Kids treated like puppies

Pross

It feels like every celebrity who has their first child ends up writing a book on how to be a parent.

rjsterry

ugo.santalucia said:

If you look at an episode of the Supernanny and then immediately after you watch an episode of the "badly behaved dogs" show... you will see that the techniques in vogue among those self certified experts are indeed very similar, proving my point

I think you are confusing a TV show with real life.

ugo.santalucia

It's funny how a thread like this gets more replies than one about cycling... says a lot about what this place has become...

elbowloh

I think this its the wrong way round, people treating dogs like they're kids, dressing them up, talking in baby voices, kissing them and attributing human characteristics to their behaviour. This is the bigger problem.

ugo.santalucia

elbowloh said:

I think this its the wrong way round, people treating dogs like they're kids, dressing them up, talking in baby voices, kissing them and attributing human characteristics to their behaviour. This is the bigger problem.

But it isn't a real problem, because it's not dogs that have to fill up roles in society and 10 years later they are cremated anyway, so who cares if people spend a fortune in grooming them.

elbowloh

So what's the problem with people keeping being concerned about people keeping their children alive and not being run over by cars? Not removing the idiots from the gene pool?

kingstongraham

Why is is more freedom loving to hold their hand?

rick_chasey

kingstongraham said:

Why is is more freedom loving to hold their hand?

I envy parents who's kids will hold their hand. Mine just won't, regardless of what i do.

Pross

ugo.santalucia said:

It's funny how a thread like this gets more replies than one about cycling... says a lot about what this place has become...

Could that be because this is the off-topic part of the site?

elbowloh

Pross said:

ugo.santalucia said:

It's funny how a thread like this gets more replies than one about cycling... says a lot about what this place has become...

Could that be because this is the off-topic part of the site?

So, I think what I'm reading here is that Ugo would prefer people not to respond to threads he's started.

Ok, message received.

ugo.santalucia

elbowloh said:

So what's the problem with people keeping being concerned about people keeping their children alive and not being run over by cars? Not removing the idiots from the gene pool?

In my opinion, the way to keep your child alive is via solid education, rather than via a lead.
Show them how to cross a road from an early age... most kids (and not only kids) seem to step onto the road BEFORE looking out for cars, rather than after... they must have learned from someone, who clearly is not fit for parenting and maybe should limit themselves to having dogs...

elbowloh

ugo.santalucia said:

elbowloh said:

So what's the problem with people keeping being concerned about people keeping their children alive and not being run over by cars? Not removing the idiots from the gene pool?

In my opinion, the way to keep your child alive is via solid education, rather than via a lead.
Show them how to cross a road from an early age... most kids (and not only kids) seem to step onto the road BEFORE looking out for cars, rather than after... they must have learned from someone, who clearly is not fit for parenting and maybe should limit themselves to having dogs...

Some kids don't listen and don't have that awareness. Particularly kids who are what, 2 years old and already running around. You're number one priority and duty is to keep the buggers alive. Kids pick up things from people who are not their parents very easily.

photonic69

I love girls in reins. Most are very well behaved indeed!

pblakeney

Not just 2 year olds.
Maybe a woman beside the TdF should have been kept on a leash.

elbowloh

pblakeney said:

Not just 2 year olds.
Maybe a woman beside the TdF should have been kept on a leash.

That's clearly a woman who was on reins as a kid, proving Ugo's point.

TheBigBean

ugo.santalucia said:

elbowloh said:

So what's the problem with people keeping being concerned about people keeping their children alive and not being run over by cars? Not removing the idiots from the gene pool?

In my opinion, the way to keep your child alive is via solid education, rather than via a lead.
Show them how to cross a road from an early age... most kids (and not only kids) seem to step onto the road BEFORE looking out for cars, rather than after... they must have learned from someone, who clearly is not fit for parenting and maybe should limit themselves to having dogs...

Let me help you out again. My niece, who could drive a car before she was 10, couldn't safely cross a road in London by the same age. The chances of a 2 year old doing either activity are somewhat smaller.

It is, of course, an example of why you need to be 17 to legally drive on roads as opposed to simply being able to reach the pedals at a push, as was the eligibility test with my niece.

ugo.santalucia

Why are you all obsessed with 2yo toddlers?

I've seen kids well older than that on the lead and with zero freedom

rick_chasey

ugo.santalucia said:

Why are you all obsessed with 2yo toddlers?

I've seen kids well older than that on the lead and with zero freedom

Because that's the age at which they're put on reins.

rjsterry

ugo.santalucia said:

elbowloh said:

So what's the problem with people keeping being concerned about people keeping their children alive and not being run over by cars? Not removing the idiots from the gene pool?

In my opinion, the way to keep your child alive is via solid education, rather than via a lead.
Show them how to cross a road from an early age... most kids (and not only kids) seem to step onto the road BEFORE looking out for cars, rather than after... they must have learned from someone, who clearly is not fit for parenting and maybe should limit themselves to having dogs...

Pretty much every parent had all these sanctimonious ideas before they had children. All those things you promise yourself you won't resort to. You'll be different. Yours will be different. It ALL goes out of the window within a few weeks of birth.

ugo.santalucia

rjsterry said:

Pretty much every parent had all these sanctimonious ideas before they had children. All those things you promise yourself you won't resort to. You'll be different. Yours will be different. It ALL goes out of the window within a few weeks of birth.

