TDF 2021: Stage 17 Muret > Saint-Lary-Soulan Col du Portet 178.4 km **Spoilers**

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  • Pross said:

    Pross said:

    I suspect Bike Exchange and Bahrain will push hard to drop Cav on the second 4th cat climb which looks quite tough as it is just before the bonus sprint.

    Colbrelli is too far back to be of any concern. Unless Bling gets in the break that'll likely mop the big points up (or the peloton is leading the race at that point), Cav won't be all that fussed.
    Where did Matthews gain his points? When I looked before the rest day I thought he was only a point ahead of Colbrelli and about 100 behind Cav. I know they both gained quite a few points yesterday and Colbrelli more than Matthews. Did Matthews pick a load up over the weekend that I missed?
    He gained 29 points from inters on Sat/Sun (he was in the break for the latter), so 72 points behind on the second rest day.
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,467
    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    They've been sucking his wheel for the last week whilst their own teams have been all over the shop. He had every right to sit on.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 21,812
    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?
    Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?

    You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.
    Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.
    That was Vingegaard's choice.
    If you think Carapaz was obligated to work with them, so they could drop him later, to avoid being tagged as "a wheel sucker", you are perfectly entitled to think that.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,750
    edited July 2021
    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?
    Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?

    You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.
    Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.
    Vinegard was quite happy to work with Pogacar to drop Carapaz. Carapaz was quite happy to drop Vinegard. Pogacar was just a passenger in the battle for second.

    Although Pogacar does like to show who is boss.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,596
    The posts here make me think Carapaz won the stage.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,490
    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?
    Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?

    You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.
    Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.
    It was to Vingergaard's benefit as he was moving into first place amongst the also rans. No-one in the trio was doing what they were doing for altruistic reasons.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 16,805
    Pog kept attacking from the front of the group . Bit telegraphy
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 16,805
    edited July 2021
    Pross said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?
    Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?

    You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.
    Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.
    It was to Vingergaard's benefit as he was moving into first place amongst the also rans. No-one in the trio was doing what they were doing for altruistic reasons.
    You can say that again.... Yeah vingegaard may harbour a grudge though ... Seen this sort of thing many times. .. it became impossible for Rui Costa to win a race ...
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087

    Pross said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?
    Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?

    You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.
    Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.
    It was to Vingergaard's benefit as he was moving into first place amongst the also rans. No-one in the trio was doing what they were doing for altruistic reasons.
    You can say that again.... Yeah vingegaard may harbour a grudge though ... Seen this sort of thing many times. .. it became impossible for Rui Costa to win a race ...
    That’s because these days Costa is a bit of non event.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 16,805
    webboo said:

    Pross said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?
    Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?

    You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.
    Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.
    It was to Vingergaard's benefit as he was moving into first place amongst the also rans. No-one in the trio was doing what they were doing for altruistic reasons.
    You can say that again.... Yeah vingegaard may harbour a grudge though ... Seen this sort of thing many times. .. it became impossible for Rui Costa to win a race ...
    That’s because these days Costa is a bit of non event.
    Before that
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?
    Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?

    You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.
    Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,105
    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?
    Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?

    You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.
    Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.
    It's a bike race, not a popularity contest. Vingegaard was a mug working with Pogacar, he should've sat on him too and made him work for the stage win, not gift it to him. Jumbo-Visma's DS team are a joke, they should've been screaming at him to stop collaborating and focus on the win.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,615

    Pog kept attacking from the front of the group . Bit telegraphy

    Just keeping himself in their head, dominating.

    “I’m going, come follow if you can”
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 13,311
    andyp said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?
    Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?

    You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.
    Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.
    It's a bike race, not a popularity contest. Vingegaard was a mug working with Pogacar, he should've sat on him too and made him work for the stage win, not gift it to him. Jumbo-Visma's DS team are a joke, they should've been screaming at him to stop collaborating and focus on the win.
    Why would they do that. They've got two stages already, and working with Pogacar put time into Uran. There was no guarantee Pogacar would just lead them up, he wanted the win as well - and didn't need time.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 26,231
    Just watched this, great stage, and a beaut of a climb. Thought vingegaard did the right thing working with pog to secure second on gc.

    And the way he came back to get second was *chef's kiss*
  • DeVlaeminck
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    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Worked with them and put more time into Uran - or sat on and gone for the stage in the last 100m.
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 8,738
    andyp said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?
    Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?

    You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.
    Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.
    It's a bike race, not a popularity contest. Vingegaard was a mug working with Pogacar, he should've sat on him too and made him work for the stage win, not gift it to him. Jumbo-Visma's DS team are a joke, they should've been screaming at him to stop collaborating and focus on the win.
    All that would have happened would be Pogacar soft pedalling and the Uran group catching back up or Carapaz and Vingegaard having to pull.
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  • womack
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    Perez, who had looked good with only a few Kms to go eventually lost 16 minutes!!
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,150
    edited July 2021
    If Pogacar wants to go to the front and do all the work then let him. See also Cancellara, Sagan, Van der Poel, Evenepoel……
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  • larkim
    larkim Posts: 2,474
    Pross said:

    Pross said:

    I suspect Bike Exchange and Bahrain will push hard to drop Cav on the second 4th cat climb which looks quite tough as it is just before the bonus sprint.

