Ollie Robinson , suspended
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You’re beginning to understand the sort of challenges younger people have growing up in a world with social meedja.ballysmate said:webboo said:
But it wouldn’t if he had been convicted of a criminal offence. However in his career of choice you can be suspended for bringing the game in to disrepute or the like.ballysmate said:
No we won't because he has no convictions.pangolin said:
I guess we'll find out!ballysmate said:
Playing cricket?webboo said:
He would be barred from certain professions though.ballysmate said:Bit of an anomaly. Unless he'd gone down for 4 years any conviction he'd received 10 years ago would be spent as far as his employer is concerned.
A few stupid tweets gets him suspended though.
My point was that if he had been convicted of a criminal offence, it would all be over and done with. But a few stupid tweets...
Unless you get sent down for more than 4 years your conviction is spent after at the most, 7 years.
So to reiterate, even if 10 years ago he had committed an offence heinous enough to get 3 years in the big house, at this time he wouldn't need to disclose it to his employer.
But a few tweets made 10 years before being taken on by his present employer, the ECB, gets him a suspension.
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Well, lets hope in ten years people start to take some responsibility for their actions.blazing_saddles said:
Well, lets hope that 10 years from now, sanctimony isn't on the no-no list.focuszing723 said:
At 19 you should have the sense to know you are posting your thoughts to the World via the internet, especially on a format as twitter where it's obvious the posts aren't deleted.blazing_saddles said:focuszing723 said:What I don't get, is what the hell do people think will happen who post their lives on the internet? He was 19, but surely he realised what he was posting would be considered controversial?
I'm a bit sick of people not taking responsibility for their actions. Akin to the masses buying stuff from Amazon and China, then moaning about tax and human rights. Well guess what, you directly contributed to the situation!
You must have been born at 9 months and 35 years, if you expect teenage blokes to weigh up what they say, or think about any consequences.0 -
rick_chasey said:
You’re beginning to understand the sort of challenges younger people have growing up in a world with social meedja.ballysmate said:webboo said:
But it wouldn’t if he had been convicted of a criminal offence. However in his career of choice you can be suspended for bringing the game in to disrepute or the like.ballysmate said:
No we won't because he has no convictions.pangolin said:
I guess we'll find out!ballysmate said:
Playing cricket?webboo said:
He would be barred from certain professions though.ballysmate said:Bit of an anomaly. Unless he'd gone down for 4 years any conviction he'd received 10 years ago would be spent as far as his employer is concerned.
A few stupid tweets gets him suspended though.
My point was that if he had been convicted of a criminal offence, it would all be over and done with. But a few stupid tweets...
Unless you get sent down for more than 4 years your conviction is spent after at the most, 7 years.
So to reiterate, even if 10 years ago he had committed an offence heinous enough to get 3 years in the big house, at this time he wouldn't need to disclose it to his employer.
But a few tweets made 10 years before being taken on by his present employer, the ECB, gets him a suspension.
Most are quite responsible.
What about in 10 years time when stuff that is acceptable now is verboten?
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This is the closest I get to social meedja and I ain't in the job market so give no fucks.. But it beats me why kids share so much. And don't get me started on those that then get all arsey about invasion of privacy.1 -
I don't know as usual I can see both sides of the argument. I guess it's just another example of refining a civilised society.0
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In my case, 6 months of inactivity when asked to sort out a simple replacement part.ballysmate said:
As to your second point. Ever bought a bike part on the internet? I wonder what caused the demise of the LBS?
Bought the parts online, watched a Youtube video and found out it ain't difficult.
The end.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
This was kind of the point I was also making.ballysmate said:rick_chasey said:
You’re beginning to understand the sort of challenges younger people have growing up in a world with social meedja.ballysmate said:webboo said:
But it wouldn’t if he had been convicted of a criminal offence. However in his career of choice you can be suspended for bringing the game in to disrepute or the like.ballysmate said:
No we won't because he has no convictions.pangolin said:
I guess we'll find out!ballysmate said:
Playing cricket?webboo said:
He would be barred from certain professions though.ballysmate said:Bit of an anomaly. Unless he'd gone down for 4 years any conviction he'd received 10 years ago would be spent as far as his employer is concerned.
A few stupid tweets gets him suspended though.
My point was that if he had been convicted of a criminal offence, it would all be over and done with. But a few stupid tweets...
Unless you get sent down for more than 4 years your conviction is spent after at the most, 7 years.
So to reiterate, even if 10 years ago he had committed an offence heinous enough to get 3 years in the big house, at this time he wouldn't need to disclose it to his employer.
But a few tweets made 10 years before being taken on by his present employer, the ECB, gets him a suspension.
Most are quite responsible.
What about in 10 years time when stuff that is acceptable now is verboten?
With no "statute of limitations" on social media musings, to which revisionary social attitudes then get applied, plus hindsight, to justify whatever sanction gets meted out, nobody is safe................ever.
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Bzzzt. One should add "unless one is a philandering, corrupt, narcissistic liar who finagles his way into a position of Prime Minister."blazing_saddles said:...nobody is safe................ever.