Isn't that the case that people overestimate the dangers of modern life and underestimate the commitment involved with parenting and maybe should do something else instead... like getting a puppy or a Supersix?

rjsterry

TheBigBean said:

ugo.santalucia said:

elbowloh said:

So what's the problem with people keeping being concerned about people keeping their children alive and not being run over by cars? Not removing the idiots from the gene pool?

In my opinion, the way to keep your child alive is via solid education, rather than via a lead.
Show them how to cross a road from an early age... most kids (and not only kids) seem to step onto the road BEFORE looking out for cars, rather than after... they must have learned from someone, who clearly is not fit for parenting and maybe should limit themselves to having dogs...

Let me help you out again. My niece, who could drive a car before she was 10, couldn't safely cross a road in London by the same age. The chances of a 2 year old doing either activity are somewhat smaller.

It is, of course, an example of why you need to be 17 to legally drive on roads as opposed to simply being able to reach the pedals at a push, as was the eligibility test with my niece.

I mean the average toddler is not entirely in control of their own bodily functions, let alone crossing roads.

DeVlaeminck

I never used reigns myself but as my son was a bit of a day dreamer and would wander into roads when young it made for a rather stressful walk to school when they were little. I just used the old fashioned method of hold my hand or telling him to stay on the pavement when we were next to busier roads.

We adopted a more relaxed approach to parenting - no real strict routine, meals weren't all taken at the table etc. There was a routine but it was the routine of everyday life rather than a strict timetable.

I'm not sure it makes much difference - then again I've never read a parenting book I just did what I thought was best as far as I had the time and energy and enjoyed the whole experience of having kids.

TheBigBean

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

ugo.santalucia said:

elbowloh said:

So what's the problem with people keeping being concerned about people keeping their children alive and not being run over by cars? Not removing the idiots from the gene pool?

In my opinion, the way to keep your child alive is via solid education, rather than via a lead.
Show them how to cross a road from an early age... most kids (and not only kids) seem to step onto the road BEFORE looking out for cars, rather than after... they must have learned from someone, who clearly is not fit for parenting and maybe should limit themselves to having dogs...

Let me help you out again. My niece, who could drive a car before she was 10, couldn't safely cross a road in London by the same age. The chances of a 2 year old doing either activity are somewhat smaller.

It is, of course, an example of why you need to be 17 to legally drive on roads as opposed to simply being able to reach the pedals at a push, as was the eligibility test with my niece.

I mean the average toddler is not entirely in control of their own bodily functions, let alone crossing roads.

I'm sure ugo will have some top tips on potty training as well.

ugo.santalucia

TheBigBean said:

I'm sure ugo will have some top tips on potty training as well.

Absolutely not... but of course it is true that kids stay on nappies a lot longer than we did... probably a question of convenience... nowadays people have more money than time, hence nappies can be kept for longer...

In primary school we had a kid who used to sxxt himself all the time... we were naughty and enjoyed kicking him in the bum to spread it well...

Ah those innocent happy days!!

elbowloh

ugo.santalucia said:

Why are you all obsessed with 2yo toddlers?

I've seen kids well older than that on the lead and with zero freedom

Because I have a 2 year old

elbowloh

ugo.santalucia said:

rjsterry said:

Pretty much every parent had all these sanctimonious ideas before they had children. All those things you promise yourself you won't resort to. You'll be different. Yours will be different. It ALL goes out of the window within a few weeks of birth.

Isn't that the case that people overestimate the dangers of modern life and underestimate the commitment involved with parenting and maybe should do something else instead... like getting a puppy or a Supersix?

Too many people get dogs with out thinking how it can actually be quite hard and a big restriction on their life

ugo.santalucia

elbowloh said:

ugo.santalucia said:

rjsterry said:

Pretty much every parent had all these sanctimonious ideas before they had children. All those things you promise yourself you won't resort to. You'll be different. Yours will be different. It ALL goes out of the window within a few weeks of birth.

Isn't that the case that people overestimate the dangers of modern life and underestimate the commitment involved with parenting and maybe should do something else instead... like getting a puppy or a Supersix?

Too many people get dogs with out thinking how it can actually be quite hard and a big restriction on their life

True... I keep saying the same to my wife who wants a dog

I want a Supersix

elbowloh

DeVlaeminck said:

I never used reigns myself but as my son was a bit of a day dreamer and would wander into roads when young it made for a rather stressful walk to school when they were little. I just used the old fashioned method of hold my hand or telling him to stay on the pavement when we were next to busier roads.

We adopted a more relaxed approach to parenting - no real strict routine, meals weren't all taken at the table etc. There was a routine but it was the routine of everyday life rather than a strict timetable.

I'm not sure it makes much difference - then again I've never read a parenting book I just did what I thought was best as far as I had the time and energy and enjoyed the whole experience of having kids.

We don't use reins either, we have tried it a couple of times but didn't really like them, but wouldn't judge other parents for using them.

We also have a very loose routine, but life gets in the way of having anything too strict, things change and kids change day to day!

I don't get how (or sometimes disbelieve) some parents when they describe their peferct routines and their kids perfect behaviour (especially after I speak to their partner who tell a different story).

pangolin

Ugo doesn't have any kids? This thread is making a lot more sense.

TheBigBean

Kids these days aren't beaten in the same way as they used to be either.