Rim Brake Sales
Thank god some manufacturers are providing choice and letting sales decide what to make rather than marketing.
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Small manufacturers benefitting from the big manufacturers shift?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
If I understand you right, 66% of people are still buying disc brake bikes. But would be interesting to see some proper stats on that as I have heard other places say there is more availability of rim brake parts at the moment, so maybe some people are just buying what is available.
Just how people still make steel bikes, I can't see rim bikes ever going away. But you won't get me ever buying one again.
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from this month's cyclist - interview with bod who set up Reap cycles
Rim brakes - all you ever need
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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They have two disc brake bikes covering race (Palace 3) and enduance (Weald), so on a per frame basis, rim sales are matching disc.PMark said:If I understand you right, 66% of people are still buying disc brake bikes. But would be interesting to see some proper stats on that as I have heard other places say there is more availability of rim brake parts at the moment, so maybe some people are just buying what is available.
Just how people still make steel bikes, I can't see rim bikes ever going away. But you won't get me ever buying one again.
I think pblakeney is probably right in that small brands are picking up the business because big brands are not offering the choice. That was certainly my reason and the reality is that between very cheap frames and uber expensive (Pinarello Dogma) the market is now barren, despite what some of the magazines claim.
However as far as Far East manufacturing is concerned it is actually easier for a large brands to offer niche products, because they are in a far better negotiating position. We can only hope that when supply is back to normal, that some major brands might start to give us choice again. Hope it is though....0 -
And amphibious bikes apparently...MattFalle said:
from this month's cyclist - interview with bod who set up Reap cycles
Rim brakes - all you ever need 0 -
Once the manufacturers have got everyone onto discs they'll start launching a load of new rim brake models proclaiming them to be the best thing since sliced bread.
Bit like Specialized bringing out that new totally un-aero Aethos thing despite years of telling us that aero is everything.0 -
And as much as PMark will only ever buy disc bikes I have no intention of ever buying one.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Neither will iMattFalle said:And as much as PMark will only ever buy disc bikes I have no intention of ever buying one.
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^^ThisMattFalle said:And as much as PMark will only ever buy disc bikes I have no intention of ever buying one.
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In principle, if they came down in price and in weight, I wouldn't have a fundamental objection to buying a bike with hydraulics...
the real issue for me is that, being a home mechanic with very little experience with hydraulics, I'd have to learn, buy tools etc... bike shops can't be relied upon these days. If you have a problem, they "book you in" for 6 weeks later!
As things stand, weight is not competitive for the price bracket I could afford.left the forum March 20230 -
^^This.ugo.santalucia said:In principle, if they came down in price and in weight, I wouldn't have a fundamental objection to buying a bike with hydraulics...
the real issue for me is that, being a home mechanic with very little experience with hydraulics, I'd have to learn, buy tools etc... bike shops can't be relied upon these days. If you have a problem, they "book you in" for 6 weeks later!
As things stand, weight is not competitive for the price bracket I could afford.
Sticking with rims for the foreseeable.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
yup - this.ugo.santalucia said:In principle, if they came down in price and in weight, I wouldn't have a fundamental objection to buying a bike with hydraulics...
the real issue for me is that, being a home mechanic with very little experience with hydraulics, I'd have to learn, buy tools etc... bike shops can't be relied upon these days. If you have a problem, they "book you in" for 6 weeks later!
As things stand, weight is not competitive for the price bracket I could afford.
added to ugly fat hoods needed to accomidate the hydraulics, all the fagging needed re changing hoses, short pad life, the noise.......
nah thanks. never had any problems with rims, thats the way i'm stayibg.
also means my stock of wheels can still be used and i don't have to buy price inflated price disc wheels..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Strongly hope I can still get a decent rim brake bike next year because I can get a competitive weight semi aero bike for under my £3k cycle to work scheme limit. Would have zero chance for a disc brake - it would be an 8kilo porker at that price.
Disc brake bikes have their advantages but if you're intending on racing, where you hardly ever touch the brakes anyway, it's just ballast (and dry weather braking is as good as you ever need anyway).0 -
One would think that if it was possible to make a disc braked bike the same weight as the equivalent rim braked one they would have managed it by now. As it stands, a kilo extra weight seems to be about standard.0
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Bizarrely Ineos seem to not do too bad on rim braked bikes.....
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Carapaz was dropped on the climb. If he'd have been on discs he would have caught up on the descent. Surely?MattFalle said:Bizarrely Ineos seem to not do too bad on rim braked bikes....
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According to the marketing, undoubtedly..
