TDF 2021: Stage 11, Sorgues > Malaucène 198.9 km **Spoilers**

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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    takethehighroad said:

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    mrb123 said:

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  • pblakeney
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    I'm Fabian!
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,486
    For all the talk about Ineos tactics today it is worth noting that Carapaz is now only 16 seconds off second place. 1st is long gone....
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,692
    pblakeney said:

    For all the talk about Ineos tactics today it is worth noting that Carapaz is now only 16 seconds off second place. 1st is long gone....

    Some wheat was sorted from the chaff today.

    Uran is looking useful and his TT is better than Carapaz I think. Vingegaard is the only one of the three with a serious TT though - if he can hang on in there. It's only his 2nd gt, nobody really knows what he might be like 3rd week.
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    Ineos need to keep the pressure on .
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • dannbodge
    dannbodge Posts: 1,152
    Ended up following today's stage on the official TDF website.
    Waaay better than the Eurosport live text.
  • hypster
    hypster Posts: 1,229
    pblakeney said:

    For all the talk about Ineos tactics today it is worth noting that Carapaz is now only 16 seconds off second place. 1st is long gone....


    Yes, I love the armchair pundits on here who question Ineos' tactics when it's obvious that the only hope Carapaz has is to gain time in the mountains as his TT is so bad compared to the rest of the GC rivals. Do they expect that UAE are going to chase with Pogacar so far in front?

  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    hypster said:

    pblakeney said:

    For all the talk about Ineos tactics today it is worth noting that Carapaz is now only 16 seconds off second place. 1st is long gone....


    Yes, I love the armchair pundits on here who question Ineos' tactics when it's obvious that the only hope Carapaz has is to gain time in the mountains as his TT is so bad compared to the rest of the GC rivals. Do they expect that UAE are going to chase with Pogacar so far in front?

    It’s obvious. Is also a bit sad. It can be both.

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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    Picked a bad day to not be able to watch... 😥
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    ddraver said:

    Picked a bad day to not be able to watch... 😥

    I have a new Belgian man crush and he won today. 😍😍😍
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    Ineos need to keep the pressure on. They have no choice . That or give up and go for a stage
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    mididoctors said:

    Ineos need to keep the pressure on. They have no choice . That or give up and go for a stage

    Training it hard into HC climb when not in yellow is not conventional and is a bit sad.

    It felt like a “come join us Pog” effort tbh
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  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    It did however show Pogs not quite the superhuman that everyone seemed to believe.
  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,833
    webboo said:

    It did however show Pogs not quite the superhuman that everyone seemed to believe.

    That's what he wants you to think...
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,575
    Pross said:

    The whole team look out of sorts, sure Carapaz is challenging for the podium but you would expect him to have more time on those around him. Rowe wasn't in the front echelon when we briefly had them yesterday which is unusual. Castro and Kwia have been the only two who have possibly done what you would expect. I appreciate that Thomas and Porte have had more than one crash, possibly others too, but it doesn't seem very like Ineos.

    They've been disappointing for the past three Tours. In 2019 Thomas and Bernal had very little support in the high mountains. They were poor last year, and Carapaz and Kwiatkowski saved their race by getting a stage win with their last opportunity. Only the two riders you've already highlighted have looked worth their selection this year. Carapaz is well placed still, but he doesn't look like he has the form he had in Switzerland.

    I do wonder if their training regime needs a refresh because this is the third year running where most of the team look knackered from early on in the race.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    hypster said:

    pblakeney said:

    For all the talk about Ineos tactics today it is worth noting that Carapaz is now only 16 seconds off second place. 1st is long gone....


    Yes, I love the armchair pundits on here who question Ineos' tactics when it's obvious that the only hope Carapaz has is to gain time in the mountains as his TT is so bad compared to the rest of the GC rivals. Do they expect that UAE are going to chase with Pogacar so far in front?

