Gazprom suspended
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Just as a caveat, I wouldn't have a sports person's nationality shown next to them or play national anthems in sports where they aren't representing their country anyway. It seems stupid playing God Save The Queen when Hamilton wins an F1 race as he isn't driving for the UK.0
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no one is talking about banning people who's countries have "been" in a aar.
this is the here and now with Russins raping women, bayonetting children and torturing and executing OAPs in front of their fmilies. Bombing maternity hospitals.
.fuck'em..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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They did it during the Apartheid era, they are totalling correct in doing it now
Russia?fukk'em..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I’d be more ok with teams owned by dodgy owners being shut out if they were more consistent.
Some better than none, mind.0 -
why?rick_chasey said:I’d be more ok with teams owned by dodgy owners being shut out if they were more consistent.
Some better than none, mind..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I like the idea that people or organisations who do or are a part of things we can universally say are bad being shut out of nice things.MattFalle said:
why?rick_chasey said:I’d be more ok with teams owned by dodgy owners being shut out if they were more consistent.
Some better than none, mind.
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good. your/our post above wasn't too clear on that but it is now..
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Clearing the daft draft.0
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Stance on Sivakov, MF?0
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As of March this year he's stopped riding for Russia and has been outspoken against the war and Russia's aggression, so I think he's fine. He's allowed nice things like riding in big international bike races, nor does he ride for a company which is owned entirely by the Russian state and is part of the geopolitical apparatus that the Kremlin uses to put pressure on other nations.bobmcstuff said:Stance on Sivakov, MF?
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No. In with the rest of them. He's Russian
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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no. wrong. you can't pixk and choose Rick, it doesn't work like that.rick_chasey said:
As of March this year he's stopped riding for Russia and has been outspoken against the war and Russia's aggression, so I think he's fine. He's allowed nice things like riding in big international bike races, nor does he ride for a company which is owned entirely by the Russian state and is part of the geopolitical apparatus that the Kremlin uses to put pressure on other nations.bobmcstuff said:Stance on Sivakov, MF?
The Russians aren't picking and choosing when they are executing, toturing and raping people..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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He can, as he’s a cyclist and not a soldier and he has chosen.MattFalle said:
no. wrong. you can't pixk and choose Rick, it doesn't work like that.rick_chasey said:
As of March this year he's stopped riding for Russia and has been outspoken against the war and Russia's aggression, so I think he's fine. He's allowed nice things like riding in big international bike races, nor does he ride for a company which is owned entirely by the Russian state and is part of the geopolitical apparatus that the Kremlin uses to put pressure on other nations.bobmcstuff said:Stance on Sivakov, MF?
The Russians aren't picking and choosing when they are executing, toturing and raping people.
He’s in the process of changing his nationality to French and the UCI granted that change.1 -
no.rick_chasey said:
He can, as he’s a cyclist and not a soldier and he has chosen.MattFalle said:
no. wrong. you can't pixk and choose Rick, it doesn't work like that.rick_chasey said:
As of March this year he's stopped riding for Russia and has been outspoken against the war and Russia's aggression, so I think he's fine. He's allowed nice things like riding in big international bike races, nor does he ride for a company which is owned entirely by the Russian state and is part of the geopolitical apparatus that the Kremlin uses to put pressure on other nations.bobmcstuff said:Stance on Sivakov, MF?
The Russians aren't picking and choosing when they are executing, toturing and raping people.
He’s in the process of changing his nationality to French and the UCI granted that change.
he's Russian.
Banned.
End of..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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You really are a tit.MattFalle said:
no.rick_chasey said:
He can, as he’s a cyclist and not a soldier and he has chosen.MattFalle said:
no. wrong. you can't pixk and choose Rick, it doesn't work like that.rick_chasey said:
As of March this year he's stopped riding for Russia and has been outspoken against the war and Russia's aggression, so I think he's fine. He's allowed nice things like riding in big international bike races, nor does he ride for a company which is owned entirely by the Russian state and is part of the geopolitical apparatus that the Kremlin uses to put pressure on other nations.bobmcstuff said:Stance on Sivakov, MF?
The Russians aren't picking and choosing when they are executing, toturing and raping people.
He’s in the process of changing his nationality to French and the UCI granted that change.
he's Russian.
Banned.
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I think we need to be clear about why Russian teams /athletes are suspended. It's not intended as a punishment of them, it's to prevent them being used as nationalistic PR. It also communicates to the Russian public that they are now international pariahs.
