Hilly Classics 2022 ***Spoilers***
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Seems harsh if it was the correct decision.DeadCalm said:Never liked Kwiatkovski. Like him even less now.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
He's been my favourite rider for a few years. Pure class. Looks great on a bike. Not an easy thing for a little fellaDeadCalm said:Never liked Kwiatkovski. Like him even less now.
"Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago3 -
What’s not to like about Kwiato?2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner2
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Yes quite. Really pleased for him today.carbonclem said:What’s not to like about Kwiato?
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I didn't realise I needed to justify my dislike of riders, but okay, I am not a fan of anyone who was a part of the Froome train. Today, he beat one of my favourite riders having sandbagged when the two were away. Additionally, I thought he showed zero class in victory. I also understand that others like and admire the guy. I've no issue with that.bobmcstuff said:
What, for winning?DeadCalm said:Never liked Kwiatkovski. Like him even less now.
Not sure what else he did wrong.0 -
Sandbagged? Did you watch the same race as the rest of the world? Or just the last 400m?DeadCalm said:
I didn't realise I needed to justify my dislike of riders, but okay, I am not a fan of anyone who was a part of the Froome train. Today, he beat one of my favourite riders having sandbagged when the two were away. Additionally, I thought he showed zero class in victory. I also understand that others like and admire the guy. I've no issue with that.bobmcstuff said:
What, for winning?DeadCalm said:Never liked Kwiatkovski. Like him even less now.
Not sure what else he did wrong.
Kwia attacked at 22 kms to go and got the gap, before Cosnefoy bridged. They then shared the work to stay away.4 -
🤷♂️ just asking, it's a forum.DeadCalm said:
I didn't realise I needed to justify my dislike of riders, but okay, I am not a fan of anyone who was a part of the Froome train. Today, he beat one of my favourite riders having sandbagged when the two were away. Additionally, I thought he showed zero class in victory. I also understand that others like and admire the guy. I've no issue with that.bobmcstuff said:
What, for winning?DeadCalm said:Never liked Kwiatkovski. Like him even less now.
Not sure what else he did wrong.
I thought he rode the race that was in front of him.
Cosnefroy's post race interview was good I thought, very pragmatic.2 -
Completely agree. He could've played the team-mate-in-the-chase-behind card to force Cosnefroy to do more work, but he shared the pacemaking evenly until the final kilometre then cannily manoeuvred him to the front to lead out the sprint. Not a hint of sandbagging.Dorset_Boy said:
Sandbagged? Did you watch the same race as the rest of the world? Or just the last 400m?DeadCalm said:
I didn't realise I needed to justify my dislike of riders, but okay, I am not a fan of anyone who was a part of the Froome train. Today, he beat one of my favourite riders having sandbagged when the two were away. Additionally, I thought he showed zero class in victory. I also understand that others like and admire the guy. I've no issue with that.bobmcstuff said:
What, for winning?DeadCalm said:Never liked Kwiatkovski. Like him even less now.
Not sure what else he did wrong.
Kwia attacked at 22 kms to go and got the gap, before Cosnefoy bridged. They then shared the work to stay away.
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It ended up with a rider who wins very occasionally, but when he does, he wins big, versus a team that wins very occasionally, but when they do, they win small.
I had Cosnefroy in my fantasy team.
I can still be happy that Little Flower had a rare chance to bloom."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.3 -
Accusing Kwiato of sandbagging is one of the weirdest things I've read on here. He was one of the main drivers to get the split for the 11 man lead group, attacked solo from 22km out and rode hard then shared the work evenly throughout until well inside the final km.
You don't very often get such an even man v man finish in a race like that and he just about edged it, either rider deserved it2 -
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Just watched (the last bit available on ES of) the women's race. Good win.0
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If a solo attack with 22km to go is sandbagging, I'd love to see what your definition of spirited riding is.1
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Weird discussion going on here. Thought it was a well timed move and shout out to Cosnefroy for getting up to him.
I think we forget about how good Kwiat is given he's so often in service for someone else but he's very good. Good nose for when to attack - this one was reminiscent of his World's victory, albeit further out.