    Armchair pundits like Kelly, Smith and.Backstedt? None of them could make sense of it, the best guess they could make was they wanted to keep the break in check to go for the stage. I'm not convinced sitting on the front riding at the same pace as the break for 100km is the best tactic for breaking down your opposition whether you're trying to win or secure a place on the podium. It was hardly a 2012 style Sky train.
  • pblakeney
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  • womack
    womack Posts: 566
    Why does G. Martin always get dropped just before the end of every climb.

    A true nearly man!
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154
    I still don't get how blokes who are over 6ft and 75kg can climb like the Quintana's of this World.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    webboo said:

    It did however show Pogs not quite the superhuman that everyone seemed to believe.

    And yet everyone else got dropped by Vingegaard as well. They all need to keep doing that and harder, and hope it's a sign of weakening.

    It's made me slightly less certain that it's all over. Down to 90%
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    Not sure what Ineos should or could have done today.
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  • thejimmymethod
    thejimmymethod Posts: 458
    focuszing723 said:

    I still don't get how blokes who are over 6ft and 75kg can climb like the Quintana's of this World.

    That's not fair. He climbs much better than Quintana
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,486
    Quintana can no longer climb like Quintana.
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  • neonriver
    neonriver Posts: 228
    andyp said:

    Pross said:

    The whole team look out of sorts, sure Carapaz is challenging for the podium but you would expect him to have more time on those around him. Rowe wasn't in the front echelon when we briefly had them yesterday which is unusual. Castro and Kwia have been the only two who have possibly done what you would expect. I appreciate that Thomas and Porte have had more than one crash, possibly others too, but it doesn't seem very like Ineos.

    They've been disappointing for the past three Tours. In 2019 Thomas and Bernal had very little support in the high mountains. They were poor last year, and Carapaz and Kwiatkowski saved their race by getting a stage win with their last opportunity. Only the two riders you've already highlighted have looked worth their selection this year. Carapaz is well placed still, but he doesn't look like he has the form he had in Switzerland.

    I do wonder if their training regime needs a refresh because this is the third year running where most of the team look knackered from early on in the race.
    At this point last year Bernal was 2nd 21secs behind Rog
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,575
    Remind me how that ended?
  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    edited July 2021
    webboo said:

    It did however show Pogs not quite the superhuman that everyone seemed to believe.

    Vingegaard recorded a quicker time up the mountain than Froome did in 2013, and was almost a minute faster than him from Chalet Reynard so there appear to be a lot of very fast guys at this race. Even Pogacar's "being dropped" time was comparable with Froome's time that day, which given that people seemed to regard Froome's ride that day as superhuman suggests these guys aren't doing so bad, even on apparent bad days.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    edited July 2021
    wrong spoiler thread
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    edited July 2021
    phreak said:

    webboo said:

    It did however show Pogs not quite the superhuman that everyone seemed to believe.

    Vingegaard recorded a quicker time up the mountain than Froome did in 2013, and was almost a minute faster than him from Chalet Reynard so there appear to be a lot of very fast guys at this race. Even Pogacar's "being dropped" time was comparable with Froome's time that day, which given that people seemed to regard Froome's ride that day as superhuman suggests these guys aren't doing so bad, even on apparent bad days.

    You know they had mostly tailwind on the Ventoux, right?

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  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    edited July 2021
    blazing_saddles said:

    phreak said:

    webboo said:

    It did however show Pogs not quite the superhuman that everyone seemed to believe.

    Vingegaard recorded a quicker time up the mountain than Froome did in 2013, and was almost a minute faster than him from Chalet Reynard so there appear to be a lot of very fast guys at this race. Even Pogacar's "being dropped" time was comparable with Froome's time that day, which given that people seemed to regard Froome's ride that day as superhuman suggests these guys aren't doing so bad, even on apparent bad days.

    You know they had mostly tailwind on the Ventoux, right?

    On the last 6km was my understanding? The Guardian report from 2013 suggests they had a "howling tailwind" that day too, hence why the race finished an hour ahead of schedule.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/jul/14/tour-de-france-2013-chris-froome-stage-15
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,692
    Can't remember now, but was the new tarmac on the descent only, or was there some on the climb? The old surface looked pretty heavy
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