113th Milan - Sanremo - 293 km ***Spoilers***

MattFalle

orraloon said:

TP can strike a pose on the finish line though.

not really. crapsuperman thing with one hand one 'bars. bitshit tbh.

mx'ers have been doing that 60 feet up for years. bmx'ers do that for breakfast.

MattFalle

andyrr said:

MattFalle said:

i'd say mediocre more than disappointment tbh.

Mediocre yeah:
From PCS:

Top results
De Brabantse Pijl - La Flèche Brabançonne ('21)
2nd Amstel Gold Race ('21)
6th World Championships - Road Race ('21)
5th Strade Bianche ('21)
6th La Flèche Wallonne ('21)
3rd Kuurne - Bruxelles - Kuurne ('21)

GC Tour Alsace ('19)

GC Giro Ciclistico d'Italia ('20)
4th stage La Vuelta ciclista a España ('21)
15th Milano-Sanremo ('21)

Paris-Roubaix Espoirs ('19)
42nd World Championships - Road Race ('20)

So not world-beating by any stretch but having split his priorities (and is still doing so) across MTB, CX and road it’s pretty good. He’d be better obviously if he was less bland and less British and, final nail, didn’t ride for Sky/INEOS.

not world beating by any stretch


and thete we have it.

grazie, thankyou, auf wiedersen.

webboo

Would you like him better if he rode in a Seacroft Wheelers jersey and had Ultegra and Hunt wheels on his bike.

MattFalle

webboo said:

Would you like him better if he rode in a Seacroft Wheelers jersey and had Ultegra and Hunt wheels on his bike.

no, not really. he'd still be bland and not very good.

webboo

But he’d be following in your great cycling style.

andyrr

MattFalle said:

webboo said:

Would you like him better if he rode in a Seacroft Wheelers jersey and had Ultegra and Hunt wheels on his bike.

no, not really. he'd still be bland and not very good.

Lost out to quite possibly the current absolute overall top rider in a 218km/5hrs+ classic by a hairsbreadth. Obvs not a real hitter then.
But he’s bland.

ddraver

It's on like donkey kong!!

https://www.bikeradar.com/features/pro-bike/matej-mohoric-dropper-post/

(I predict this will have very little to no impact)

MattFalle

andyrr said:

MattFalle said:

webboo said:

Would you like him better if he rode in a Seacroft Wheelers jersey and had Ultegra and Hunt wheels on his bike.

no, not really. he'd still be bland and not very good.

Lost out to quite possibly the current absolute overall top rider in a 218km/5hrs+ classic by a hairsbreadth. Obvs not a real hitter then.
But he’s bland.

second place. first loser.

no one remembers second place.

perhaps its your kinda style, but i don't go racing to come second. its good that you're comfortable with losing though.

#gobigorgohome

Mad_Malx

MattFalle said:

andyrr said:

MattFalle said:

i'd say mediocre more than disappointment tbh.

Mediocre yeah:
From PCS:

Top results
De Brabantse Pijl - La Flèche Brabançonne ('21)
2nd Amstel Gold Race ('21)
6th World Championships - Road Race ('21)
5th Strade Bianche ('21)
6th La Flèche Wallonne ('21)
3rd Kuurne - Bruxelles - Kuurne ('21)

GC Tour Alsace ('19)

GC Giro Ciclistico d'Italia ('20)
4th stage La Vuelta ciclista a España ('21)
15th Milano-Sanremo ('21)

Paris-Roubaix Espoirs ('19)
42nd World Championships - Road Race ('20)

So not world-beating by any stretch but having split his priorities (and is still doing so) across MTB, CX and road it’s pretty good. He’d be better obviously if he was less bland and less British and, final nail, didn’t ride for Sky/INEOS.

grazie, thankyou, auf wiedersen.

If only.

RichN95.

MattFalle said:

no one remembers second place.

perhaps its your kinda style, but i don't go racing to come second. its good that you're comfortable with losing though.