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Second, unnamed, player now being investigated for using a racist term in a Tweet when they were 16.0
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I think you do give a f*ck which is why you think this is unacceptable.ballysmate said:rick_chasey said:
You’re beginning to understand the sort of challenges younger people have growing up in a world with social meedja.ballysmate said:webboo said:
But it wouldn’t if he had been convicted of a criminal offence. However in his career of choice you can be suspended for bringing the game in to disrepute or the like.ballysmate said:
No we won't because he has no convictions.pangolin said:
I guess we'll find out!ballysmate said:
Playing cricket?webboo said:
He would be barred from certain professions though.ballysmate said:Bit of an anomaly. Unless he'd gone down for 4 years any conviction he'd received 10 years ago would be spent as far as his employer is concerned.
A few stupid tweets gets him suspended though.
My point was that if he had been convicted of a criminal offence, it would all be over and done with. But a few stupid tweets...
Unless you get sent down for more than 4 years your conviction is spent after at the most, 7 years.
So to reiterate, even if 10 years ago he had committed an offence heinous enough to get 3 years in the big house, at this time he wouldn't need to disclose it to his employer.
But a few tweets made 10 years before being taken on by his present employer, the ECB, gets him a suspension.
Most are quite responsible.
What about in 10 years time when stuff that is acceptable now is verboten?
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This is the closest I get to social meedja and I ain't in the job market so give no fucks.. But it beats me why kids share so much. And don't get me started on those that then get all arsey about invasion of privacy.
I mean, firstly, the guy's only been suspended for a few games. Slap on the wrist, basically.
I recon 100s of people a day get slaps on the wrist for posting things they shouldn't have on social meedja by their own company.
I guess it's part of a wider feeling that I've read elsewhere that corporates (and we'll extend the cricket lot into this category for a moment) are outwardly very liberal in their ostensible politics - rainbow logos for pride month, hot on diversity etc, and a lot of people feel alienated by that.
(at this point of course i'd point to the fact that it's retired people who are more likely to find this troubling rather than the people of working age and the people working in these firms, but let's avoid the hobby horse).
I think generally one needs to moderate what you say in the public space, wouldn't you say?
You probably wouldn't be shouting holocaust jokes in the middle of a busy public square, however hilarious you think they are, and I guess you need to treat social media the same. If you did and a jew came up and gave you an earful, you would maybe curse your bad luck that they heard your joke but you'd also think "well, maybe I shouldn't say it in public".
Just because you're on the internet in your bedroom with your trousers round your ankles doesn't mean you're not doing things in public.
The internet sees where you go and what you do in the same way people in real life can see where you go and what you do.0 -
The flip side of this is that I've worked for a few huge blue chip companies and I have experienced first hand the difference between how they present themselves and how they actually work behind the door.rick_chasey said:
I guess it's part of a wider feeling that I've read elsewhere that corporates (and we'll extend the cricket lot into this category for a moment) are outwardly very liberal in their ostensible politics - rainbow logos for pride month, hot on diversity etc, and a lot of people feel alienated by that.
Image is everything.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
No disagreement there.pblakeney said:
The flip side of this is that I've worked for a few huge blue chip companies and I have experienced first hand the difference between how they present themselves and how they actually work behind the door.rick_chasey said:
I guess it's part of a wider feeling that I've read elsewhere that corporates (and we'll extend the cricket lot into this category for a moment) are outwardly very liberal in their ostensible politics - rainbow logos for pride month, hot on diversity etc, and a lot of people feel alienated by that.
Image is everything.
I squirm when my very anti-woke boss gives it all the woke pro-diversity chat in pitches.1 -
I'm trying to determine if those who thing he's done nothing wrong are the same people who are up in arms about footballers taking the knee before kick-off...Ben
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Are things improving in any meaningful way if image is more important than actions?
Bullying, racism and sexism always existed behind closed doors. All we are doing is painting the doors nice colours.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
In my case. Yes definitely.Ben6899 said:I'm trying to determine if those who thing he's done nothing wrong are the same people who are up in arms about footballers taking the knee before kick-off...
However, with regard to the abject matter. I am not talking about righ or wrong. I am talking about forgiveness.
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what are you on about?ilovegrace said:
In my case. Yes definitely.Ben6899 said:I'm trying to determine if those who thing he's done nothing wrong are the same people who are up in arms about footballers taking the knee before kick-off...
However, with regard to the abject matter. I am not talking about righ or wrong. I am talking about forgiveness.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I think he has done wrong but due to the historical nature of the transgressions it could have been dwelt with by an apology and a public reminder of his responsibilities.Ben6899 said:I'm trying to determine if those who thing he's done nothing wrong are the same people who are up in arms about footballers taking the knee before kick-off...
If footballers want to take a knee so be it but fans equally have the right to boo them.2 -
so you're anti peaceful anti racism protesting but pro racist and sexist cricketer?ilovegrace said:
In my case. Yes definitely.Ben6899 said:I'm trying to determine if those who thing he's done nothing wrong are the same people who are up in arms about footballers taking the knee before kick-off...
