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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    tailwindhome said:

    @RichN95.
    You're normally all over the betting

    Odds on Cav winning a stage?


    I don't think they'll do those sort of bets until they know who's riding.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    RichN95. said:

    tailwindhome said:

    @RichN95.
    You're normally all over the betting

    Odds on Cav winning a stage?


    I don't think they'll do those sort of bets until they know who's riding.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    RichN95. said:

    mididoctors said:

    RichN95. said:

    rick_chasey said:

    OK so how do you beat Pog?

    His weakness is his team, right?


    I think there's also a slight weakness on the steeper climbs. I'm not sure there's many in this Tour though.
    High altitude climbs too
    I may be getting the two confused to be fair
    I think it may be more that he wasn't really tested over big mountains last year. Him and Roglic seem to ride in a similar way, it would have been interesting to see how he coped over big mountains against someone like Froome, Bertie or even Schleck in their prime (maybe even a completely injury free Bernal riding like he did in those early Giro mountain stages). He may well be fine but it's slightly untested so far. From memory he gained time on one climb by going fairly early but that was after he'd lost time in the crosswinds
  • neonriver
    neonriver Posts: 228
    rick_chasey said:

    He could be the first rider since Andy Schleck to win LBL and the Tour in the same year

    Didn’t Schleck win LBL the year before he won the Tour?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    neonriver said:

    rick_chasey said:

    He could be the first rider since Andy Schleck to win LBL and the Tour in the same year

    Didn’t Schleck win LBL the year before he won the Tour?
    Quite right, ignore me.
    _
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    blazing_saddles said:

    RichN95. said:

    Do you think Israel Start Up are going to ride without an Israeli? I don’t.

    And I don’t see what you are going to do with Greipel, Zabel and Hofstetter. One C list sprinter is enough top get 8th place in a sprint.

    I can see the logic in taking Ben Hermans. He would certainly be in my squad, but Goldstein?
    His only qualification to ride the Tour is the fact he's Israeli.
    It's certainly not his stage racing record. It's quite an achievement when he breaks into the top 50 of a chipper stage race.


    As predicted, ISN name Omer Goldstein in their team.

    I think they've overestimated the interest in the team by naming one rider per day. They've already named the one people were actually interested in.
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  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Get ready:

  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    Yeah.
    I posted it in the Viking's are Coming thread, earlier.

    Have ITV 4 come up with anything yet, or they still reliving those empty clay court matches, like Eurosport?
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    oooh now, there was something about it during the kickball I saw...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    edited June 2021
    Pogacar 3rd in slovenian ITT

    (pan flat, no roglic (also no RR), 50km/h ave speed)
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,620
    shirley_basso said:

    Pogacar 3rd in slovenian ITT

    (pan flat, no roglic (also no RR), 50km/h ave speed)

    Badly prep'd?
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,575
    Could have been training hard this week, with the goal of tapering from here on in. I'd not read too much into it just yet.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    According to the TV show Loki, there may be another contender. Have the UCI banned gods yet, or just long socks?


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  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    gsk82 said:

    shirley_basso said:

    Pogacar 3rd in slovenian ITT

    (pan flat, no roglic (also no RR), 50km/h ave speed)

    Badly prep'd?
    Not a flatland monster, basically, so not expected to win.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    shirley_basso said:

    gsk82 said:

    shirley_basso said:

    Pogacar 3rd in slovenian ITT

    (pan flat, no roglic (also no RR), 50km/h ave speed)

    Badly prep'd?
    Not a flatland monster, basically, so not expected to win.
    Beaten them both in short TTs this season already.
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Ah ok.

    That's what twitter's were saying and I know no better so assumed it was correct
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,620
    kingstongraham said:

    shirley_basso said:

    gsk82 said:

    shirley_basso said:

    Pogacar 3rd in slovenian ITT

    (pan flat, no roglic (also no RR), 50km/h ave speed)

    Badly prep'd?
    Not a flatland monster, basically, so not expected to win.
    Beaten them both in short TTs this season already.
    He was in the final TT of last year's tour. It's surprising to see him beaten by those 2, despite the suspicions around Bahrain.
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    The main reason for Pogacar's performance in the final TT of last year's Tour is his recovery ability and his relative lack of tiredness at the end of the final week rather than any Ganna-esque TT ability.

