TDF 2021:- Stage 15, Céret > Andorre-La-Vieille 191.3km **Spoilers**
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I blame Sky (or Wiggle).0
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I think Thomas was also dropped before he managed to take over from Kwia at the front.m.r.m. said:
Well a telegraphed attack does take some time...Pross said:So Castro and van Baarle dropped at the same time or called back as a link for a Carapaz attack?
If the latter they may as well have emailed UAE advanced notice0 -
The real problem with ineos tactics is carapaz can't drop Uran after all that effort ."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Ineos' tactics are basically a cargo cult at this point. They're doing all the work for a leader in the hope one turns up.1
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In the words of Sean, "It's all for nothing if you've not got the good legs.".
With the exception of Pogacar they are all much of a muchness in the mountains.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Ouch.Lanterne_Rogue said:Ineos' tactics are basically a cargo cult at this point. They're doing all the work for a leader in the hope one turns up.
There's really nothing to separate Carapaz and Uran in the mountains at the moment. It's a little ironic that the much vaunted (Vaughtered?) chaos-riders ethos of EF ends in utterly defensive gc riding when the sheet gets realWarning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
I thought Thomas did the final stint on the front of the big climb and stayed in on the descent?phreak said:
I think Thomas was also dropped before he managed to take over from Kwia at the front.m.r.m. said:
Well a telegraphed attack does take some time...Pross said:So Castro and van Baarle dropped at the same time or called back as a link for a Carapaz attack?
If the latter they may as well have emailed UAE advanced notice0 -
That's what I thought too.Pross said:
I thought Thomas did the final stint on the front of the big climb and stayed in on the descent?phreak said:
I think Thomas was also dropped before he managed to take over from Kwia at the front.m.r.m. said:
Well a telegraphed attack does take some time...Pross said:So Castro and van Baarle dropped at the same time or called back as a link for a Carapaz attack?
If the latter they may as well have emailed UAE advanced noticeCorrelation is not causation.0 -
On the final climb it was Castroviejo, Thomas, Carapaz but Thomas pulled out of the line before Castroviejo pulled off so couldn't do his turn on the frontPross said:
I thought Thomas did the final stint on the front of the big climb and stayed in on the descent?phreak said:
I think Thomas was also dropped before he managed to take over from Kwia at the front.m.r.m. said:
Well a telegraphed attack does take some time...Pross said:So Castro and van Baarle dropped at the same time or called back as a link for a Carapaz attack?
If the latter they may as well have emailed UAE advanced notice0 -
They should have another tactic in this situationmididoctors said:The real problem with ineos tactics is carapaz can't drop Uran after all that effort .
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They aren't talking about the final climb, but the Port d’Envalira. Hence the reference to the big climb, which was Thomas doing the final stint.r0bh said:
On the final climb it was Castroviejo, Thomas, Carapaz but Thomas pulled out of the line before Castroviejo pulled off so couldn't do his turn on the frontPross said:
I thought Thomas did the final stint on the front of the big climb and stayed in on the descent?phreak said:
I think Thomas was also dropped before he managed to take over from Kwia at the front.m.r.m. said:
Well a telegraphed attack does take some time...Pross said:So Castro and van Baarle dropped at the same time or called back as a link for a Carapaz attack?
If the latter they may as well have emailed UAE advanced notice"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
The only other tactic is going for stage wins. Guess they are not trying that while there is still a podium place up for grabs.rick_chasey said:
They should have another tactic in this situationmididoctors said:The real problem with ineos tactics is carapaz can't drop Uran after all that effort .
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I'm yet to watch this stage, and have avoided the result - is it worth watching?Felt F70 05 (Turbo)
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Cheers - last 50k or so cover things in the main?rick_chasey said:
It's fine, not a massive snooze, not one that will rise you out of your seat.daniel_b said:I'm yet to watch this stage, and have avoided the result - is it worth watching?
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Yeah I'd watch from just before the top of the penulimate climb.daniel_b said:
Cheers - last 50k or so cover things in the main?rick_chasey said:
It's fine, not a massive snooze, not one that will rise you out of your seat.daniel_b said:I'm yet to watch this stage, and have avoided the result - is it worth watching?
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They're not doing much harm though are they? All they can do is try and hope something happens.mididoctors said:The real problem with ineos tactics is carapaz can't drop Uran after all that effort .
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You don't always have to put a train on to gain a place, you know.pblakeney said:
The only other tactic is going for stage wins. Guess they are not trying that while there is still a podium place up for grabs.rick_chasey said:
They should have another tactic in this situationmididoctors said:The real problem with ineos tactics is carapaz can't drop Uran after all that effort .
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Carapaz has already tried the solo attack. What else is left?rick_chasey said:
You don't always have to put a train on to gain a place, you know.pblakeney said:
The only other tactic is going for stage wins. Guess they are not trying that while there is still a podium place up for grabs.rick_chasey said:
They should have another tactic in this situationmididoctors said:The real problem with ineos tactics is carapaz can't drop Uran after all that effort .