#gobigorgohome

But even if you win there's ten of thousands a racing at a higher level. Is it really a win?

Pross

MattFalle said:

andyrr said:

MattFalle said:

webboo said:

Would you like him better if he rode in a Seacroft Wheelers jersey and had Ultegra and Hunt wheels on his bike.

no, not really. he'd still be bland and not very good.

Lost out to quite possibly the current absolute overall top rider in a 218km/5hrs+ classic by a hairsbreadth. Obvs not a real hitter then.
But he’s bland.

second place. first loser.

no one remembers second place.

perhaps its your kinda style, but i don't go racing to come second. its good that you're comfortable with losing though.

#gobigorgohome

Raymond Poulidor begs to differ

MattFalle

Pross said:

MattFalle said:

andyrr said:

MattFalle said:

webboo said:

Would you like him better if he rode in a Seacroft Wheelers jersey and had Ultegra and Hunt wheels on his bike.

no, not really. he'd still be bland and not very good.

Lost out to quite possibly the current absolute overall top rider in a 218km/5hrs+ classic by a hairsbreadth. Obvs not a real hitter then.
But he’s bland.

second place. first loser.

no one remembers second place.

perhaps its your kinda style, but i don't go racing to come second. its good that you're comfortable with losing though.

#gobigorgohome

Raymond Poulidor begs to differ

bet he'd prefer to have come first.

MattFalle

RichN95. said:

MattFalle said:

no one remembers second place.

perhaps its your kinda style, but i don't go racing to come second. its good that you're comfortable with losing though.

#gobigorgohome

But even if you win there's ten of thousands a racing at a higher level. Is it really a win?

first across the line in whatever ypu are doing is.

webboo

MattFalle said:

RichN95. said:

MattFalle said:

no one remembers second place.

perhaps its your kinda style, but i don't go racing to come second. its good that you're comfortable with losing though.

#gobigorgohome

But even if you win there's ten of thousands a racing at a higher level. Is it really a win?

first across the line in whatever ypu are doing is.

Your partner might not agree when you are having sex.

m.r.m.

@webboo always with these theoretical, unlikely scenarios and straw man arguments... 😉

JimD666

Turns out that dropper posts have been UCI legal (in road racing) since 2014.

blazing_saddles

So now we know.
Pidcock in need of a stopcock, as it's revealed he's been having repeated Dumoulin attacks.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/racing/tom-pidcocks-stomach-problems-could-impact-his-classics-season

davidof

blazing_saddles said:

So now we know.
Pidcock in need of a stopcock, as it's revealed he's been having repeated Dumoulin attacks.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/racing/tom-pidcocks-stomach-problems-could-impact-his-classics-season

Can we come up with a nickname after Tom Dupoolin?
Tom Shitcock maybe?

One thing you don't is a touch of runs just as the race gets exciting. Maybe it is nerves?

pblakeney

davidof said:

blazing_saddles said:

So now we know.
Pidcock in need of a stopcock, as it's revealed he's been having repeated Dumoulin attacks.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/racing/tom-pidcocks-stomach-problems-could-impact-his-classics-season

Can we come up with a nickname after Tom Dupoolin?
Tom Shitcock maybe?

One thing you don't is a touch of runs just as the race gets exciting. Maybe it is nerves?

My immediate thought was longer races, more gels.

MattFalle

pblakeney said:

davidof said:

blazing_saddles said:

So now we know.
Pidcock in need of a stopcock, as it's revealed he's been having repeated Dumoulin attacks.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/racing/tom-pidcocks-stomach-problems-could-impact-his-classics-season

Can we come up with a nickname after Tom Dupoolin?
Tom Shitcock maybe?

One thing you don't is a touch of runs just as the race gets exciting. Maybe it is nerves?

