Euro 2020/21 (more football, sorry Brian)
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Just to expand on the point and by no means do I have all, if any of the answers but you raise a good point which I have asked about before but never got an answer that really satisfies.DeVlaeminck said:Musiala came here as a young lad with his family and his dad does have British citizenship so if he had chosen England I don't think it would have been unfair.
As you say his dad has British Citizenship so why would people in this situation not be eligible for all four of the British teams?
The key phrase to me is British Citizen, not English, Welsh etc.
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Correct. I raise your Almunia a Diego Costa, or the Qatar national team.TheBigBean said:
I'm not sure that is true. Almunia was eligible and he moved much later than 18.DeVlaeminck said:Musiala came here as a young lad with his family and his dad does have British citizenship so if he had chosen England I don't think it would have been unfair. I mean is it unfair Mo Farah runs for GB, Wiggins rode for GB ?
There's always been a minimum age of 16 to move here for football and it's now 18. I do agree that it's potentially a problem but don't think England have ever been guilty of/benefitted from it.0 -
Yes it's always been possible and I'm not suggesting England have some moral high ground just that I don't think we've ever actually done it.TheBigBean said:
I'm not sure that is true. Almunia was eligible and he moved much later than 18.DeVlaeminck said:Musiala came here as a young lad with his family and his dad does have British citizenship so if he had chosen England I don't think it would have been unfair. I mean is it unfair Mo Farah runs for GB, Wiggins rode for GB ?
There's always been a minimum age of 16 to move here for football and it's now 18. I do agree that it's potentially a problem but don't think England have ever been guilty of/benefitted from it.
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"And although Schmeichel was not impaired for the spot-kick..."Jezyboy said:There's a small part of me that thinks England should be thrown from the tournament after the laser pointer, and the identity of the scrote who shone it publicly revealed.
Thankfully.
From the Independent.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Without the laser he may have dropped his cap on the ball before casually picking it up rather than his bumbling fumble of the world’s worse penalty kick.pinno said:
"And although Schmeichel was not impaired for the spot-kick..."Jezyboy said:There's a small part of me that thinks England should be thrown from the tournament after the laser pointer, and the identity of the scrote who shone it publicly revealed.
Thankfully.
From the Independent.
And if you think I am being harsh if he had kicked it harder and less central then Schmeichel would have been able to tip it around the post.0 -
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I don't think British citizenship qualifys a player to play for Englandwomack said:
Just to expand on the point and by no means do I have all, if any of the answers but you raise a good point which I have asked about before but never got an answer that really satisfies.DeVlaeminck said:Musiala came here as a young lad with his family and his dad does have British citizenship so if he had chosen England I don't think it would have been unfair.
As you say his dad has British Citizenship so why would people in this situation not be eligible for all four of the British teams?
The key phrase to me is British Citizen, not English, Welsh etc.
It would be either parents or grandparents place of birth or residency.
I'm a British citizen but wouldn't qualify to play for Scotland, Wales or England.
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And who knew Emerson was Italian before last weekend?0
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You have to have a genuine connection or something like that, in FIFA speak.tailwindhome said:
I don't think British citizenship qualifys a player to play for Englandwomack said:
Just to expand on the point and by no means do I have all, if any of the answers but you raise a good point which I have asked about before but never got an answer that really satisfies.DeVlaeminck said:Musiala came here as a young lad with his family and his dad does have British citizenship so if he had chosen England I don't think it would have been unfair.
As you say his dad has British Citizenship so why would people in this situation not be eligible for all four of the British teams?
The key phrase to me is British Citizen, not English, Welsh etc.
It would be either parents or grandparents place of birth or residency.
I'm a British citizen but wouldn't qualify to play for Scotland, Wales or England.
So 2+ years residency and a grandparent, 5+ years without. Plus a passport. According to Wikipedia.
Put in place to stop countries like Qatar having the Brazil B-team. Hasn't really worked.
