The Pre-Tour de France thread v2.0
The Bookies odds (PaddyPower)
5/4 Pogacar
7/4 Roglic
5/1 Thomas
8/1 Carapaz
16/1 Porte
22/1 Alaphillippe (are you OK Paddy?)
25/1 Padun (seriously Paddy, do you need to talk to someone?)
33/1 Uran
40/1 G-Hart, Ant-Man Lopez
50/1 Mas, Kelderman, Landa, Dumoulin (Paddy, I'm staging an intervention)
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uran 3rd step isn't impossible"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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50/1.
Maybe a Rick intervention is required. 😉The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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Well, about as much sense as Padun being 25/1.rick_chasey said:Thanks. Makes sense.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.1 -
Sounds about right to me:
CARAPAZ Richard
CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan
DENNIS Rohan
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
KWIATKOWSKI Michal
PORTE Richie
ROWE Luke
THOMAS Geraint
Reserve.
DE PLUS Laurens"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Thought Van Baarle would be in there. He's did a good job in 2019 and looked OK last year but lost his leader and role early.blazing_saddles said:Sounds about right to me:
CARAPAZ Richard
CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan
DENNIS Rohan
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
KWIATKOWSKI Michal
PORTE Richie
ROWE Luke
THOMAS Geraint
Reserve.
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So just 3 GT winners, last year's TDF third place, a road world champ and a two time TT world champ then....blazing_saddles said:Sounds about right to me:
CARAPAZ Richard
CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan
DENNIS Rohan
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
KWIATKOWSKI Michal
PORTE Richie
ROWE Luke
THOMAS Geraint
Reserve.
DE PLUS Laurens
It's slightly crazy that they managed a half decent Giro on top of that lot.0 -
It's an insane team, but can they keep everyone happy if they all get through the first week or so without losing major time?
I'm assuming they're going for a multiple attack approach, using Geraint's TT ability to balance attacks in the mountains from Carapaz, with Tao able to do a bit of both as well, but if they need riders to sacrifice in a mountain train it could get interesting. Porte probably happiest to sacrifice his own chances (has retired from gt gc and got his Dauphiné at long last), followed by Tao (always a team player, knows he's still down the pecking order for now)
Roglic and Pogacar could have a lot to cover here, but it could also go horribly Movistar trident...Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Apart from Sagan anyone know who the green jersey contenders are likely to be.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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He who should not be named on this thread?DeVlaeminck said:Apart from Sagan anyone know who the green jersey contenders are likely to be.
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Usual suspects I'd assume. If Bennett doesn't make it, then Ewan, Demare, Van Aert, Nizzolo, Merlier etc.DeVlaeminck said:Apart from Sagan anyone know who the green jersey contenders are likely to be.
Does the points system make it possible that someone like Alaphillippe or Van der Poel gets a shot at it with this parcours? Or is it firmly geared towards the sprinters?0 -
Jesus what a line upblazing_saddles said:Sounds about right to me:
CARAPAZ Richard
CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan
DENNIS Rohan
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
KWIATKOWSKI Michal
PORTE Richie
ROWE Luke
THOMAS Geraint
Reserve.
DE PLUS Laurens"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Ewan has to be thinking it but he is going for a win in all three GTS ..so they sayDeVlaeminck said:Apart from Sagan anyone know who the green jersey contenders are likely to be.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
What are we thinking about jumbo and it's odd prep stratergy . Kuss has looked a bit under"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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mididoctors said:
What are we thinking about jumbo and it's odd prep stratergy . Kuss has looked a bit under
They're certainly not the team of last year. WVA's been ill, Dumoulin absent, Bennett average at the Giro. Only Kruijswijk seems to be OK (Roglic aside)Twitter: @RichN950 -
Dumoulin is back and looking decent, though no idea if he'll be riding the Tour, he's focused on Olympics I think. Vingegaard will be a new addition to the Tour team, he's had some injury recently, but he was superb at the Vuelta and brilliant early season. I think they'll be strong, but they may not have a real plan B or the ability to pose multiple threatsRichN95. said:mididoctors said:What are we thinking about jumbo and it's odd prep stratergy . Kuss has looked a bit under
They're certainly not the team of last year. WVA's been ill, Dumoulin absent, Bennett average at the Giro. Only Kruijswijk seems to be OK (Roglic aside)Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
OK, so here's the obvious hypothetical: who would you leave out to put Van Baarle in?Pross said:
Thought Van Baarle would be in there. He's did a good job in 2019 and looked OK last year but lost his leader and role early.blazing_saddles said:Sounds about right to me:
CARAPAZ Richard
CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan
DENNIS Rohan
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
KWIATKOWSKI Michal
PORTE Richie
ROWE Luke
THOMAS Geraint
Reserve.
