TDF 2021: Stage 17 Muret > Saint-Lary-Soulan Col du Portet 178.4 km **Spoilers**
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He gained 29 points from inters on Sat/Sun (he was in the break for the latter), so 72 points behind on the second rest day.Pross said:
Where did Matthews gain his points? When I looked before the rest day I thought he was only a point ahead of Colbrelli and about 100 behind Cav. I know they both gained quite a few points yesterday and Colbrelli more than Matthews. Did Matthews pick a load up over the weekend that I missed?notquite6foot said:
Colbrelli is too far back to be of any concern. Unless Bling gets in the break that'll likely mop the big points up (or the peloton is leading the race at that point), Cav won't be all that fussed.Pross said:I suspect Bike Exchange and Bahrain will push hard to drop Cav on the second 4th cat climb which looks quite tough as it is just before the bonus sprint.
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They've been sucking his wheel for the last week whilst their own teams have been all over the shop. He had every right to sit on.hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
That was Vingegaard's choice.hypster said:
Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.blazing_saddles said:hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?
You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.
If you think Carapaz was obligated to work with them, so they could drop him later, to avoid being tagged as "a wheel sucker", you are perfectly entitled to think that."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Vinegard was quite happy to work with Pogacar to drop Carapaz. Carapaz was quite happy to drop Vinegard. Pogacar was just a passenger in the battle for second.hypster said:
Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.blazing_saddles said:hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?
You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.
Although Pogacar does like to show who is boss.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
The posts here make me think Carapaz won the stage.0
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It was to Vingergaard's benefit as he was moving into first place amongst the also rans. No-one in the trio was doing what they were doing for altruistic reasons.hypster said:
Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.blazing_saddles said:hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?
You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.0 -
Pog kept attacking from the front of the group . Bit telegraphy"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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You can say that again.... Yeah vingegaard may harbour a grudge though ... Seen this sort of thing many times. .. it became impossible for Rui Costa to win a race ...Pross said:
It was to Vingergaard's benefit as he was moving into first place amongst the also rans. No-one in the trio was doing what they were doing for altruistic reasons.hypster said:
Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.blazing_saddles said:hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?
You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
That’s because these days Costa is a bit of non event.mididoctors said:
You can say that again.... Yeah vingegaard may harbour a grudge though ... Seen this sort of thing many times. .. it became impossible for Rui Costa to win a race ...Pross said:
It was to Vingergaard's benefit as he was moving into first place amongst the also rans. No-one in the trio was doing what they were doing for altruistic reasons.hypster said:
Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.blazing_saddles said:hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?
You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.0 -
Before thatwebboo said:
That’s because these days Costa is a bit of non event.mididoctors said:
You can say that again.... Yeah vingegaard may harbour a grudge though ... Seen this sort of thing many times. .. it became impossible for Rui Costa to win a race ...Pross said:
It was to Vingergaard's benefit as he was moving into first place amongst the also rans. No-one in the trio was doing what they were doing for altruistic reasons.hypster said:
Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.blazing_saddles said:hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?
You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
It's a race not a club ride.hypster said:
Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.blazing_saddles said:hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?
You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.
Correlation is not causation.1 -
It's a bike race, not a popularity contest. Vingegaard was a mug working with Pogacar, he should've sat on him too and made him work for the stage win, not gift it to him. Jumbo-Visma's DS team are a joke, they should've been screaming at him to stop collaborating and focus on the win.hypster said:
Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.blazing_saddles said:hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?
You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.2 -
Just keeping himself in their head, dominating.mididoctors said:Pog kept attacking from the front of the group . Bit telegraphy
“I’m going, come follow if you can”0 -
Why would they do that. They've got two stages already, and working with Pogacar put time into Uran. There was no guarantee Pogacar would just lead them up, he wanted the win as well - and didn't need time.andyp said:
It's a bike race, not a popularity contest. Vingegaard was a mug working with Pogacar, he should've sat on him too and made him work for the stage win, not gift it to him. Jumbo-Visma's DS team are a joke, they should've been screaming at him to stop collaborating and focus on the win.hypster said:
Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.blazing_saddles said:hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?
You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Just watched this, great stage, and a beaut of a climb. Thought vingegaard did the right thing working with pog to secure second on gc.
And the way he came back to get second was *chef's kiss*0 -
Worked with them and put more time into Uran - or sat on and gone for the stage in the last 100m.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
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All that would have happened would be Pogacar soft pedalling and the Uran group catching back up or Carapaz and Vingegaard having to pull.andyp said:
It's a bike race, not a popularity contest. Vingegaard was a mug working with Pogacar, he should've sat on him too and made him work for the stage win, not gift it to him. Jumbo-Visma's DS team are a joke, they should've been screaming at him to stop collaborating and focus on the win.hypster said:
Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.blazing_saddles said:hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?
