Euro 2020/21 (more football, sorry Brian)

womack

focuszing723 said:

womack said:

tailwindhome said:

Nice that the two European countries with the most disastrous pandemic response made the final.

Yes, have been watching the covid death league table for a few months now. Italy were a long way behind UK a couple of months back but have been gaining rapidly, now within 5-600 deaths.

Russia recently though have thrashed us both!

I kept mentioning about the crowd numbers but nobody would listen.

Judging by TV images etc all precautions seem to have gone out of the window.

briantrumpet

womack said:

focuszing723 said:

womack said:

tailwindhome said:

Nice that the two European countries with the most disastrous pandemic response made the final.

Yes, have been watching the covid death league table for a few months now. Italy were a long way behind UK a couple of months back but have been gaining rapidly, now within 5-600 deaths.

Russia recently though have thrashed us both!

I kept mentioning about the crowd numbers but nobody would listen.

Judging by TV images etc all precautions seem to have gone out of the window.

They should have installed sofas as a safety measure. I'm sure there's a sale on at DFS.

focuszing723

womack said:

focuszing723 said:

womack said:

tailwindhome said:

Nice that the two European countries with the most disastrous pandemic response made the final.

Yes, have been watching the covid death league table for a few months now. Italy were a long way behind UK a couple of months back but have been gaining rapidly, now within 5-600 deaths.

Russia recently though have thrashed us both!

I kept mentioning about the crowd numbers but nobody would listen.

Judging by TV images etc all precautions seem to have gone out of the window.

I contentiously objected by not watching, nobody else did though.

First.Aspect

briantrumpet said:

womack said:

focuszing723 said:

womack said:

tailwindhome said:

Nice that the two European countries with the most disastrous pandemic response made the final.

Yes, have been watching the covid death league table for a few months now. Italy were a long way behind UK a couple of months back but have been gaining rapidly, now within 5-600 deaths.

Russia recently though have thrashed us both!

I kept mentioning about the crowd numbers but nobody would listen.

Judging by TV images etc all precautions seem to have gone out of the window.

They should have installed sofas as a safety measure. I'm sure there's a sale on at DFS.

There is always a sale on at DFS.

womack

focuszing723 said:

womack said:

focuszing723 said:

womack said:

tailwindhome said:

Nice that the two European countries with the most disastrous pandemic response made the final.

Yes, have been watching the covid death league table for a few months now. Italy were a long way behind UK a couple of months back but have been gaining rapidly, now within 5-600 deaths.

Russia recently though have thrashed us both!

I kept mentioning about the crowd numbers but nobody would listen.

Judging by TV images etc all precautions seem to have gone out of the window.

I contentiously objected by not watching, nobody else did though.

I didn't watch it either although not for the same reason!

surrey_commuter

skyblueamateur said:

Ben6899 said:

Sterling's performance last night was as good as you'll see.

Grealish' inclusion does change the shape, but he buys sooo much time and is so clever with the ball. Fantastic substitute option to change things up.

There's no harm in having great/your best players on the bench, to come on and frighten the life out of the opposition with their ability and fresh legs. Sven, Capello, McLaren didn't realise this... man, that midfield vs Germany in 2010.

How many times did Grealish give the ball away yesterday and allow the Danes to counter? Do that against Italy and we'll punished.

Bring him on if a goal down and chasing the game but otherwise I'd take Foden ahead of him everytime. A much classier and clever player.

if we are chasing the game we will be faced with a packed defence and Foden has more experience at unpicking them.

I imagine Grealish was subbed for not following orders and will not be seen again

surrey_commuter

Ben6899 said:

skyblueamateur said:

England will beat Italy as long as Grealish doesn't get on the pitch.

Lost the ball on quite a few occasions and failed to track back allowing the Danes to counter attack. Italy will punish that.

Is too much of a luxury. Foden controls the game better.

Grealish hat-trick.

fun fact - Grealish and I have scored the same number of goals for England

seanoconn

surrey_commuter said:

skyblueamateur said:

Ben6899 said:

Sterling's performance last night was as good as you'll see.

Grealish' inclusion does change the shape, but he buys sooo much time and is so clever with the ball. Fantastic substitute option to change things up.

There's no harm in having great/your best players on the bench, to come on and frighten the life out of the opposition with their ability and fresh legs. Sven, Capello, McLaren didn't realise this... man, that midfield vs Germany in 2010.

How many times did Grealish give the ball away yesterday and allow the Danes to counter? Do that against Italy and we'll punished.