I don't see an issue with a rider who is outspoken against the war and is changing their registration and nationality continuing to ride.Warning No formatter is installed for the format1 -
And yet Tony Greig and Alan Lamb both captained England. I'm not sure if they had to publicly denounce the apartheid regime before they were allowed to do so, even though doing so would almost certainly have carried less personal cost and risk to both themselves and any family they may have had in South Africa.No_Ta_Doctor said:I think we need to be clear about why Russian teams /athletes are suspended. It's not intended as a punishment of them, it's to prevent them being used as nationalistic PR. It also communicates to the Russian public that they are now international pariahs.
I don't see an issue with a rider who is outspoken against the war and is changing their registration and nationality continuing to ride.0 -
and you're very eloquent. you want to grow a spine fella.phreak said:
You really are a censored .MattFalle said:
no.rick_chasey said:
He can, as he’s a cyclist and not a soldier and he has chosen.MattFalle said:
no. wrong. you can't pixk and choose Rick, it doesn't work like that.rick_chasey said:
As of March this year he's stopped riding for Russia and has been outspoken against the war and Russia's aggression, so I think he's fine. He's allowed nice things like riding in big international bike races, nor does he ride for a company which is owned entirely by the Russian state and is part of the geopolitical apparatus that the Kremlin uses to put pressure on other nations.bobmcstuff said:Stance on Sivakov, MF?
The Russians aren't picking and choosing when they are executing, toturing and raping people.
He’s in the process of changing his nationality to French and the UCI granted that change.
he's Russian.
Banned.
End of.
why? because I have morals?
he's Russian. Banned. End of..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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no.rick_chasey said:
He can, as he’s a cyclist and not a soldier and he has chosen.MattFalle said:
no. wrong. you can't pixk and choose Rick, it doesn't work like that.rick_chasey said:
As of March this year he's stopped riding for Russia and has been outspoken against the war and Russia's aggression, so I think he's fine. He's allowed nice things like riding in big international bike races, nor does he ride for a company which is owned entirely by the Russian state and is part of the geopolitical apparatus that the Kremlin uses to put pressure on other nations.bobmcstuff said:Stance on Sivakov, MF?
The Russians aren't picking and choosing when they are executing, toturing and raping people.
He’s in the process of changing his nationality to French and the UCI granted that change.
he's Russian
End of
because he took the rouble for so many years and was proud to represent Russia, the minute he is going to get banned because of his country he decides to change nationality.No_Ta_Doctor said:I think we need to be clear about why Russian teams /athletes are suspended. It's not intended as a punishment of them, it's to prevent them being used as nationalistic PR. It also communicates to the Russian public that they are now international pariahs.
I don't see an issue with a rider who is outspoken against the war and is changing their registration and nationality continuing to ride.
if he felt that strongly about wanting to be French he would have done this years ago.
its a weak transparent move to try and get around the rules. something a Tory would do.
if anything he's shown a massive lack of morals and weakness to just drop his country for another.
bet you a bannana to a pigeon that once Russian athletes are allowed to compete again he'll jump back.
Russian.
banned.
end of..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Why don't you put yourself in a Russians shoes and imagine what would happen if they stood up and criticised Putin. My in laws are Czech and did that during the Prague Spring. They were barred from going to university, having any kind of profession, traveling anywhere, and so on, as were their children. That's a drop in the ocean compared to someone as high profile as a professional athlete. So maybe "you" grow a spine and think before you act all macho.MattFalle said:
and you're very eloquent. you want to grow a spine fella.phreak said:
You really are a censored .MattFalle said:
no.rick_chasey said:
He can, as he’s a cyclist and not a soldier and he has chosen.MattFalle said:
no. wrong. you can't pixk and choose Rick, it doesn't work like that.rick_chasey said:
As of March this year he's stopped riding for Russia and has been outspoken against the war and Russia's aggression, so I think he's fine. He's allowed nice things like riding in big international bike races, nor does he ride for a company which is owned entirely by the Russian state and is part of the geopolitical apparatus that the Kremlin uses to put pressure on other nations.bobmcstuff said:Stance on Sivakov, MF?
The Russians aren't picking and choosing when they are executing, toturing and raping people.
He’s in the process of changing his nationality to French and the UCI granted that change.
he's Russian.
Banned.
End of.
why? because I have morals?
he's Russian. Banned. End of.2 -
Not getting your uni degree with a wikipedia reference.MattFalle said:No. In with the rest of them. He's Russian
https://www.skysports.com/more-sports/cycling/news/29876/12557180/pavel-sivakov-granted-change-of-nationality-from-russian-to-french-by-cyclings-uciCycling's governing body (UCI) has granted INEOS Grenadiers rider Pavel Sivakov a change of nationality from Russian to French, his team announced on Friday.
