rick's concerns about supply.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63118574

    Flattered it’s my concern but I was just parroting what energy analysts were saying.
    I was giving you credit for flagging it first.
    Never mind. Can't please some people.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,592
    rick_chasey said:

    pblakeney said:

    Ofgem repeating Rick's concerns about supply.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63118574

    Flattered it’s my concern but I was just parroting what energy analysts were saying.
    But most things you parrot turn out to be wrong / exaggerated so take the win this time!
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,592
    My account has continued increasing in credit so I just got a £500 refund. My bill is currently about £170 less than they were charging me last year with the Government rebate too, suggests they messed their calculations up at some point (or possibly that I gave a dodgy meter reading!).
  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 17,430
    Pross said:

    My account has continued increasing in credit so I just got a £500 refund. My bill is currently about £170 less than they were charging me last year with the Government rebate too, suggests they messed their calculations up at some point (or possibly that I gave a dodgy meter reading!).

    we've got a smart meter, in spite of that we're a few hundred in credit

    when they upped direct debit amounts early in the year my assumption is there was no usage analysis, just a set multiplier 2-3x, i adjusted the direct debit right down again

    the excuse for fixed dd amounts died with smart metering

    seems clear that companies want to stash customer's cash in the bank and get a return on it, rather than do their job and charge only for actual usage
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  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    sungod said:

    Pross said:

    My account has continued increasing in credit so I just got a £500 refund. My bill is currently about £170 less than they were charging me last year with the Government rebate too, suggests they messed their calculations up at some point (or possibly that I gave a dodgy meter reading!).

    we've got a smart meter, in spite of that we're a few hundred in credit

    when they upped direct debit amounts early in the year my assumption is there was no usage analysis, just a set multiplier 2-3x, i adjusted the direct debit right down again

    the excuse for fixed dd amounts died with smart metering

    seems clear that companies want to stash customer's cash in the bank and get a return on it, rather than do their job and charge only for actual usage
    When I was with OVO a few years back, my DD was stupidly high but they wouldn’t recalculate.
    However, it was very easy to drawback credit so i did this most months.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Govt rebate is pretty big isn’t it?

    Bill in Sept was £170 down to £107.
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  • mully79
    mully79 Posts: 904
    I did some maths on my old folks usage. They’re still on an old fixed for now. Last January they used 10000kw of gas. (A third of their years usage) which is over a £1000 for the month at todays prices. 😐
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    mully79 said:

    I did some maths on my old folks usage. They’re still on an old fixed for now. Last January they used 10000kw of gas. (A third of their years usage) which is over a £1000 for the month at todays prices. 😐

    Those stately homes sure aren’t cheap to run.

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