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Presumably you can play for Ireland though.tailwindhome said:
I don't think British citizenship qualifys a player to play for Englandwomack said:
Just to expand on the point and by no means do I have all, if any of the answers but you raise a good point which I have asked about before but never got an answer that really satisfies.DeVlaeminck said:Musiala came here as a young lad with his family and his dad does have British citizenship so if he had chosen England I don't think it would have been unfair.
As you say his dad has British Citizenship so why would people in this situation not be eligible for all four of the British teams?
The key phrase to me is British Citizen, not English, Welsh etc.
It would be either parents or grandparents place of birth or residency.
I'm a British citizen but wouldn't qualify to play for Scotland, Wales or England.0 -
First.Aspect said:
You have to have a genuine connection or something like that, in FIFA speak.tailwindhome said:
I don't think British citizenship qualifys a player to play for Englandwomack said:
Just to expand on the point and by no means do I have all, if any of the answers but you raise a good point which I have asked about before but never got an answer that really satisfies.DeVlaeminck said:Musiala came here as a young lad with his family and his dad does have British citizenship so if he had chosen England I don't think it would have been unfair.
As you say his dad has British Citizenship so why would people in this situation not be eligible for all four of the British teams?
The key phrase to me is British Citizen, not English, Welsh etc.
It would be either parents or grandparents place of birth or residency.
I'm a British citizen but wouldn't qualify to play for Scotland, Wales or England.
So 2+ years residency and a grandparent, 5+ years without. Plus a passport. According to Wikipedia.
Put in place to stop countries like Qatar having the Brazil B-team. Hasn't really worked.
Yup. Still waiting a call up though.TheBigBean said:
Presumably you can play for Ireland though.tailwindhome said:
I don't think British citizenship qualifys a player to play for Englandwomack said:
Just to expand on the point and by no means do I have all, if any of the answers but you raise a good point which I have asked about before but never got an answer that really satisfies.DeVlaeminck said:Musiala came here as a young lad with his family and his dad does have British citizenship so if he had chosen England I don't think it would have been unfair.
As you say his dad has British Citizenship so why would people in this situation not be eligible for all four of the British teams?
The key phrase to me is British Citizen, not English, Welsh etc.
It would be either parents or grandparents place of birth or residency.
I'm a British citizen but wouldn't qualify to play for Scotland, Wales or England.
It's a controversial one. Players from NI can play for either NI or ROI.
So you have players playing youth football for NI and switching.
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bit like the england rugby team tbh.TheBigBean said:
Presumably you can play for Ireland though.tailwindhome said:
I don't think British citizenship qualifys a player to play for Englandwomack said:
Just to expand on the point and by no means do I have all, if any of the answers but you raise a good point which I have asked about before but never got an answer that really satisfies.DeVlaeminck said:Musiala came here as a young lad with his family and his dad does have British citizenship so if he had chosen England I don't think it would have been unfair.
As you say his dad has British Citizenship so why would people in this situation not be eligible for all four of the British teams?
The key phrase to me is British Citizen, not English, Welsh etc.
It would be either parents or grandparents place of birth or residency.
I'm a British citizen but wouldn't qualify to play for Scotland, Wales or England..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Most of the rugby teams to be fair.MattFalle said:
bit like the england rugby team tbh.TheBigBean said:
Presumably you can play for Ireland though.tailwindhome said:
I don't think British citizenship qualifys a player to play for Englandwomack said:
Just to expand on the point and by no means do I have all, if any of the answers but you raise a good point which I have asked about before but never got an answer that really satisfies.DeVlaeminck said:Musiala came here as a young lad with his family and his dad does have British citizenship so if he had chosen England I don't think it would have been unfair.
As you say his dad has British Citizenship so why would people in this situation not be eligible for all four of the British teams?
The key phrase to me is British Citizen, not English, Welsh etc.
It would be either parents or grandparents place of birth or residency.