My immediate thought was longer races, more gels.

nah - he would have done long races and training sessions before and they would have changed gels if they did this for him.

they're all on full dietary plans designed to minimise anything - they don't pay millions a year for someone plus training plus travel plus kit etc etc etc then chuck 'em any old trash out of a car window.

As per Davidof and my post above.

m.r.m.

Could simply be a run of the mill gastrointestinal virus. Mask mandates have certainly made the regular infections less frequent, but people do still get sick from time to time. Pro peloton is probably quite contagious anyway.

blazing_saddles

m.r.m. said:

Could simply be a run of the mill gastrointestinal virus. Mask mandates have certainly made the regular infections less frequent, but people do still get sick from time to time. Pro peloton is probably quite contagious anyway.

Could just about be, but since he’s reportedly had this problem since the end of February, beginning of March, one has to wonder about weight loss and physical deterioration.
Under the circumstances I am surprised Ineos felt he was fit to race.

MattFalle

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blazing_saddles said:

m.r.m. said:

Could simply be a run of the mill gastrointestinal virus. Mask mandates have certainly made the regular infections less frequent, but people do still get sick from time to time. Pro peloton is probably quite contagious anyway.

Could just about be, but since he’s reportedly had this problem since the end of February, beginning of March, one has to wonder about weight loss and physical deterioration.
Under the circumstances I am surprised Ineos felt he was fit to race.

and they're predicting its going to affect him going forward as well, so as Davidoff above.

Part of racing him was probably he is contracted to race certain races and if he declares himself fit the team will get financially penalised for pulling him out so it was probably worth chucking him in knowing that he wouldn't have won if he was fit anyway and saving the cash.

andyp

MattFalle said:

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blazing_saddles said:

m.r.m. said:

Could simply be a run of the mill gastrointestinal virus. Mask mandates have certainly made the regular infections less frequent, but people do still get sick from time to time. Pro peloton is probably quite contagious anyway.

Could just about be, but since he’s reportedly had this problem since the end of February, beginning of March, one has to wonder about weight loss and physical deterioration.
Under the circumstances I am surprised Ineos felt he was fit to race.

and they're predicting its going to affect him going forward as well, so as Davidoff above.

Part of racing him was probably he is contracted to race certain races and if he declares himself fit the team will get financially penalised for pulling him out so it was probably worth chucking him in knowing that he wouldn't have won if he was fit anyway and saving the cash.

Even by your standards, this is so ignorant and baseless, it is risible.

andyrr

MattFalle said:

Part of racing him was probably he is contracted to race certain races and if he declares himself fit the team will get financially penalised for pulling him out so it was probably worth chucking him in knowing that he wouldn't have won if he was fit anyway and saving the cash.

Sounding like an expert on pro racing here “… probably he is contracted to race certain races… so it was probably worth chucking him in knowing that he wouldn't have won if he was fit anyway and saving the cash”
That’s “probably” why sometimes a rider gets included in a team's lineup for a race at the last minute - they’ve “probably” forgotten that he was supposed to be racing that race and didn’t want to risk getting a fine. Doesn’t explain why a number of teams, this year even, started races with less than the maximum number of permissible riders (2 teams started with 6 at MSR, Team Bike Exchange at Omloop with 5 riders etc). Maybe they’ve more money to burn than INEOS.

mididoctors

Pidcock is going to win loads of races. Only a fool would think not ..

daniel_b

"Pidcock has had blood tests performed on him as Ineos seek to get to the bottom of what is causing his lack of fitness.

No_Ta_Doctor

Seems a shame that after a really good MSR edition we've been sidetracked into discussing whether or not a 22yr old rider is shit or not just because a troll got on his hobby horse.

Oh well.

Good race, with some interesting implications for the cobbles coming up. Mads P in fine form, didn't think he'd get over the Poggio that well, if we get some hard wet and cold conditions he'll be a force to be reckoned with. SKA also looked good, the Poggio attack he made had some real depth to it. MvdP quite frightening for a guy in his first race of the season