You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Perez, who had looked good with only a few Kms to go eventually lost 16 minutes!!0
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Before the rest day the gap was 279vs207, Matthews picked up 20 on the day into Andorra so perhaps its the 279vs187 on the day prior to that that you are recalling.Pross said:
Where did Matthews gain his points? When I looked before the rest day I thought he was only a point ahead of Colbrelli and about 100 behind Cav. I know they both gained quite a few points yesterday and Colbrelli more than Matthews. Did Matthews pick a load up over the weekend that I missed?notquite6foot said:
Colbrelli is too far back to be of any concern. Unless Bling gets in the break that'll likely mop the big points up (or the peloton is leading the race at that point), Cav won't be all that fussed.Pross said:I suspect Bike Exchange and Bahrain will push hard to drop Cav on the second 4th cat climb which looks quite tough as it is just before the bonus sprint.
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You could see Pogacar and Vingegaard talking with eachother and they knew Carapez was bluffing. They know Caparez is not strong.hypster said:
Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.blazing_saddles said:hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?hypster said:
In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.RichN95. said:hypster said:
Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.above_the_cows said:
He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?hypster said:Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?
You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.
Funny thing is, Vingegaard was a domestique for Roglic, so who knows what could have happened if Roglic did not crash out of the race. Definetly would have been alot closer at the front.1 -
Maybe I have misunderstood, but how was Carapaz bluffing, but also not being strong?zest28 said:
You could see Pogacar and Vingegaard talking with eachother and they knew Carapez was bluffing. They know Caparez is not strong.
He was bluffing riding on the back and not being able to take turns, or when he went on the attack?
If the latter, I don't think the two of them had any time to talk, as Pogacar headed up the road straight after Carapaz.
Apologies if I have misunderstood what you wrote.
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It's Zest - he seems to have a magic keyboard that converts anything he types to complete nonsense.daniel_b said:
Maybe I have misunderstood, but how was Carapaz bluffing, but also not being strong?zest28 said:
You could see Pogacar and Vingegaard talking with eachother and they knew Carapez was bluffing. They know Caparez is not strong.
He was bluffing riding on the back and not being able to take turns, or when he went on the attack?
If the latter, I don't think the two of them had any time to talk, as Pogacar headed up the road straight after Carapaz.
Apologies if I have misunderstood what you wrote.
Edit - actually it does make sense. Apparently it was Carapez that they knew was bluffing but it was Caparez they know is not strong (I have no idea who either of those riders are though).1 -
Maybe, though you can bluff about how strong you are whilst still not being strong enough to do anything with it when the bluff is revealed. Which is more or less what happened.Pross said:
It's Zest - he seems to have a magic keyboard that converts anything he types to complete nonsense.daniel_b said:
Maybe I have misunderstood, but how was Carapaz bluffing, but also not being strong?zest28 said:
You could see Pogacar and Vingegaard talking with eachother and they knew Carapez was bluffing. They know Caparez is not strong.
He was bluffing riding on the back and not being able to take turns, or when he went on the attack?
If the latter, I don't think the two of them had any time to talk, as Pogacar headed up the road straight after Carapaz.
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Yeah, it seems he pulled back points on Saturday and Sunday. It was after Cav's last stage win that he had the seemingly unassailable lead (he should still have enough providing he doesn't have a disaster tomorrow).larkim said:
Before the rest day the gap was 279vs207, Matthews picked up 20 on the day into Andorra so perhaps its the 279vs187 on the day prior to that that you are recalling.Pross said:
Where did Matthews gain his points? When I looked before the rest day I thought he was only a point ahead of Colbrelli and about 100 behind Cav. I know they both gained quite a few points yesterday and Colbrelli more than Matthews. Did Matthews pick a load up over the weekend that I missed?notquite6foot said:
Colbrelli is too far back to be of any concern. Unless Bling gets in the break that'll likely mop the big points up (or the peloton is leading the race at that point), Cav won't be all that fussed.Pross said:I suspect Bike Exchange and Bahrain will push hard to drop Cav on the second 4th cat climb which looks quite tough as it is just before the bonus sprint.
Matthews then added 13 from the sprint and 22 from the finish to add to his 207 to take him to 242 whilst Cav was stuck on 279.0 -
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Vingegaard told Pogacar that he knew Carapaz was bluffing because his facial expression didn't change when they eased off.rick_chasey said:Carapaz was trying to bluff but I don't think he fooled anyone.
So, no Oscar for Richard...........Gone for a Burton."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Carapaz's attacks have been pretty savage, but with no real depth. he can drop almost anyone but he can't sustain it long enough and gets pulled back.
Vingegaard says he knew he was bluffing and knew the attack was coming, and knew where it was coming. He couldn't follow it though and opted to pace himself.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
blazing_saddles said:
Vingegaard told Pogacar that he knew Carapaz was bluffing because his facial expression didn't change when they eased off.rick_chasey said:Carapaz was trying to bluff but I don't think he fooled anyone.
So, no Oscar for Richard...........Gone for a Burton.
What do they make of Quintana? His facial expression hasn't changed since 2012Twitter: @RichN952 -
Mincemeat?RichN95. said:blazing_saddles said:
Vingegaard told Pogacar that he knew Carapaz was bluffing because his facial expression didn't change when they eased off.rick_chasey said:Carapaz was trying to bluff but I don't think he fooled anyone.
So, no Oscar for Richard...........Gone for a Burton.
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