I'm a British citizen but wouldn't qualify to play for Scotland, Wales or England.0 -
Do explain further MF.MattFalle said:
bit like the england rugby team tbh.TheBigBean said:
Presumably you can play for Ireland though.tailwindhome said:
I don't think British citizenship qualifys a player to play for Englandwomack said:
Just to expand on the point and by no means do I have all, if any of the answers but you raise a good point which I have asked about before but never got an answer that really satisfies.DeVlaeminck said:Musiala came here as a young lad with his family and his dad does have British citizenship so if he had chosen England I don't think it would have been unfair.
As you say his dad has British Citizenship so why would people in this situation not be eligible for all four of the British teams?
The key phrase to me is British Citizen, not English, Welsh etc.
It would be either parents or grandparents place of birth or residency.
I'm a British citizen but wouldn't qualify to play for Scotland, Wales or England.
As someone who is half Welsh and half Italian I think you need to look closer to home.0 -
Cricket seems to be the worst. "England" means anyone from the British Isles or South Africa, as far as I can tell, providing they are a bit posh.0
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I think the rule is anybody who comes from a bit that used to be part of the empire.First.Aspect said:Cricket seems to be the worst. "England" means anyone from the British Isles or South Africa, as far as I can tell, providing they are a bit posh.
I think Jofra Archer qualified because his grandmother (on his Father’s side) watched an episode of Coronation Street.0 -
or, if you happen to Fijian and play rugby, you once bought some custard.surrey_commuter said:
I think the rule is anybody who comes from a bit that used to be part of the empire.First.Aspect said:Cricket seems to be the worst. "England" means anyone from the British Isles or South Africa, as far as I can tell, providing they are a bit posh.
I think Jofra Archer qualified because his grandmother (on his Father’s side) watched an episode of Coronation Street..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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So can you only really be Welsh if you're a Jones or a Williams etc?ddraver said:Tangaki Taulupe Faletau, Josh Navidi
Such a beautiful language, Welsh...
Talupe's dad was Tongan, and moved to Wales when TF was 7, and lived there ever since.
However, Shane Howarth, numerous Kilted Kiwis, now Saffa Celts, Bundi Aki etc etc. are /were all sporting mercenaries who didn't or won't make their homes in their supposed adopted nations as soon as their sporting career ends.1 -
You're trying to rile someone welsh/Italian with flag of convenience rugby players and its the Welsh side you start with?0
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from Sicily, ya?ddraver said:Oi thought we played well for some periods and the boyz are seein' some big improvements in their game and Yeah, na, look it's always a bonza honour to play for Idaly...
its how they form their adverbs that gives it away
if you listen to Il Squalo you'll see what I mean..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Navidi is a terrible example sorry. He was born in Bridgend and has a Welsh mother (his father is Iranian).ddraver said:Tangaki Taulupe Faletau, Josh Navidi
Such a beautiful language, Welsh...
Faletau moved to Wales when he was 7 so a better example but I don't think it's unreasonable for someone who has grown up in a country to play for them.
I'd have a cutoff for residency at an age where someone could reasonably be enticed to move to a country solely to represent them at sport so probably around 14-16.0 -
Why do you exclude NZ? Their 2019 RWC squad include players born in Samoa, Tonga and Fiji.ddraver said:FWIW to be uncharacteristically serious for a sec It's been part of the professional game for 20+ years now. In rugby it happens in literally every country (save NZ, for obvious reasons).
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terrible examples have never stopped the haterz which is why sometimes you cannot condone them with an answer.Pross said:
Navidi is a terrible example sorry. He was born in Bridgend and has a Welsh mother (his father is Iranian).ddraver said:Tangaki Taulupe Faletau, Josh Navidi
Such a beautiful language, Welsh...
Faletau moved to Wales when he was 7 so a better example but I don't think it's unreasonable for someone who has grown up in a country to play for them.
I'd have a cutoff for residency at an age where someone could reasonably be enticed to move to a country solely to represent them at sport so probably around 14-16.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Some big names have played for a country they moved to as players in football - Pepe for Portugal - Costa for Spain - Tresor for France .[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