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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mrb123 said:
One would think that if it was possible to make a disc braked bike the same weight as the equivalent rim braked one they would have managed it by now. As it stands, a kilo extra weight seems to be about standard.
They can. They are just twice the price of the equivalent rim braked version.
I have a disc brake winter bike where weight isn't a consideration. Yes there are downsides to them but there are advantages as well so all things being equal it does what I need it to do.
Do I "need" discs? No.
Would I buy another? For winter use, yes. On a best bike, no.
That said I don't agree at all with all the biggest bike brands not catering for rim brakes. Consumers should have the choice & not be made to have 1 or the other.0 -
Has anyone mentioned ride quality yet? Disc brakes need very stiff fork legs to transfer the braking force without getting chatter. All of the dsic braked bikes I've ever ridden are quite wooden and harsh as a result (albeit only 3).
I remember the first carbon-forked road bike I ever owned. When I lined the front hub up with the bars in my eye line, I could see it move when I went over bumps. Probably that was a bit extreme, but that little bit of compliance is present in my rim-braked bikes and they are much more enjoyable to ride as a result. They also feel more planted somehow - almost as though they are following the road rather than getting your wrists and elbows to do that part.0 -
I did say the equivalent rim braked version.ibr17xvii said:mrb123 said:One would think that if it was possible to make a disc braked bike the same weight as the equivalent rim braked one they would have managed it by now. As it stands, a kilo extra weight seems to be about standard.
They can. They are just twice the price of the equivalent rim braked version.
I have a disc brake winter bike where weight isn't a consideration. Yes there are downsides to them but there are advantages as well so all things being equal it does what I need it to do.
Do I "need" discs? No.
Would I buy another? For winter use, yes. On a best bike, no.
That said I don't agree at all with all the biggest bike brands not catering for rim brakes. Consumers should have the choice & not be made to have 1 or the other.
TBH I run discs on my winter bike, gravel bike and MTB and in some ways would like to have my summer bike running them.
When I look at the cost of a bike matching the weight of my current rim braked summer bike that is 7.6kg in XL size with pedals and mounts and cost me under 2.5k I tend to think again!1 -
it is perfectly possibly you'll never need to touch the hydraulics, but if you do, then I don't know what your LBS wait list is, but over here you are looking at weeks rather than days... hence the need for a bike I can spanner myself... summer is short, you can't fuxx it up waiting around for someone to bother fixing your bikeoxoman said:I run both and tbh I'm not fussed either way. Not touched the hydraulic brakes on my defy apart.from pad change after 3yrs. Used a lot but don't brake much. Rim braked bike is my all weather comutte and touring bike , I just ride within the limits of the bike / conditions.
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First.Aspect said:
Has anyone mentioned ride quality yet? Disc brakes need very stiff fork legs to transfer the braking force without getting chatter. All of the dsic braked bikes I've ever ridden are quite wooden and harsh as a result (albeit only 3).
I remember the first carbon-forked road bike I ever owned. When I lined the front hub up with the bars in my eye line, I could see it move when I went over bumps. Probably that was a bit extreme, but that little bit of compliance is present in my rim-braked bikes and they are much more enjoyable to ride as a result. They also feel more planted somehow - almost as though they are following the road rather than getting your wrists and elbows to do that part.
Yes the one disc braked road bike I've owned is similarly harsh at the front end. Considering it's steel I was hoping for some of the springyness of the old steel race frames I used to own but there's none of it.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
I had to buy kit and watch a lot of YouTube videos to do my Hydraulics (needed just to change handlebars). Not stupid amounts of money for the tools (maybe £50 all in), not stupidly hard to do, but it's a noticeably harder, more time consuming and a messier job than rim brakes.ugo.santalucia said:
it is perfectly possibly you'll never need to touch the hydraulics, but if you do, then I don't know what your LBS wait list is, but over here you are looking at weeks rather than days... hence the need for a bike I can spanner myself... summer is short, you can't fuxx it up waiting around for someone to bother fixing your bikeoxoman said:I run both and tbh I'm not fussed either way. Not touched the hydraulic brakes on my defy apart.from pad change after 3yrs. Used a lot but don't brake much. Rim braked bike is my all weather comutte and touring bike , I just ride within the limits of the bike / conditions.