Sivakov was born in Italy to Russian parents, who were also cyclists, and moved to France as a young child.
Both cycling federations have been notified and he can now race under the French flag at national, world championship and Olympic events, the Grenadiers said.
"I was born in Italy and moved to France when I was one year old. France is where I grew up and was educated and where I fell in love with riding my bike, which led me to racing. It feels like my home," Sivakov said in a statement.
"I've wanted to become a French national for some time and had made the request to the UCI, but given what is happening in Ukraine at the moment, I wanted to fast-track this.0 -
if anything, why not change his nationality to Italian?
jog on fella. there is no machismo involved at all in this discussion.phreak said:
Why don't you put yourself in a Russians shoes and imagine what would happen if they stood up and criticised Putin. My in laws are Czech and did that during the Prague Spring. They were barred from going to university, having any kind of profession, traveling anywhere, and so on, as were their children. That's a drop in the ocean compared to someone as high profile as a professional athlete. So maybe "you" grow a spine and think before you act all macho.MattFalle said:
and you're very eloquent. you want to grow a spine fella.phreak said:
You really are a censored .MattFalle said:
no.rick_chasey said:
He can, as he’s a cyclist and not a soldier and he has chosen.MattFalle said:
no. wrong. you can't pixk and choose Rick, it doesn't work like that.rick_chasey said:
As of March this year he's stopped riding for Russia and has been outspoken against the war and Russia's aggression, so I think he's fine. He's allowed nice things like riding in big international bike races, nor does he ride for a company which is owned entirely by the Russian state and is part of the geopolitical apparatus that the Kremlin uses to put pressure on other nations.bobmcstuff said:Stance on Sivakov, MF?
The Russians aren't picking and choosing when they are executing, toturing and raping people.
He’s in the process of changing his nationality to French and the UCI granted that change.
he's Russian.
Banned.
End of.
why? because I have morals?
he's Russian. Banned. End of.
your argument is completely moot - as i said, if he felt so much about Putin he would have changed his nationality years ago. The wiki entry above says that he was born in Italy, so why didn't he change his nationality to Italian either years ago or now? Because being Russian suited him perfectly and now it doesn't so he's scrabbling around and for some reason chose French.
he's russian. he represented russia, he took the rouble - you take the highs with the lows.
what next - Abramovich et al changing their nationalities?
he's russian. he's banned. end of.
.and if you keep on supporting him you're supporting weak people who don't back up their words with actions and, essentially, letting down your in laws who stood up for what they believed in.
russian
banned
end of.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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"for some time" - from March '22. now thats a coincedence.rick_chasey said:
Not getting your uni degree with a wikipedia reference.MattFalle said:No. In with the rest of them. He's Russian
https://www.skysports.com/more-sports/cycling/news/29876/12557180/pavel-sivakov-granted-change-of-nationality-from-russian-to-french-by-cyclings-uciCycling's governing body (UCI) has granted INEOS Grenadiers rider Pavel Sivakov a change of nationality from Russian to French, his team announced on Friday.
Sivakov was born in Italy to Russian parents, who were also cyclists, and moved to France as a young child.
Both cycling federations have been notified and he can now race under the French flag at national, world championship and Olympic events, the Grenadiers said.
"I was born in Italy and moved to France when I was one year old. France is where I grew up and was educated and where I fell in love with riding my bike, which led me to racing. It feels like my home," Sivakov said in a statement.
"I've wanted to become a French national for some time and had made the request to the UCI, but given what is happening in Ukraine at the moment, I wanted to fast-track this.
"I wanted to fast track this"
bet ya did, fella, bet ya did.
come on people, this is bleedin'obvious
Russian
banned
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.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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anyway, hold on - the UCI have accepted a change in nationality, so thats on his racing licence only.
so he's still a Russian passport holder and legal nationality but he's racing under French nationality in the UCIs eyes?
Unless the UCI can change legal nationalities then he's still russian.
fuckmylife..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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All except for the minor detail of him not being banned.MattFalle said:
Russian
banned
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Sorry to say but the UCI has more power over this matter than the MFs.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
And who knows what passport(s) he holds.0
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and we all know the UCIs moral fibre - up there with UEFA I believe.pblakeney said:
All except for the minor detail of him not being banned.MattFalle said:
Russian
banned
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Sorry to say but the UCI has more power over this matter than the MFs..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Does it/should it matter?Dorset_Boy said:And who knows what passport(s) he holds.
Russian citizen, Russian passport holder, represented Russia, so the MFs would hazard a guess at pretty Russian..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I guess it makes sense that the military guy on the forum persecutes indiscriminately on a "papers please" basis. Not known for nuance.0
