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  • Ok so MX-5 it is.

    Mk3 is the best bang for buck but just cannot get excited by its bland styling. It's so 'round'
  • @ Photonic - since my teeth are mainly synthetic materials of various kinds I'll heed your advice re the Lotus.

    @ shirley - I was never really interested in the MX-5 till the most recent facelift which has turned it from a jellybean into something quite attractive.

    So the choice appears to be MX-5 or central heating...
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,392

    My ideal Sports Car as a daily driver would probably be an Audi RS4 Avant. Fast and I can get a bike in the back. Win-win.


    I was thinking about sports cars and was about to say 911 Turbo (GT3 variants are more for the track).

    But since you mentioned daily drivers and ability to put a bike in the back, I'll stick with what I have (it's the estate version as not obvious from the pic).





    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,813
    I really like the MX5, haven't driven the later versions yet. We used to sell supercharger kits for them, they went from being slightly underpowered to an absolute hoot. I managed to lap a Ferrari 355 at Castle Combe in a supercharged Mk2 MX5, although I was probably more willing to ring its neck and not worry about the repair bills.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    I don't find a lot of the DriveTribe stuff that good but, even to someone meh about cars, classics especially, this was quite a nice lunchtime watch...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMLhQWB2b34
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Stevo_666 said:

    My ideal Sports Car as a daily driver would probably be an Audi RS4 Avant. Fast and I can get a bike in the back. Win-win.


    I was thinking about sports cars and was about to say 911 Turbo (GT3 variants are more for the track).

    But since you mentioned daily drivers and ability to put a bike in the back, I'll stick with what I have (it's the estate version as not obvious from the pic).





    Is that the C63 AMG?

    As if you're about to snap up a GT3 anyway....
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,314
    edited November 2022
    masjer said:

    pinno said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    pinno said:

    I almost feel a new thread coming on...

    No pleeeeease...
    I think we do need a new thread to quarantine the tedious non car discussion that seems to have take root in here...
    Yep, Chr1st, let's have at least one virtually fun thread.
    Fun threads quickly get knotted up by the cardigans.
    This is factually incorrect.
    Oh, so you are a weaver?
    Munsford0 said:

    @ Photonic - since my teeth are mainly synthetic materials of various kinds I'll heed your advice re the Lotus.

    @ shirley - I was never really interested in the MX-5 till the most recent facelift which has turned it from a jellybean into something quite attractive.

    So the choice appears to be MX-5 or central heating...

    Sell up, find some old Gite in France to do up and have a packet left over for bikes and cars.
    Fcuk the lot of them.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • Stevo_666 said:

    My ideal Sports Car as a daily driver would probably be an Audi RS4 Avant. Fast and I can get a bike in the back. Win-win.

    I may have mentioned it before but our neighbour used to race for Audi. LeMans 24 kind of stuff. He has a top spec RS6 avant as his fun car. Sounds utterly bonkers.

  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,392
    edited November 2022

    Stevo_666 said:

    My ideal Sports Car as a daily driver would probably be an Audi RS4 Avant. Fast and I can get a bike in the back. Win-win.


    I was thinking about sports cars and was about to say 911 Turbo (GT3 variants are more for the track).

    But since you mentioned daily drivers and ability to put a bike in the back, I'll stick with what I have (it's the estate version as not obvious from the pic).





    Is that the C63 AMG?

    As if you're about to snap up a GT3 anyway....
    Yep, it's the C63S wagon.

    Sorry but it's not for sale as its a keeper, especially as the latest version is 2l 4cyl + battery. The 911 Turbo is more of a wish list thing than a realistic prospect.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • harry-s
    harry-s Posts: 295
    I don't remember the Elise being a harsh ride, - it's a while since I drove one, it was an S1 and I was probably a bit suppler back then, but I remember thinking it had the right compromise between ride and handling. Was the one you drove modified photonic?

    I reckon enjoying a modern sports car on the road is pretty difficult these days, it obviously depends a lot on where you live but 'average' performance is just so quick now. I'd say a classic is the way to go, most have bags of character and can be fun and challenging to drive at speeds that won't have you spending time in jail.

