TDF 2021: Stage 17 Muret > Saint-Lary-Soulan Col du Portet 178.4 km **Spoilers**

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  • N0bodyOfTheGoat
    N0bodyOfTheGoat Posts: 5,845
    At least Pog was kept quite honest by Vinegar.
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  • above_the_cows
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    jam1e said:

    Bollocks.

    There were a pair on display in a lime green mankini yes.
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 16,805
    LOL
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
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    edited July 2021
    Carapaz needed to.wait 250m more
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 21,812
    Well, if there was any doubt. This race had the guts ripped out of it on the very first mountain stage.
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  • larkim
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    For anyone that's interested, this time calculator for the cut offs works pretty well.

    https://www.velofacts.com/cx-laps/tour-de-france-2021-time-limit-calculator.html

    Pretty easy to predict the cut off based on the time schedules so whilst I'm getting excited about Cav making or not making the cut I reckon it's pretty much a done deal as they get on their bikes in the morning, providing nothing untoward happens during the day.
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  • mididoctors
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    Pogacar over estimated himself there. Carapaz flicking them both was comedy gold
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
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    Well, if there was any doubt. This race had the guts ripped out of it on the very first mountain stage.

    First time trial
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,490
    Pretty sure Pog was smiling on Carapaz's wheel just before Vingergaard got back.

    It feels like we regularly look forward to a battle between young riders for years to come that never materialises but it does feel like Pog and Vingergaard (plus hopefully a fit again Bernal) could become a bit of a cycling equivalent of Federer, Nadal and Djokovic.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    Quite happy with that. Carapaz not getting anything out of trying to mug a viking
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  • Pross
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    Wiggins really struggles with riders' names.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Pross said:

    Wiggins really struggles with riders' names.

    That well known Polish rider Raphael Majka



    Correlation is not causation.
  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,905

    Well, if there was any doubt. This race had the guts ripped out of it on the very first mountain stage.

    It's been notable for Vingegaard coming from nowhere to ride with the best in the world.
  • hypster
    hypster Posts: 1,229
    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.
  • hypster
    hypster Posts: 1,229
    I guess we can call him Dick Dastardly from now on!
  • hypster
    hypster Posts: 1,229
    LOL!
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Correlation is not causation.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 16,805
    Everyone in under time
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
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    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    Best tactics he has used all tour
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  • Pross
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    Cav in a minibus at 34.10 a couple of minutes behind the 52 seater
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,490

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Agreed, thought he played it well but Pog was too strong for him. I think he did genuinely struggle when Pog first attacked and may have needed some time to recover after Castro paced him back
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,490
    Tomorrow is a coefficient 5 luckily as that will probably make the time cut similar to today. At the same percentage as today they would probably only had a 20-25 limit. I suspect Bike Exchange and Bahrain will push hard to drop Cav on the second 4th cat climb which looks quite tough as it is just before the bonus sprint.
  • hypster
    hypster Posts: 1,229

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.

  • Pross said:

    I suspect Bike Exchange and Bahrain will push hard to drop Cav on the second 4th cat climb which looks quite tough as it is just before the bonus sprint.

    Colbrelli is too far back to be of any concern. Unless Bling gets in the break that'll likely mop the big points up (or the peloton is leading the race at that point), Cav won't be all that fussed.
  • RichN95.
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    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
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  • hypster
    hypster Posts: 1,229
    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,490
    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    It's a mountain stage, there's little to be gained by sharing the work. Pog initiated the attacking, Carapaz lost ground initially then sat in once he got back. If you attack on a mountain you need to be prepared for others to just follow and wait for their moment. I really don't get why people are trying to make something out of it.
  • Pross
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    Pross said:

    I suspect Bike Exchange and Bahrain will push hard to drop Cav on the second 4th cat climb which looks quite tough as it is just before the bonus sprint.

    Colbrelli is too far back to be of any concern. Unless Bling gets in the break that'll likely mop the big points up (or the peloton is leading the race at that point), Cav won't be all that fussed.
    Where did Matthews gain his points? When I looked before the rest day I thought he was only a point ahead of Colbrelli and about 100 behind Cav. I know they both gained quite a few points yesterday and Colbrelli more than Matthews. Did Matthews pick a load up over the weekend that I missed?
  • blazing_saddles
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    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?
    Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?

    You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.
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  • hypster
    hypster Posts: 1,229

    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    hypster said:

    RichN95. said:

    hypster said:

    hypster said:

    Piss poor tactics from Carapaz, I think.

    He's moved onto the podium and he tried to move ahead of Vingegaard. What do you think he should have done instead?
    Co-operated with Pogacar and Vingegaard to put even more time into Uran. I hope Uran knocks him off the podium.


    He took 1.50 out of him and there's another stage tomorrow. He only lost 36s to Uran in the first TT. He now leads him by a minute and a half. Carapaz wanted the stage.
    In doing so he treated Pogacar and Vingegaard like mugs. I'm sure Pogacar will bide his time and pay back Carapaz in Spades. Hopefully that will be on tomorrow's stage and Uran can get some time back. He's a better time-trialler than he showed in the first TT as well.
    Where does it say in these unwritten rules, that if you are attacked but don't get dropped, you have to work with the guy who attacked you?
    Plus why on earth would Carapaz work with a guy who is 1 second ahead on GC?

    You must have been listening to the nonsense ITV were spouting.
    Well Vingegaard had no problem working with Pogacar even though he was trying to drop him. The pair of them were so pissed off with Carapaz's tactics that they obviously agreed at one point to try and work together to drop him. Nobody likes a wheel-sucker obviously.