However, with regard to the abject matter. I am not talking about righ or wrong. I am talking about forgiveness..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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He/She is acknowledging the wrong actions but wants him to play against NZ.MattFalle said:
what are you on about?ilovegrace said:
In my case. Yes definitely.Ben6899 said:I'm trying to determine if those who thing he's done nothing wrong are the same people who are up in arms about footballers taking the knee before kick-off...
However, with regard to the abject matter. I am not talking about righ or wrong. I am talking about forgiveness.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I think a lot of people are delighting in the mecca for far-right extremists taking a symbolic stance against racism.surrey_commuter said:
I think he has done wrong but due to the historical nature of the transgressions it could have been dwelt with by an apology and a public reminder of his responsibilities.Ben6899 said:I'm trying to determine if those who thing he's done nothing wrong are the same people who are up in arms about footballers taking the knee before kick-off...
If footballers want to take a knee so be it but fans equally have the right to boo them.0 -
surrey_commuter said:
If footballers want to take a knee so be it but fans equally have the right to boo them.
As long as they don't mind looking like racist snowflakes, I agree.Ben
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Not only no statute, but no age limitations, either, which is much more of a concern, imo.Pross said:Second, unnamed, player now being investigated for using a racist term in a Tweet when they were 16.
Especially as the reform option doesn't seem to be on the table.
Lets hope all those 13 year olds are weighing up the future consequences of their tweets.
Interestingly, it's the Jason Mohammad's morning telephone debate on Radio Wales.
No surprises that the debate has become polarised around the racist tweet, with the majority sexist "jokes" pretty much ignored.
One other thing quickly became clear: few taking part had actually read the offending tweets.
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We equally have a right to question if they might be racist when they boo an anti-racism protest...surrey_commuter said:
If footballers want to take a knee so be it but fans equally have the right to boo them.
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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The irony is that without the booing, taking a knee by footballers is just a bit weird. The booing is what makes it make sense. Without the booing, it's not an act of defiance against anything.surrey_commuter said:
I think he has done wrong but due to the historical nature of the transgressions it could have been dwelt with by an apology and a public reminder of his responsibilities.Ben6899 said:I'm trying to determine if those who thing he's done nothing wrong are the same people who are up in arms about footballers taking the knee before kick-off...
If footballers want to take a knee so be it but fans equally have the right to boo them.0 -
This seems to be fairly standard in such debates "I haven't seen it / read it but here's my opinion anyway".blazing_saddles said:
Not only no statute, but no age limitations, either, which is much more of a concern, imo.Pross said:Second, unnamed, player now being investigated for using a racist term in a Tweet when they were 16.
Especially as the reform option doesn't seem to be on the table.
Lets hope all those 13 year olds are weighing up the future consequences of their tweets.
Interestingly, it's the Jason Mohammad's morning telephone debate on Radio Wales.
No surprises that the debate has become polarised around the racist tweet, with the majority sexist "jokes" pretty much ignored.
One other thing quickly became clear: few taking part had actually read the offending tweets.
I'm still very much torn on it but agree with Mark Ramprakash who said this morning that the ECB should probably do a bit more due dilligence when handing out new caps. If they (and other sport governing bodies etc.) did this it could save them the embarassment of getting ambushed and also provide the chance for them to discuss the issues in private with the person before it becomes a public matter. They could even issue a preemptive "Ollie has made us aware that he made some comments on Twitter as a teenager that he now realises were ill-advised and offensive. He apologises for this poor judgement and has confirmed he is committed to our policies in relation to equality".
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ddraver said:
We equally have a right to question if they might be racist when they boo an anti-racism protest...surrey_commuter said:
If footballers want to take a knee so be it but fans equally have the right to boo them.
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My only issue with the 'taking the knee' before all games is that it is potentially getting to the stage where it is just something that players do and that most are not even giving any thought to why they are doing it. Has it just become a pre-match ritual like the singing of the national anthems or the walking along the line shaking hands with each other?0
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he/she just wants to ignore the racism and sexism because he/she thinks that as an Engerlan cricketer his racism and sexism is fine.pblakeney said:
He/She is acknowledging the wrong actions but wants him to play against NZ.MattFalle said:
what are you on about?ilovegrace said:
In my case. Yes definitely.Ben6899 said:I'm trying to determine if those who thing he's done nothing wrong are the same people who are up in arms about footballers taking the knee before kick-off...
However, with regard to the abject matter. I am not talking about righ or wrong. I am talking about forgiveness..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Not just corporates Rick. I rode through Westminster yesterday, down Whitehall and along Victoria Street. Many government departments were also flying the rainbow flag.rick_chasey said:.
I guess it's part of a wider feeling that I've read elsewhere that corporates (and we'll extend the cricket lot into this category for a moment) are outwardly very liberal in their ostensible politics - rainbow logos for pride month, hot on diversity etc, and a lot of people feel alienated by that.
Also, its been in the news about departments either pulling out of or considering pulling out of the Stonewall diversity programme, which of course means they have to be in the programme now!
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now this bloke is, as theysay in the trade, a total balloon head.ddraver said:
We equally have a right to question if they might be racist when they boo an anti-racism protest...surrey_commuter said:
If footballers want to take a knee so be it but fans equally have the right to boo them..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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