DE PLUS Laurens"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Dennis? Though I'll freely admit I've not watched the races he's supposed to have been good in.blazing_saddles said:
OK, so here's the obvious hypothetical: who would you leave out to put Van Baarle in?Pross said:
Thought Van Baarle would be in there. He's did a good job in 2019 and looked OK last year but lost his leader and role early.blazing_saddles said:Sounds about right to me:
CARAPAZ Richard
CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan
DENNIS Rohan
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
KWIATKOWSKI Michal
PORTE Richie
ROWE Luke
THOMAS Geraint
Reserve.
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In case anybody what their line up is supposed to be.....RichN95. said:mididoctors said:What are we thinking about jumbo and it's odd prep stratergy . Kuss has looked a bit under
They're certainly not the team of last year. WVA's been ill, Dumoulin absent, Bennett average at the Giro. Only Kruijswijk seems to be OK (Roglic aside)
VAN AERT Wout
ROGLIČ Primož
TEUNISSEN Mike
GESINK Robert
VINGEGAARD Jonas
MARTIN Tony
KUSS Sepp
KRUIJSWIJK Steven"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
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If he get to the form he was in last year's Giro, Dennis is an obvious pick. Potential TT stage wins as well as mountain superdomestique.rick_chasey said:
Dennis? Though I'll freely admit I've not watched the races he's supposed to have been good in.blazing_saddles said:
OK, so here's the obvious hypothetical: who would you leave out to put Van Baarle in?Pross said:
Thought Van Baarle would be in there. He's did a good job in 2019 and looked OK last year but lost his leader and role early.blazing_saddles said:Sounds about right to me:
CARAPAZ Richard
CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan
DENNIS Rohan
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
KWIATKOWSKI Michal
PORTE Richie
ROWE Luke
THOMAS Geraint
Reserve.
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rick_chasey said:
Tony Martin is getting on a bit isn't he? Gesink too. Are either of them that useful nowadays?
They both still consistently put in a decent shift. But they’re not going to break other top teams.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Mm not so sure about Gesink. I am a fan but he was not super useful last Tour.RichN95. said:rick_chasey said:Tony Martin is getting on a bit isn't he? Gesink too. Are either of them that useful nowadays?
They both can still consistently put in a decent shift
Out the back either before or just metres after WvA was finished.0 -
If Wout van Aert is acting super-dom again and MVdP possibly not intending to finish the Tour it starts to become hard to see beyond another Sagan green jersey.
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Is WVA going to make the Tour? He's not raced since Amstel Gold and had, if memory serves, appendicitis.0
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Castroviejo. He did a *lot* of work at the Giro and could be very tired by the third week. Give him a decent break instead and have him form part of your core team for the Vuelta.blazing_saddles said:
OK, so here's the obvious hypothetical: who would you leave out to put Van Baarle in?Pross said:
Thought Van Baarle would be in there. He's did a good job in 2019 and looked OK last year but lost his leader and role early.blazing_saddles said:Sounds about right to me:
CARAPAZ Richard
CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan
DENNIS Rohan
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
KWIATKOWSKI Michal
PORTE Richie
ROWE Luke
THOMAS Geraint
Reserve.
DE PLUS Laurens
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True, but his ability to go further up the mountains, is probably the deciding factor.andyp said:
Castroviejo. He did a *lot* of work at the Giro and could be very tired by the third week. Give him a decent break instead and have him form part of your core team for the Vuelta.blazing_saddles said:
OK, so here's the obvious hypothetical: who would you leave out to put Van Baarle in?Pross said:
Thought Van Baarle would be in there. He's did a good job in 2019 and looked OK last year but lost his leader and role early.blazing_saddles said:Sounds about right to me:
CARAPAZ Richard
CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan
DENNIS Rohan
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
KWIATKOWSKI Michal
PORTE Richie
ROWE Luke
THOMAS Geraint
Reserve.
DE PLUS Laurens
Despite Van Baarle having a very good classics campaign, he hasn't seem to be climbing as well as he has in the past.
Maybe that's why De Plus is the spare on PCS's start list.
Nothing is yet cast in stone.
So far, Jumbo are the only team which has been confirmed"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
I would suggest that if Sagan is a contender then Van Der Poel is too. In terms of out-and-out sprinting I think he's quicker than Sagan but probably lacks a bit of Sagan's nous to be in the right position. JA may be chasing a high GC position so would be less likely to go after the intermediate points.kingstongraham said:
Usual suspects I'd assume. If Bennett doesn't make it, then Ewan, Demare, Van Aert, Nizzolo, Merlier etc.DeVlaeminck said:Apart from Sagan anyone know who the green jersey contenders are likely to be.
Does the points system make it possible that someone like Alaphillippe or Van der Poel gets a shot at it with this parcours? Or is it firmly geared towards the sprinters?0