    A modified MGB, TR6 (good value atm) could be the start of a shortlist.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,323
    harry-s said:

    ...

    A modified MGB, TR6 (good value atm) could be the start of a shortlist.

    Always fancied a TR6.
    Tempered by knowing that I'd rarely drive it and probably spend more time tinkering.
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  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,813
    Much prefer a TR6 to an MGB, parts availability for both of those is significantly better than a lot of more modern cars.
    Take a look at the Frontline Developments MGBs, they are a bit special.
  • We have got a new style MX5, only 1.5 but about 130bhp. It revs really well and is a hoot to drive without going really fast. The suspension is quite compliant so comfy to drive.
    Other car is a SQ2, very smooth and fast and very very easy to break speed limits without noticing.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,392
    pinno said:
    Same year as my old French go-kart. Probably should have kept it as an investment if that price is even vaguely realistic...
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    pinno said:
    Jeez, either there are a lot of optimists out there or some real muppets prepared to pay those prices. £2,400 for a smashed up Scirocco and £4.5k for a 20 odd year old Vectra. Bit of a stretch to call either of them classics!
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,392
    Pross said:

    pinno said:
    Jeez, either there are a lot of optimists out there or some real muppets prepared to pay those prices. £2,400 for a smashed up Scirocco and £4.5k for a 20 odd year old Vectra. Bit of a stretch to call either of them classics!
    There has been some silly money being spent on these sorts of cars. A mint 205 GTI went for twenty-odd thousand not long ago.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    pinno said:
    Jeez, either there are a lot of optimists out there or some real muppets prepared to pay those prices. £2,400 for a smashed up Scirocco and £4.5k for a 20 odd year old Vectra. Bit of a stretch to call either of them classics!
    There has been some silly money being spent on these sorts of cars. A mint 205 GTI went for twenty-odd thousand not long ago.
    TBF vintage 205 GTIs are super sought after. Trending on tiktok etc.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,392

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    pinno said:
    Jeez, either there are a lot of optimists out there or some real muppets prepared to pay those prices. £2,400 for a smashed up Scirocco and £4.5k for a 20 odd year old Vectra. Bit of a stretch to call either of them classics!
    There has been some silly money being spent on these sorts of cars. A mint 205 GTI went for twenty-odd thousand not long ago.
    TBF vintage 205 GTIs are super sought after. Trending on tiktok etc.
    Best of breed (80's hot hatch), although I reckon at that sort of money there's a fair bit of nostalgia involved.

    Same might happen to my current car if I hang onto it for long enough...
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,323
    Pross said:

    pinno said:
    Jeez, either there are a lot of optimists out there or some real muppets prepared to pay those prices. £2,400 for a smashed up Scirocco and £4.5k for a 20 odd year old Vectra. Bit of a stretch to call either of them classics!
    Ex colleague has a fully restored 80s Escort RS. A similar one sold last year for over £100k. Right car, right time, ka-ching!
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    I was watching some programme where they were "renovating" a Lancia Delta (I think). It ended up as a real Trigger's broom job. How much of an original car do you need left before it stops being a renovation?
  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,784
    edited November 2022
    People are restoring early VW Buses pretty much off the chassis plate. All the body panel’s are available and people are willing to do the work and spend the cash. I’ve seen examples go for £250k and pre 55 ‘barndoor’ buses can easily be £100k. Crazy.

    2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    Can't work out if I'm more hopeful for a van price crash or a house price crash tbh...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,314
    edited November 2022

    People are restoring early VW Buses pretty much off the chassis plate.

    This ^.
    Long story cut short (honest - this is the short version)