    Colbrelli is too far back to be of any concern. Unless Bling gets in the break that'll likely mop the big points up (or the peloton is leading the race at that point), Cav won't be all that fussed.
    Where did Matthews gain his points? When I looked before the rest day I thought he was only a point ahead of Colbrelli and about 100 behind Cav. I know they both gained quite a few points yesterday and Colbrelli more than Matthews. Did Matthews pick a load up over the weekend that I missed?
    Before the rest day the gap was 279vs207, Matthews picked up 20 on the day into Andorra so perhaps its the 279vs187 on the day prior to that that you are recalling.

    Matthews then added 13 from the sprint and 22 from the finish to add to his 207 to take him to 242 whilst Cav was stuck on 279.
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  • zest28
    zest28 Posts: 403
    edited July 2021
    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?
    Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?

    You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.
    Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.
    You could see Pogacar and Vingegaard talking with eachother and they knew Carapez was bluffing. They know Caparez is not strong.

    Funny thing is, Vingegaard was a domestique for Roglic, so who knows what could have happened if Roglic did not crash out of the race. Definetly would have been alot closer at the front.
  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,579
    zest28 said:


    You could see Pogacar and Vingegaard talking with eachother and they knew Carapez was bluffing. They know Caparez is not strong.

    Maybe I have misunderstood, but how was Carapaz bluffing, but also not being strong?

    He was bluffing riding on the back and not being able to take turns, or when he went on the attack?
    If the latter, I don't think the two of them had any time to talk, as Pogacar headed up the road straight after Carapaz.

    Apologies if I have misunderstood what you wrote.

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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,490
    edited July 2021
    daniel_b said:

    zest28 said:


    You could see Pogacar and Vingegaard talking with eachother and they knew Carapez was bluffing. They know Caparez is not strong.

    Maybe I have misunderstood, but how was Carapaz bluffing, but also not being strong?

    He was bluffing riding on the back and not being able to take turns, or when he went on the attack?
    If the latter, I don't think the two of them had any time to talk, as Pogacar headed up the road straight after Carapaz.

    Apologies if I have misunderstood what you wrote.

    It's Zest - he seems to have a magic keyboard that converts anything he types to complete nonsense.

    Edit - actually it does make sense. Apparently it was Carapez that they knew was bluffing but it was Caparez they know is not strong (I have no idea who either of those riders are though).
  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,091
    Pross said:

    daniel_b said:

    zest28 said:


    You could see Pogacar and Vingegaard talking with eachother and they knew Carapez was bluffing. They know Caparez is not strong.

    Maybe I have misunderstood, but how was Carapaz bluffing, but also not being strong?

    He was bluffing riding on the back and not being able to take turns, or when he went on the attack?
    If the latter, I don't think the two of them had any time to talk, as Pogacar headed up the road straight after Carapaz.

    Apologies if I have misunderstood what you wrote.

    It's Zest - he seems to have a magic keyboard that converts anything he types to complete nonsense.
    Maybe, though you can bluff about how strong you are whilst still not being strong enough to do anything with it when the bluff is revealed. Which is more or less what happened.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,490
    edited July 2021
    larkim said:

    Pross said:

    Pross said:

    I suspect Bike Exchange and Bahrain will push hard to drop Cav on the second 4th cat climb which looks quite tough as it is just before the bonus sprint.

    Colbrelli is too far back to be of any concern. Unless Bling gets in the break that'll likely mop the big points up (or the peloton is leading the race at that point), Cav won't be all that fussed.
    Where did Matthews gain his points? When I looked before the rest day I thought he was only a point ahead of Colbrelli and about 100 behind Cav. I know they both gained quite a few points yesterday and Colbrelli more than Matthews. Did Matthews pick a load up over the weekend that I missed?
    Before the rest day the gap was 279vs207, Matthews picked up 20 on the day into Andorra so perhaps its the 279vs187 on the day prior to that that you are recalling.

    Matthews then added 13 from the sprint and 22 from the finish to add to his 207 to take him to 242 whilst Cav was stuck on 279.
    Yeah, it seems he pulled back points on Saturday and Sunday. It was after Cav's last stage win that he had the seemingly unassailable lead (he should still have enough providing he doesn't have a disaster tomorrow).
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,615
    Carapaz was trying to bluff but I don't think he fooled anyone.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 21,812
    edited July 2021

    Carapaz was trying to bluff but I don't think he fooled anyone.

    Vingegaard told Pogacar that he knew Carapaz was bluffing because his facial expression didn't change when they eased off.

    So, no Oscar for Richard...........Gone for a Burton.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 13,311
    Carapaz's attacks have been pretty savage, but with no real depth. he can drop almost anyone but he can't sustain it long enough and gets pulled back.

    Vingegaard says he knew he was bluffing and knew the attack was coming, and knew where it was coming. He couldn't follow it though and opted to pace himself.
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  • RichN95.
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    Carapaz was trying to bluff but I don't think he fooled anyone.

    Vingegaard told Pogacar that he knew Carapaz was bluffing because his facial expression didn't change when they eased off.

    So, no Oscar for Richard...........Gone for a Burton.

    What do they make of Quintana? His facial expression hasn't changed since 2012
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 13,311
    RichN95. said:

    Carapaz was trying to bluff but I don't think he fooled anyone.

    Vingegaard told Pogacar that he knew Carapaz was bluffing because his facial expression didn't change when they eased off.

    So, no Oscar for Richard...........Gone for a Burton.

    What do they make of Quintana? His facial expression hasn't changed since 2012
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