The opposition just sit on his wheel so any other team tactics are nullified.
I'm guessing that they have considered the just pedal faster tactic.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
They could use the team earlier in the day to soften up the other teams with a view to getting carapaz down the road earlier in the day, for example.pblakeney said:
Carapaz has already tried the solo attack. What else is left?rick_chasey said:
You don't always have to put a train on to gain a place, you know.pblakeney said:
The only other tactic is going for stage wins. Guess they are not trying that while there is still a podium place up for grabs.rick_chasey said:
They should have another tactic in this situationmididoctors said:The real problem with ineos tactics is carapaz can't drop Uran after all that effort .
The opposition just sit on his wheel so any other team tactics are nullified.
I'm guessing that they have considered the just pedal faster tactic.0 -
They've already tried that IMO. It just doesn't work when they all sit on the wheel and people moan about the Ineos train. Bottom line, it's not due to a lack of trying.rick_chasey said:
They could use the team earlier in the day to soften up the other teams with a view to getting carapaz down the road earlier in the day, for example.pblakeney said:
Carapaz has already tried the solo attack. What else is left?rick_chasey said:
You don't always have to put a train on to gain a place, you know.pblakeney said:
The only other tactic is going for stage wins. Guess they are not trying that while there is still a podium place up for grabs.rick_chasey said:
They should have another tactic in this situationmididoctors said:The real problem with ineos tactics is carapaz can't drop Uran after all that effort .
The opposition just sit on his wheel so any other team tactics are nullified.
I'm guessing that they have considered the just pedal faster tactic.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Ineos came to the front near the top of the cat 2, to lead the descent, didn't they? 60km out with 2 cat 1s ahead. If they worked any earlier they'd be putting Carapaz in the break... Which would be interesting, but I can't see it winning them many friends in the pelotonWarning No formatter is installed for the format0
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They’ve also tried the train, repeatedly and keep doing it.pblakeney said:
They've already tried that IMO. It just doesn't work when they all sit on the wheel and people moan about the Ineos train. Bottom line, it's not due to a lack of trying.rick_chasey said:
They could use the team earlier in the day to soften up the other teams with a view to getting carapaz down the road earlier in the day, for example.pblakeney said:
Carapaz has already tried the solo attack. What else is left?rick_chasey said:
You don't always have to put a train on to gain a place, you know.pblakeney said:
The only other tactic is going for stage wins. Guess they are not trying that while there is still a podium place up for grabs.rick_chasey said:
They should have another tactic in this situationmididoctors said:The real problem with ineos tactics is carapaz can't drop Uran after all that effort .
The opposition just sit on his wheel so any other team tactics are nullified.
I'm guessing that they have considered the just pedal faster tactic.
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What alternative have they not tried?rick_chasey said:
They’ve also tried the train, repeatedly and keep doing it.pblakeney said:
They've already tried that IMO. It just doesn't work when they all sit on the wheel and people moan about the Ineos train. Bottom line, it's not due to a lack of trying.rick_chasey said:
They could use the team earlier in the day to soften up the other teams with a view to getting carapaz down the road earlier in the day, for example.pblakeney said:
Carapaz has already tried the solo attack. What else is left?rick_chasey said:
You don't always have to put a train on to gain a place, you know.pblakeney said:
The only other tactic is going for stage wins. Guess they are not trying that while there is still a podium place up for grabs.rick_chasey said:
They should have another tactic in this situationmididoctors said:The real problem with ineos tactics is carapaz can't drop Uran after all that effort .
The opposition just sit on his wheel so any other team tactics are nullified.
I'm guessing that they have considered the just pedal faster tactic.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
The train did what it was supposed to do, shelled out all the domestiques. They don't have other riders to attack with, the original strat for the race, and Pog and Uran were able to close every gap. The only other rider to be doing much attacking was Vingegaard, who was also closed. O'connor had a couple of goes but paid for it.rick_chasey said:
They’ve also tried the train, repeatedly and keep doing it.pblakeney said:
They've already tried that IMO. It just doesn't work when they all sit on the wheel and people moan about the Ineos train. Bottom line, it's not due to a lack of trying.rick_chasey said:
They could use the team earlier in the day to soften up the other teams with a view to getting carapaz down the road earlier in the day, for example.pblakeney said:
Carapaz has already tried the solo attack. What else is left?rick_chasey said:
You don't always have to put a train on to gain a place, you know.pblakeney said:
The only other tactic is going for stage wins. Guess they are not trying that while there is still a podium place up for grabs.rick_chasey said:
They should have another tactic in this situationmididoctors said:The real problem with ineos tactics is carapaz can't drop Uran after all that effort .
The opposition just sit on his wheel so any other team tactics are nullified.
I'm guessing that they have considered the just pedal faster tactic.
Aside from the train they also had riders up the road to help.
Ineos did pretty much everything they could, it just didn't get a result because Carapaz doesn't have an edge on any of the others.
I really don't see much in the way of tactics they could use that's going to solve that.Warning No formatter is installed for the format1