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I've done it once on a MTB system... it's different and in the end you're never quite sure you have done it right or everything will collapse whilst going down Fleet Moss at speed. Also, I didn't need to bleed the brakes, so that is another question mark. Cables give me more confidence and they are simple.super_davo said:
I had to buy kit and watch a lot of YouTube videos to do my Hydraulics (needed just to change handlebars). Not stupid amounts of money for the tools (maybe £50 all in), not stupidly hard to do, but it's a noticeably harder, more time consuming and a messier job than rim brakes.ugo.santalucia said:
it is perfectly possibly you'll never need to touch the hydraulics, but if you do, then I don't know what your LBS wait list is, but over here you are looking at weeks rather than days... hence the need for a bike I can spanner myself... summer is short, you can't fuxx it up waiting around for someone to bother fixing your bikeoxoman said:I run both and tbh I'm not fussed either way. Not touched the hydraulic brakes on my defy apart.from pad change after 3yrs. Used a lot but don't brake much. Rim braked bike is my all weather comutte and touring bike , I just ride within the limits of the bike / conditions.
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All you need to bleed a Shimano system is flat 7 and 8mm spanners, a syringe with a hose, a small plastic bottle and the brake fluid. I purchased such a brake bleeding set 5 years ago for a couple quid and still have it in case I needed it. The system when installed correctly should be 100% air tight so there shouldn't be any need for any more work. Learning is watching a 5min. GCN video on YT. You can 100% DIY, but you do need a bike stand for it or at least something to place the frameset above the floor with the wheel set removed.ugo.santalucia said:
it is perfectly possibly you'll never need to touch the hydraulics, but if you do, then I don't know what your LBS wait list is, but over here you are looking at weeks rather than days... hence the need for a bike I can spanner myself... summer is short, you can't fuxx it up waiting around for someone to bother fixing your bikeoxoman said:I run both and tbh I'm not fussed either way. Not touched the hydraulic brakes on my defy apart.from pad change after 3yrs. Used a lot but don't brake much. Rim braked bike is my all weather comutte and touring bike , I just ride within the limits of the bike / conditions.
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ugo.santalucia said:
I've done it once on a MTB system... it's different and in the end you're never quite sure you have done it right or everything will collapse whilst going down Fleet Moss at speed. Also, I didn't need to bleed the brakes, so that is another question mark. Cables give me more confidence and they are simple.super_davo said:
I had to buy kit and watch a lot of YouTube videos to do my Hydraulics (needed just to change handlebars). Not stupid amounts of money for the tools (maybe £50 all in), not stupidly hard to do, but it's a noticeably harder, more time consuming and a messier job than rim brakes.ugo.santalucia said:
it is perfectly possibly you'll never need to touch the hydraulics, but if you do, then I don't know what your LBS wait list is, but over here you are looking at weeks rather than days... hence the need for a bike I can spanner myself... summer is short, you can't fuxx it up waiting around for someone to bother fixing your bikeoxoman said:I run both and tbh I'm not fussed either way. Not touched the hydraulic brakes on my defy apart.from pad change after 3yrs. Used a lot but don't brake much. Rim braked bike is my all weather comutte and touring bike , I just ride within the limits of the bike / conditions.
Why would cables give you more confidence?
Surely a cable is easier to fray or snap altogether than a hydraulic line is to fail?0 -
How many cables do you know to have snapped?
Personally, not hearsay..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Its like that bloke who a while ago said that you couldn't use steel bolts from the nut and bolt man for your brakes and you had to use special bicycle ones because the steel ones that hold cars and motorbikes and aeroplanes and cranes and JCBs and tractors and tanks together would snap under the massive braking pressure of a bicycle.
now he was talking bollox..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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You've obviously not used Ultegra 11 speed shiftersMattFalle said:How many cables do you know to have snapped?
Personally, not hearsay.
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Nothing is 100% air tight. They all go a bit soft eventually. And from your list you forgot to mention you'd need a few rags to wipe up the mess, about an hour of free time and a swear box.katani said:
All you need to bleed a Shimano system is flat 7 and 8mm spanners, a syringe with a hose, a small plastic bottle and the brake fluid. I purchased such a brake bleeding set 5 years ago for a couple quid and still have it in case I needed it. The system when installed correctly should be 100% air tight so there shouldn't be any need for any more work. Learning is watching a 5min. GCN video on YT. You can 100% DIY, but you do need a bike stand for it or at least something to place the frameset above the floor with the wheel set removed.ugo.santalucia said:
it is perfectly possibly you'll never need to touch the hydraulics, but if you do, then I don't know what your LBS wait list is, but over here you are looking at weeks rather than days... hence the need for a bike I can spanner myself... summer is short, you can't fuxx it up waiting around for someone to bother fixing your bikeoxoman said:I run both and tbh I'm not fussed either way. Not touched the hydraulic brakes on my defy apart.from pad change after 3yrs. Used a lot but don't brake much. Rim braked bike is my all weather comutte and touring bike , I just ride within the limits of the bike / conditions.
Oh, and your lever hoods will never go back on right.0