Bring him on if a goal down and chasing the game but otherwise I'd take Foden ahead of him everytime. A much classier and clever player.

if we are chasing the game we will be faced with a packed defence and Foden has more experience at unpicking them.

I imagine Grealish was subbed for not following orders and will not be seen again

Could well be. Southgate appears to be doing his best to keep Grealish happy. Looks problematic to manage unless he has star billing and not sure how likeable he is within the squad.

DeVlaeminck

seanoconn said:

surrey_commuter said:

skyblueamateur said:

Ben6899 said:

Sterling's performance last night was as good as you'll see.

Grealish' inclusion does change the shape, but he buys sooo much time and is so clever with the ball. Fantastic substitute option to change things up.

There's no harm in having great/your best players on the bench, to come on and frighten the life out of the opposition with their ability and fresh legs. Sven, Capello, McLaren didn't realise this... man, that midfield vs Germany in 2010.

How many times did Grealish give the ball away yesterday and allow the Danes to counter? Do that against Italy and we'll punished.

Bring him on if a goal down and chasing the game but otherwise I'd take Foden ahead of him everytime. A much classier and clever player.

if we are chasing the game we will be faced with a packed defence and Foden has more experience at unpicking them.

I imagine Grealish was subbed for not following orders and will not be seen again

Could well be. Southgate appears to be doing his best to keep Grealish happy. Looks problematic to manage unless he has star billing and not sure how likeable he is within the squad.

I mean it's possible but from the outside he looks to be mates with the others and he's shown no petulance on his social media - no sulking or radio silence.

seanoconn

The fans seem to like him.

elbowloh

Grealish will play some part in the final I'm sure

tailwindhome

Least you could do is play him.

surrey_commuter

tailwindhome said:

Least you could do is play him.

It was just the FA doing some sh1thousery

skyblueamateur

tailwindhome said:

Least you could do is play him.

I have mentioned the England team as the Ireland B team a few times.........

surrey_commuter

skyblueamateur said:

tailwindhome said:

Least you could do is play him.

I have mentioned the England team as the Ireland B team a few times.........

How come Rice was allowed to switch, I thought in football once you played for the senior team there was no going back

skyblueamateur

surrey_commuter said:

skyblueamateur said:

tailwindhome said:

Least you could do is play him.

I have mentioned the England team as the Ireland B team a few times.........

How come Rice was allowed to switch, I thought in football once you played for the senior team there was no going back

Has to be a competitive game I believe.

Some of his tweets didn't age well but too be fair to him he was a kid at the time.

womack

surrey_commuter said:

skyblueamateur said:

tailwindhome said:

Least you could do is play him.

I have mentioned the England team as the Ireland B team a few times.........

How come Rice was allowed to switch, I thought in football once you played for the senior team there was no going back

I think the rules have recently changed, to the best of my knowledge you can now switch even if you played three games for a country. I may be wrong on that as don't take a lot of notice nowadays.

The rule I dislike is the schooling / residency five year rule. All the big academy clubs in Spain / England etc pick up all these promising African kids at an early age and then become eligible to play for Spain / England / Italy etc thus the best talent for these developing football nations is lost to the more established footballing countries.

These countries thus don't stand much chance of breaking into the "big time" and we end up with a self perpetuing situation rather like in European Club football where the teams reaching the latter stages of competitions becomes repetitive and predictable.

surrey_commuter

womack said:

surrey_commuter said:

skyblueamateur said:

tailwindhome said:

Least you could do is play him.

I have mentioned the England team as the Ireland B team a few times.........

How come Rice was allowed to switch, I thought in football once you played for the senior team there was no going back

I think the rules have recently changed, to the best of my knowledge you can now switch even if you played three games for a country. I may be wrong on that as don't take a lot of notice nowadays.

The rule I dislike is the schooling / residency five year rule. All the big academy clubs in Spain / England etc pick up all these promising African kids at an early age and then become eligible to play for Spain / England / Italy etc thus the best talent for these developing football nations is lost to the more established footballing countries.

These countries thus don't stand much chance of breaking into the "big time" and we end up with a self perpetuing situation rather like in European Club football where the teams reaching the latter stages of competitions becomes repetitive and predictable.

Couldn’t agree more and wish England would not appoint non-English managers

Tashman

seanoconn said:

Reality hits home again. England to Scrape past the group stage and go out last 16/quarters. Who cares with that performance.

This aged well

seanoconn

Tashman said:

seanoconn said:

Reality hits home again. England to Scrape past the group stage and go out last 16/quarters. Who cares with that performance.

