TDF 2021: Stage 21, Chatou > Paris Champs-Élysées 108.4 km **Spoilers**
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I think Pross is saying there was a gap and he didn't go for it - then it closed. I agree there was a moment he should - in hindsight - have gone right round WvA before Phillipsen filled the space.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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Agreed, he never really got to start sprinting because he didn't go right in that split second - I assume he felt he needed to wait another pedal turn before going, and then it was gone.0
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He could also have gone on the left. My contribution to the wild mass guessing is that Cavendish over-thought the new position of the line and the gradient - he's always saying you want to go late on those - and in the split second he could have started to move between WVA and the barrier thought it was too far out. It probably wasn't.DeVlaeminck said:I think Pross is saying there was a gap and he didn't go for it - then it closed. I agree there was a moment he should - in hindsight - have gone right round WvA before Phillipsen filled the space.
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I haven't seen the replays but I thought he was taking a lot of wind before the sprint opened, trying to fight for I think it was WvA's wheel.0
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Yeah, this. It was a strange sprint, not helped by the camera work. It looked like Cav was finally about to open up and they were suddenly crossing the line. I do just wonder if the mountains had blunted his speed though and he just could take that brief chance. Having to stop pedalling briefly wouldn't have helped though.DeVlaeminck said:I think Pross is saying there was a gap and he didn't go for it - then it closed. I agree there was a moment he should - in hindsight - have gone right round WvA before Phillipsen filled the space.
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Yes I agree.kingstongraham said:Agreed, he never really got to start sprinting because he didn't go right in that split second - I assume he felt he needed to wait another pedal turn before going, and then it was gone.
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Not seen it mentioned, but the fact that if Cav crashed, he would lose green.
Add this to the fact his kids were there and no wonder he didn't go for the gap for fear of crashing1 -
He's just overlapping wheels with wva, so at this point stops pedalling for a split second when wva moves to the left slightly.
Then a gap opens up on the right, but looks like he's decided he's not ready to go
and within a second it's gone and there's no way to win
WvA was just too fast when given that leadout0 -
A while before that though he was fighting, and not winning, to be on the WvA wheel and caught a lot of air then .kingstongraham said:He's just overlapping wheels with wva, so at this point stops pedalling for a split second when wva moves to the left slightly.
Then a gap opens up on the right, but looks like he's decided he's not ready to go
and within a second it's gone and there's no way to win
WvA was just too fast when given that leadout0 -
150ddraver said:What's the distance on that sign in the middle photo..?
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That was his window of opportunity. In hindsight obviously, but he should have been aware of Philipsen. Still, helped my PTP. 😉kingstongraham said:
150ddraver said:What's the distance on that sign in the middle photo..?
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
No he wasn't.rick_chasey said:
A while before that though he was fighting, and not winning, to be on the WvA wheel and caught a lot of air then .kingstongraham said:He's just overlapping wheels with wva, so at this point stops pedalling for a split second when wva moves to the left slightly.
Then a gap opens up on the right, but looks like he's decided he's not ready to go
and within a second it's gone and there's no way to win
WvA was just too fast when given that leadout
He was on Morkov's wheel up to 1km to go, then seamlessly got onto van Aert's wheel. Never went in the wind.
5 seconds later:
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He was free wheeling just before that point, so wasn't able to accelerate past WvA at top speed. I don't think there was any way he could have gone into that gap.pblakeney said:
That was his window of opportunity. In hindsight obviously, but he should have been aware of Philipsen. Still, helped my PTP. 😉kingstongraham said:
150ddraver said:What's the distance on that sign in the middle photo..?
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If his front wheel had been to the right of WvA's rear wheel he wouldn't have had to freewheel. The mistake was trying to go up along the barrier. Hindsight.kingstongraham said:
He was free wheeling just before that point, so wasn't able to accelerate past WvA at top speed. I don't think there was any way he could have gone into that gap.pblakeney said:
That was his window of opportunity. In hindsight obviously, but he should have been aware of Philipsen. Still, helped my PTP. 😉kingstongraham said:
150ddraver said:What's the distance on that sign in the middle photo..?
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
May have been mentioned elsewhere in the thread but Froome in 2017-18 did 4 in under 13 months and finished 1,1,1,3.kingstongraham said:He'll be the only one to do it involving all three GTs.
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No, after that.kingstongraham said:
No he wasn't.rick_chasey said:
A while before that though he was fighting, and not winning, to be on the WvA wheel and caught a lot of air then .kingstongraham said:He's just overlapping wheels with wva, so at this point stops pedalling for a split second when wva moves to the left slightly.
Then a gap opens up on the right, but looks like he's decided he's not ready to go
and within a second it's gone and there's no way to win
WvA was just too fast when given that leadout
He was on Morkov's wheel up to 1km to go, then seamlessly got onto van Aert's wheel. Never went in the wind.0 -
Maybe a little bit about 250m out when Philipsen tries to take the wheel from the right of WvA and Cavendish is to the left. Barely more wind than van Aert really though.rick_chasey said:
No, after that.kingstongraham said:
No he wasn't.rick_chasey said:
A while before that though he was fighting, and not winning, to be on the WvA wheel and caught a lot of air then .kingstongraham said:He's just overlapping wheels with wva, so at this point stops pedalling for a split second when wva moves to the left slightly.
Then a gap opens up on the right, but looks like he's decided he's not ready to go
and within a second it's gone and there's no way to win
WvA was just too fast when given that leadout
He was on Morkov's wheel up to 1km to go, then seamlessly got onto van Aert's wheel. Never went in the wind.
That's why Cavendish is on the left side of van Aert at the point WvA drifts slightly left on starting his sprint, forcing him to stop pedalling. It's not a mistake, just the only place he could be.1 -
Yeah I said at the time ( I commentate on sprints as I am loser), that he was catching a lot of wind which was why it stuck in my mind.kingstongraham said:
Maybe a little bit about 250m out when Philipsen tries to take the wheel from the right of WvA and Cavendish is to the left. Barely more wind than van Aert really though.rick_chasey said:
No, after that.kingstongraham said:
No he wasn't.rick_chasey said:
A while before that though he was fighting, and not winning, to be on the WvA wheel and caught a lot of air then .kingstongraham said:He's just overlapping wheels with wva, so at this point stops pedalling for a split second when wva moves to the left slightly.
Then a gap opens up on the right, but looks like he's decided he's not ready to go
and within a second it's gone and there's no way to win
WvA was just too fast when given that leadout
He was on Morkov's wheel up to 1km to go, then seamlessly got onto van Aert's wheel. Never went in the wind.
That's why Cavendish is on the left side of van Aert at the point WvA drifts slightly left on starting his sprint, forcing him to stop pedalling. It's not a mistake, just the only place he could be.
On the video he is at best 50% on the WvA wheel, if not less.0 -
I'd forgotten about the jockeying/elbowing for position.
This is where the race was lost.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0
