Euro 2020/21 (more football, sorry Brian)

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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    ballysmate said:

    If we are going to get knocked out, let it be sooner rather than later, so that expectations and disappointment can be minimalised. That way the usual alcohol fuelled disorder and ensuing domestic violence may be muted.
    The somewhat indifferent public feel towards this tournament may help.

    God and I thought I was a buzzkill. What a sad post.
    I think he is Scottish a place where there is a correlation between disappointing football results and domestic violence
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    ballysmate said:

    If we are going to get knocked out, let it be sooner rather than later, so that expectations and disappointment can be minimalised. That way the usual alcohol fuelled disorder and ensuing domestic violence may be muted.
    The somewhat indifferent public feel towards this tournament may help.

    God and I thought I was a buzzkill. What a sad post.
    I think he is Scottish a place where there is a correlation between disappointing football results and domestic violence
    I’ll politely suggest that football isn’t the problem in this instance.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    DeVlaeminck said:

    So ... England. On paper man for man we should be one of the favourites.

    But when was the last England performance against a decent - say top 20 - international side where you thought that's the kind of form that could win a tournament?

    Fingers crossed something sparks - they hit on a combination that works.

    I am surprised to see that written but then I have decades of English players being over rated.

    I think we have a team of not good enough (Sterling, Pickford) and huge potential (Foden, Saka, Sancho, Bellingham)

    I see us as top 8, so quarters is acceptable outcome
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    surrey_commuter said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    So ... England. On paper man for man we should be one of the favourites.

    But when was the last England performance against a decent - say top 20 - international side where you thought that's the kind of form that could win a tournament?

    Fingers crossed something sparks - they hit on a combination that works.

    I am surprised to see that written but then I have decades of English players being over rated.

    I think we have a team of not good enough (Sterling, Pickford) and huge potential (Foden, Saka, Sancho, Bellingham)

    I see us as top 8, so quarters is acceptable outcome
    We have 3 (Mount, Chilwell, James) first choice of the Champions League winning team, we have Henderson and TAA from the previous year's winning team. Sancho is a star player in the Bundesliga. Grealish a star player in the strongest league in the world. Sterling was a starter in one of the strongest sides in world football until replaced by Foden who we also have. You can go through the squad.

    To say these players are over rated is to ignore their club form - non- English managers like Klopp, Pochettino, Mourinho, Tuchel, OGS etc have rated them very highly.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    England have never won an opening game in the Euros. Drawn 5 lost 4
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    DeVlaeminck said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    So ... England. On paper man for man we should be one of the favourites.

    But when was the last England performance against a decent - say top 20 - international side where you thought that's the kind of form that could win a tournament?

    Fingers crossed something sparks - they hit on a combination that works.

    I am surprised to see that written but then I have decades of English players being over rated.

    I think we have a team of not good enough (Sterling, Pickford) and huge potential (Foden, Saka, Sancho, Bellingham)

    I see us as top 8, so quarters is acceptable outcome
    We have 3 (Mount, Chilwell, James) first choice of the Champions League winning team, we have Henderson and TAA from the previous year's winning team. Sancho is a star player in the Bundesliga. Grealish a star player in the strongest league in the world. Sterling was a starter in one of the strongest sides in world football until replaced by Foden who we also have. You can go through the squad.

    To say these players are over rated is to ignore their club form - non- English managers like Klopp, Pochettino, Mourinho, Tuchel, OGS etc have rated them very highly.
    Tbf the players in the 00s were top class too and England still played badly.

    Having top players only gets you so far.

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660


    Not expected. I am a fan of Trippier so i’m ok.

    I rarely play a back 3 in FM so at least I understand what the plan is here
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    edited June 2021
    rick_chasey said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    So ... England. On paper man for man we should be one of the favourites.

    But when was the last England performance against a decent - say top 20 - international side where you thought that's the kind of form that could win a tournament?

    Fingers crossed something sparks - they hit on a combination that works.

    I am surprised to see that written but then I have decades of English players being over rated.

    I think we have a team of not good enough (Sterling, Pickford) and huge potential (Foden, Saka, Sancho, Bellingham)

    I see us as top 8, so quarters is acceptable outcome
    We have 3 (Mount, Chilwell, James) first choice of the Champions League winning team, we have Henderson and TAA from the previous year's winning team. Sancho is a star player in the Bundesliga. Grealish a star player in the strongest league in the world. Sterling was a starter in one of the strongest sides in world football until replaced by Foden who we also have. You can go through the squad.

    To say these players are over rated is to ignore their club form - non- English managers like Klopp, Pochettino, Mourinho, Tuchel, OGS etc have rated them very highly.
    Tbf the players in the 00s were top class too and England still played badly.

    Having top players only gets you so far.

    Agree Rick.

    Ps forgot TAA is injured.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,484
    Harry Maguire being injured is no bad thing IMO.
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  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    Croatia's match odds are insane. I know England are favourites given home advantage but the patriotic is mad.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    verylonglegs said:

    Croatia's match odds are insane. I know England are favourites given home advantage but the patriotic is mad.

    Just reflects the money going in
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  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    Patriotic betting I meant.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    3 games until Kane injured?
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    Wtf are we starting a RB on the left when we have Chillwell, who has just won the CL in the squad ?
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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154
    edited June 2021
    I Just hope Croatia don't come out on the pitch with the electricity Mate Rimac and the swag of Goran Ivanisevic.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    DeVlaeminck said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    So ... England. On paper man for man we should be one of the favourites.