This aged well

Jeez what an idiot, hope he doesn’t show his face around here again 🤬

DeVlaeminck

womack said:

surrey_commuter said:

skyblueamateur said:

tailwindhome said:

Least you could do is play him.

I have mentioned the England team as the Ireland B team a few times.........

How come Rice was allowed to switch, I thought in football once you played for the senior team there was no going back

I think the rules have recently changed, to the best of my knowledge you can now switch even if you played three games for a country. I may be wrong on that as don't take a lot of notice nowadays.

The rule I dislike is the schooling / residency five year rule. All the big academy clubs in Spain / England etc pick up all these promising African kids at an early age and then become eligible to play for Spain / England / Italy etc thus the best talent for these developing football nations is lost to the more established footballing countries.

These countries thus don't stand much chance of breaking into the "big time" and we end up with a self perpetuing situation rather like in European Club football where the teams reaching the latter stages of competitions becomes repetitive and predictable.

Who have England ever got through that route ? Genuine question.

TheBigBean

There are a few players who grew up in England and chose to play for another country e.g. Iwobi. Then players Almunia said they would play for England as there was no chance of selection for Spain.

Jezyboy

There's a small part of me that thinks England should be thrown from the tournament after the laser pointer, and the identity of the scrote who shone it publicly revealed.

pblakeney

Jezyboy said:

There's a small part of me that thinks England should be thrown from the tournament after the laser pointer, and the identity of the scrote who shone it publicly revealed.

I'd be fully supportive of the second suggestion.

ballysmate

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

There's a small part of me that thinks England should be thrown from the tournament after the laser pointer, and the identity of the scrote who shone it publicly revealed.

I'd be fully supportive of the second suggestion.

Wouldn't be troubled by the first suggestion either.
16 months 'fans' have been whining about not being allowed in to football grounds and as soon as they are given the chance, they can't behave.

Jezyboy

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

There's a small part of me that thinks England should be thrown from the tournament after the laser pointer, and the identity of the scrote who shone it publicly revealed.

I'd be fully supportive of the second suggestion.

Bit toothless without the former though!

pblakeney

Jezyboy said:

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

There's a small part of me that thinks England should be thrown from the tournament after the laser pointer, and the identity of the scrote who shone it publicly revealed.

I'd be fully supportive of the second suggestion.

Bit toothless without the former though!

Be firm. Make an example.
Harsh to punish everyone else, players in particular.

womack

DeVlaeminck said:

womack said:

surrey_commuter said:

skyblueamateur said:

tailwindhome said:

Least you could do is play him.

I have mentioned the England team as the Ireland B team a few times.........

How come Rice was allowed to switch, I thought in football once you played for the senior team there was no going back

I think the rules have recently changed, to the best of my knowledge you can now switch even if you played three games for a country. I may be wrong on that as don't take a lot of notice nowadays.

The rule I dislike is the schooling / residency five year rule. All the big academy clubs in Spain / England etc pick up all these promising African kids at an early age and then become eligible to play for Spain / England / Italy etc thus the best talent for these developing football nations is lost to the more established footballing countries.

These countries thus don't stand much chance of breaking into the "big time" and we end up with a self perpetuing situation rather like in European Club football where the teams reaching the latter stages of competitions becomes repetitive and predictable.

Who have England ever got through that route ? Genuine question.

I think, not sure, there are some on the horizon that were in recent under age groups.

Remember England trying to get Adnan Januzaj down the residency route. Also they were recently in a tug of war with Germany over the boy, Musala is him name? Born in Germany to German parents but has been on the books of a club here (Chelsea?) for many years.


This is an interesting video, players who could have played for Angola, would have been a not bad team!

https://youtu.be/mlKzoabxEN8

DeVlaeminck

Musiala came here as a young lad with his family and his dad does have British citizenship so if he had chosen England I don't think it would have been unfair. I mean is it unfair Mo Farah runs for GB, Wiggins rode for GB ?

There's always been a minimum age of 16 to move here for football and it's now 18. I do agree that it's potentially a problem but don't think England have ever been guilty of/benefitted from it.

TheBigBean

DeVlaeminck said:

Musiala came here as a young lad with his family and his dad does have British citizenship so if he had chosen England I don't think it would have been unfair. I mean is it unfair Mo Farah runs for GB, Wiggins rode for GB ?

There's always been a minimum age of 16 to move here for football and it's now 18. I do agree that it's potentially a problem but don't think England have ever been guilty of/benefitted from it.

I'm not sure that is true. Almunia was eligible and he moved much later than 18.