    I'll predict now that he will go very much better in the second TT at this year's race than the first.
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,575
    Rohan Dennis surprisingly omitted from the Ineos Tour line-up:

    Carapaz
    Castroviejio
    TGH
    Kwiatkowski
    Porte
    Rowe
    Thomas
    Van Baarle
  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,451
    Not that surprising if the rumours of him going to JV next year are true
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,489
    andyp said:

    Rohan Dennis surprisingly omitted from the Ineos Tour line-up:

    Carapaz
    Castroviejio
    TGH
    Kwiatkowski
    Porte
    Rowe
    Thomas
    Van Baarle

    Seems lightweight in terms of having power. Must be hoping for a lack of cross wind days.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • neonriver
    neonriver Posts: 228
    pblakeney said:

    andyp said:

    Rohan Dennis surprisingly omitted from the Ineos Tour line-up:

    Carapaz
    Castroviejio
    TGH
    Kwiatkowski
    Porte
    Rowe
    Thomas
    Van Baarle

    Seems lightweight in terms of having power. Must be hoping for a lack of cross wind days.
    Rowe, Van Baarle and Thomas all had good classic results and able to force things in crosswinds
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited June 2021
    neonriver said:

    pblakeney said:

    andyp said:

    Rohan Dennis surprisingly omitted from the Ineos Tour line-up:

    Carapaz
    Castroviejio
    TGH
    Kwiatkowski
    Porte
    Rowe
    Thomas
    Van Baarle

    Seems lightweight in terms of having power. Must be hoping for a lack of cross wind days.
    Rowe, Van Baarle and Thomas all had good classic results and able to force things in crosswinds
    And Kwiatkowski loves them.

    Castroviejo is a bit of a surprise having done the Giro. I thought Amador might get the nod.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,489
    neonriver said:

    pblakeney said:

    andyp said:

    Rohan Dennis surprisingly omitted from the Ineos Tour line-up:

    Carapaz
    Castroviejio
    TGH
    Kwiatkowski
    Porte
    Rowe
    Thomas
    Van Baarle

    Seems lightweight in terms of having power. Must be hoping for a lack of cross wind days.
    Rowe, Van Baarle and Thomas all had good classic results and able to force things in crosswinds
    I doubt they'd want to burn Thomas out. Kwiatowski might be a good shout, it was just an uninformed impression. 😉
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • thejimmymethod
    thejimmymethod Posts: 458
    RichN95. said:

    neonriver said:

    pblakeney said:

    andyp said:

    Rohan Dennis surprisingly omitted from the Ineos Tour line-up:

    Carapaz
    Castroviejio
    TGH
    Kwiatkowski
    Porte
    Rowe
    Thomas
    Van Baarle

    Seems lightweight in terms of having power. Must be hoping for a lack of cross wind days.
    Rowe, Van Baarle and Thomas all had good classic results and able to force things in crosswinds
    And Kwiatkowski loves them.

    Castroviejo is a bit of a surprise having done the Giro. I thought Amador might get the nod.
    Castro did ride both last year, after being a DNS on Stage 19 of the tour so does have previous I suppose.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited June 2021
    andyp said:

    Rohan Dennis surprisingly omitted from the Ineos Tour line-up:

    Carapaz
    Castroviejio
    TGH
    Kwiatkowski
    Porte
    Rowe
    Thomas
    Van Baarle

    rick_chasey said:

    blazing_saddles said:

    Pross said:

    blazing_saddles said:

    Sounds about right to me:

    CARAPAZ Richard
    CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan
    DENNIS Rohan
    GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
    KWIATKOWSKI Michal
    PORTE Richie
    ROWE Luke
    THOMAS Geraint
    Reserve.
    DE PLUS Laurens

    Thought Van Baarle would be in there. He's did a good job in 2019 and looked OK last year but lost his leader and role early.
    OK, so here's the obvious hypothetical: who would you leave out to put Van Baarle in?
    Dennis? Though I'll freely admit I've not watched the races he's supposed to have been good in.

    Broken clocks and all that.
    _
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    andyp said:

    Rohan Dennis surprisingly omitted from the Ineos Tour line-up:

    Carapaz
    Castroviejio
    TGH
    Kwiatkowski
    Porte
    Rowe
    Thomas
    Van Baarle

    Presumably his form at Tour de Suisse wasn't considered good enough (or his form there reflected a falling out with Ineos).
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    Wouldnt surprise me if he wants a crack at the Olympics...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    Meanwhile, Ineos watch aside:

    ISN.
    BOIVIN Guillaume
    FROOME Christopher
    GOLDSTEIN Omer
    GREIPEL André
    HOLLENSTEIN Reto
    MARTIN Daniel
    WOODS Michael
    ZABEL Rick

    LOTTO SOUDAL.
    DE BUYST Jasper
    DE GENDT Thomas
    EWAN Caleb
    GILBERT Philippe
    KLUGE Roger
    SWEENY Harry
    VAN DER SANDE Tosh
    VAN MOER Brent

    QHUBEKA ASSOS
    ARU Fabio
    BENNETT Sean
    CAMPENAERTS Victor
    CLARKE Simon
    DLAMINI Nicholas
    GOGL Michael
    HENAO MONTOYA Sergio
    WALSCHEID Max
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    A surprise selection by Bahrain with the omission of Padun, but good news for British fans as Fred Wright gets picked.

    Poels, Wright, Colbrelli, Haig, Haller, Mohoric, Teuns, Bilbao
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