    But when was the last England performance against a decent - say top 20 - international side where you thought that's the kind of form that could win a tournament?

    Fingers crossed something sparks - they hit on a combination that works.

    I am surprised to see that written but then I have decades of English players being over rated.

    I think we have a team of not good enough (Sterling, Pickford) and huge potential (Foden, Saka, Sancho, Bellingham)

    I see us as top 8, so quarters is acceptable outcome
    We have 3 (Mount, Chilwell, James) first choice of the Champions League winning team, we have Henderson and TAA from the previous year's winning team. Sancho is a star player in the Bundesliga. Grealish a star player in the strongest league in the world. Sterling was a starter in one of the strongest sides in world football until replaced by Foden who we also have. You can go through the squad.

    To say these players are over rated is to ignore their club form - non- English managers like Klopp, Pochettino, Mourinho, Tuchel, OGS etc have rated them very highly.
    I suspect I am older than you as I just get a feeling of deja vu.

    You should checkout David May’s medal collection- did that make himworld class?
  • womack
    womack Posts: 566
    To be fair UEFA have done pretty much all they can by giving home advantage to "The Big Teams" so if one of them doesn't win it they never will.

    A very unfair playing field in my book.
  • motogull
    motogull Posts: 325
    elbowloh said:

    Wtf are we starting a RB on the left when we have Chillwell, who has just won the CL in the squad ?

    Because we have a waistcoatwanker picking the team. Mings still there. FFS.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,996
    rick_chasey said:

    ballysmate said:

    If we are going to get knocked out, let it be sooner rather than later, so that expectations and disappointment can be minimalised. That way the usual alcohol fuelled disorder and ensuing domestic violence may be muted.
    The somewhat indifferent public feel towards this tournament may help.

    God and I thought I was a buzzkill. What a sad post.

    I agree that it is a sad post. The sad part being it is true.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/if-england-gets-beaten-so-will-she-the-link-between-world-cup-and-violence-explained-99769
  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    elbowloh said:

    Wtf are we starting a RB on the left when we have Chillwell, who has just won the CL in the squad ?


    Or the best overlapping fullback in the league, in Shaw.
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  • kingstongraham
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    Ben6899 said:

    elbowloh said:

    Wtf are we starting a RB on the left when we have Chillwell, who has just won the CL in the squad ?


    Or the best overlapping fullback in the league, in Shaw.
    This team doesn't look like it needs an overlapping full back. They don't exactly bomb up the wings looking for crosses.
  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    kingstongraham said:

    Ben6899 said:

    elbowloh said:

    Wtf are we starting a RB on the left when we have Chillwell, who has just won the CL in the squad ?


    Or the best overlapping fullback in the league, in Shaw.
    This team doesn't look like it needs an overlapping full back. They don't exactly bomb up the wings looking for crosses.

    They started off like that, tbf. Settled into a more controlled approach for the remainder.
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  • elbowloh
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    Actually a pretty good performance and could have scored more.

    That's our first ever opening game win in the Euros.
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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154
    Great to see a good start for England.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    surrey_commuter said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    So ... England. On paper man for man we should be one of the favourites.

    But when was the last England performance against a decent - say top 20 - international side where you thought that's the kind of form that could win a tournament?

    Fingers crossed something sparks - they hit on a combination that works.

    I am surprised to see that written but then I have decades of English players being over rated.

    I think we have a team of not good enough (Sterling, Pickford) and huge potential (Foden, Saka, Sancho, Bellingham)

    I see us as top 8, so quarters is acceptable outcome
    We have 3 (Mount, Chilwell, James) first choice of the Champions League winning team, we have Henderson and TAA from the previous year's winning team. Sancho is a star player in the Bundesliga. Grealish a star player in the strongest league in the world. Sterling was a starter in one of the strongest sides in world football until replaced by Foden who we also have. You can go through the squad.

    To say these players are over rated is to ignore their club form - non- English managers like Klopp, Pochettino, Mourinho, Tuchel, OGS etc have rated them very highly.
    I suspect I am older than you as I just get a feeling of deja vu.

    You should checkout David May’s medal collection- did that make himworld class?

    I'm 53.

    Football has changed since David May - these teams have the money and the rules allow them to buy and play the best from around the world now - you don't start regularly for Champions League finalists without being a top player.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited June 2021
    rick_chasey said:

    There was talk of him getting back into the team.

    The best player is Virgil van Dijk and he is of course injured.

    A bit like the England team there's a lot of potential with youngsters but compared to England not that many of them are doing it at the highest level.

    Ironically they don't have many wide players like they used to.

    They'll be pleased to get to the knockout and just see how they do. It's nice to be back in a tournament tbh.

    Tactically I don't know that much as they have a fairly new coach, De Boer. Dutch love getting into that sh!t and everyone wants a 3-5-2 but he's fairly old school so wouldn't be surprised for a more straightforward 4-3-3, not least with van Dijk injured.

    Memphis Depay is the "maveric"

    So they’re playing 3-5-2
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  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    Dutch game been fairly entertaining for the neutral. They seem to have found a player with worse heading skills than me however, should be 1 up.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    How many chances do you need?


    xG must be going haywire
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  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    Very open game though, Ukraine have had a couple of good chances too and maybe should have had a penalty.
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  • rick_chasey
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    elbowloh said:

    Very open game though, Ukraine have had a couple of good chances too and maybe should have had a penalty.

    I am watching the nos coverage and I am very biased in no way was it a penalty.
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