Helps having Pidcock in the back blocking, though his attack was a bit odd. Has he explained that one?0 -
That was quite weird and could have gone very wrong. I've not seen it again or heard him comment.rick_chasey said:
Helps having Pidcock in the back blocking, though his attack was a bit odd. Has he explained that one?
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I wasn't watching so this is just a guess.rick_chasey said:Weird discussion going on here. Thought it was a well timed move and shout out to Cosnefroy for getting up to him.
I think we forget about how good Kwiat is given he's so often in service for someone else but he's very good. Good nose for when to attack - this one was reminiscent of his World's victory, albeit further out.
Helps having Pidcock in the back blocking, though his attack was a bit odd. Has he explained that one?
Rush of blood to the head corrected by team orders?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I wanted cosnefoy to win. He made the strong solo move and kept the break away .... But ineos. Split the bunch and made the decisive selection ...really well . Stringing everyone out going into that climb. ineos deserve credit for that."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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One of the greatest "worst cycling takes" I've ever read. You clearly didn't watch the race.DeadCalm said:
I didn't realise I needed to justify my dislike of riders, but okay, I am not a fan of anyone who was a part of the Froome train. Today, he beat one of my favourite riders having sandbagged when the two were away. Additionally, I thought he showed zero class in victory. I also understand that others like and admire the guy. I've no issue with that.bobmcstuff said:
What, for winning?DeadCalm said:Never liked Kwiatkovski. Like him even less now.
Not sure what else he did wrong.0 -
Watch the interview with Kwiatkovski. He admitted that he was sandbagging. He took advantage of the fact that he had Pidcock behind*. Totally fair, but I don't have to like him for it.
* in fact, he said that the reason he was so upset was because he thought he'd cost Pidcock the chance of the win.0 -
Direct quote from Kwiatkowski:
"Being there with Cosnefroy, I had to let him do most of the work".0 -
My "take" matches Kwiatkowski's. I certainly watched it. Did you?50x11 said:
One of the greatest "worst cycling takes" I've ever read. You clearly didn't watch the race.DeadCalm said:
I didn't realise I needed to justify my dislike of riders, but okay, I am not a fan of anyone who was a part of the Froome train. Today, he beat one of my favourite riders having sandbagged when the two were away. Additionally, I thought he showed zero class in victory. I also understand that others like and admire the guy. I've no issue with that.bobmcstuff said:
What, for winning?DeadCalm said:Never liked Kwiatkovski. Like him even less now.
Not sure what else he did wrong.0 -
Yep. Agree with that.mididoctors said:I wanted cosnefoy to win. He made the strong solo move and kept the break away .... But ineos. Split the bunch and made the decisive selection ...really well . Stringing everyone out going into that climb. ineos deserve credit for that.
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That's not sandbagging, sandbagging is pretending you're struggling to get the other person to do more than their fair share. Using the fact you're the only person with a team mate behind is just sound tactics and was earned by Ineos making the race and getting that position of strength.DeadCalm said:Direct quote from Kwiatkowski:
"Being there with Cosnefroy, I had to let him do most of the work".1 -
No it doesn't you want it to but it doesn't.DeadCalm said:
My "take" matches Kwiatkowski's. I certainly watched it. Did you?50x11 said:
One of the greatest "worst cycling takes" I've ever read. You clearly didn't watch the race.DeadCalm said:
I didn't realise I needed to justify my dislike of riders, but okay, I am not a fan of anyone who was a part of the Froome train. Today, he beat one of my favourite riders having sandbagged when the two were away. Additionally, I thought he showed zero class in victory. I also understand that others like and admire the guy. I've no issue with that.bobmcstuff said:
What, for winning?DeadCalm said:Never liked Kwiatkovski. Like him even less now.
Not sure what else he did wrong.
He didn't sandbag, he used tactics. Sandbagging is pretending you're tired, not using tactics to your advantage.1 -
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You use whatever tactics you can to help you win; that's how sport works. As long as you don't break any rules, anything goes........All Road/ Gravel: tbcWinter: tbcMTB: tbcRoad: tbc"Look at the time...." "he's fallen like an old lady on a cruise ship..."0
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Cosnefroy won my respect.0