    Ralliart was bought from Andrew Cowan in the early 80's by Mitsubishi. They kept him on.
    Andrew had 4 sets of works engines, transmissions including gearboxes and complete suspensions for the turbo charged Starion.
    The Mitsubishi rally boss at the end of year 1 after the take over of Ralliart told Andrew to ditch the old stock but Andrew didn't. He kept some of it for years and years in a warehouse.
    The 4 sets ended up near Gretna at a car restorer of note.
    My friend took his ex works Lotus Talbot Sunbeam to Gretna for a complete re-spray to this guy who had possession of the transmission sets. He was offered them for a reasonable amount as this guy needed space and he had little time to build up a car - a vintage, genuine works Starion - worth ££££'s? God knows.
    My friend took them and the idea and found 1 bloke in Warwickshire with 3! 1 complete standard non works Starion and 2 bare works chassis and 1 log book for a 4th.
    The deal my friend offered would give the guy in Warks 2 complete engine and transmission sets in exchange for 1 chassis and the log book.
    After months of deliberation, he didn't budge.
    My friend found a shell in Hungary ?! and a bit of a wreck in Japan.
    Too much time, money and uncertainty meant he wasn't going to follow up the chassis/car abroad and so put the sets on the market.
    He made sure he wasn't going to sell them directly or accidentally to the guy in Warks. .
    My friend told a bloke who bought one of the sets about the guy in Warks. So this purchaser went there and managed to extract the log book from him and 1 bare chassis for... £36k.
    Oh and just for clarity: the chassis doesn't have a VIN plate.


    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,314
    Anyhoo - how to fit a 944 box on your own:


    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,314
    A lot less precarious than it looks. The 'bell housing' was held on with 4 x 10mm wide cable ties, the gearbox mount to x member and that was me removing the blocks that tilted the box at the correct angle.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    edited November 2022
    Pinno’s story reminds me the thing I watched on TV was a Lotus Sunbeam, pretty sure it was one of the original works chassis so I wonder if there was a link?

    It was this one https://m.imdb.com/title/tt10127786/
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,345
    Pross said:

    Pinno’s story reminds me the thing I watched on TV was a Lotus Sunbeam, pretty sure it was one of the original works chassis so I wonder if there was a link?

    It was this one https://m.imdb.com/title/tt10127786/


    Haha, when I had a Chrysler Sunbeam, I made do with upgrading the 1300 engine to a 1600. I seem to remember the Lotus engine alone would have cost about £2k at the time (late 80s). The 1300 was one of the puniest you can imagine... something like 58bhp, I think. Might have forgotten to tell the insurers about the upgrade.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,314
    Pross said:

    Pinno’s story reminds me the thing I watched on TV was a Lotus Sunbeam, pretty sure it was one of the original works chassis so I wonder if there was a link?

    It was this one https://m.imdb.com/title/tt10127786/

    That ^ has some heritage.
    No link - my friend's Talbot was a black with gold JPS lettering.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,392
    pinno said:

    People are restoring early VW Buses pretty much off the chassis plate.

    This ^.
    Long story cut short (honest - this is the short version)

    Ralliart was bought from Andrew Cowan in the early 80's by Mitsubishi. They kept him on.
    Andrew had 4 sets of works engines, transmissions including gearboxes and complete suspensions for the turbo charged Starion.
    The Mitsubishi rally boss at the end of year 1 after the take over of Ralliart told Andrew to ditch the old stock but Andrew didn't. He kept some of it for years and years in a warehouse.
    The 4 sets ended up near Gretna at a car restorer of note.
    My friend took his ex works Lotus Talbot Sunbeam to Gretna for a complete re-spray to this guy who had possession of the transmission sets. He was offered them for a reasonable amount as this guy needed space and he had little time to build up a car - a vintage, genuine works Starion - worth ££££'s? God knows.
    My friend took them and the idea and found 1 bloke in Warwickshire with 3! 1 complete standard non works Starion and 2 bare works chassis and 1 log book for a 4th.
    The deal my friend offered would give the guy in Warks 2 complete engine and transmission sets in exchange for 1 chassis and the log book.
    After months of deliberation, he didn't budge.
    My friend found a shell in Hungary ?! and a bit of a wreck in Japan.
    Too much time, money and uncertainty meant he wasn't going to follow up the chassis/car abroad and so put the sets on the market.
    He made sure he wasn't going to sell them directly or accidentally to the guy in Warks. .
    My friend told a bloke who bought one of the sets about the guy in Warks. So this purchaser went there and managed to extract the log book from him and 1 bare chassis for... £36k.
    Oh and just for clarity: the chassis doesn't have a VIN plate.


    Ralliart - brings back a few memories of my old my Evo 6 and track days. Their accessories last well too :)

    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]