Giro 2021:- Stage 14: Cittadella – Monte Zoncolan 204 km **Spoilers**

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Stage 14: Cittadella – Monte Zoncolan 204 km

Saturday, May 22nd, 11.30 CEST

From the town of Cittadella the peloton will head north-east towards the Friuli region and it's date with the infamous Monte Zoncolan. Cittadella lies approximately 50 kilometres northwest of Venezia.



The stage design is pretty standard, with a long flat opening before the climbing begins in earnest, after two thirds of the route has been covered.



Technical Info:
This mountain stage is divided into two parts: it starts flat and continues on a slight incline for 130 km, all the way to Monte Rest. The route then weaves through a brace of hairpins, on narrowed roadway, both on the way up and on the way down. After going back on broader roads in Priuso, the route passes Tolmezzo and Arta Terme, reaching the foot of the closing climb. Monte Zoncolan (GPM1, 14.1 km at 8.5%) from the Sutrio side has only been climbed once, in 2003. It was in fact the first time the Zoncolan had been raced and is memorable for Marco Pantani's last notable performance on a bike.



The climbs:

Castello di Caneva: GPM4, 3.4 km at 3.8%



Forcella di Monte Rest (GPM2, 10.5 km at 5.9%)



Monte Zoncolan: GPM1, 14.1 km at 8.5%

The first 11 km ascend in hairpins, on wide roads, with gradients around 7-8%, whereas the last 3 km are very demanding.



Final Kilometres
The last 3 km rise sharply on narrow road with only a few bends, and gradients often exceeding 20% (averaging 13%). The pitch over the final kilometre largely hovers around the 18% mark, with gradients exceeding 25% and topping out at 27% both along the hairpins and in the final stretch. The last 50 metres are on tarmac road and on a slight incline.



What to expect:
A triumph at Monte Zoncolan is of added value on any palmares, so we should expect the GC riders to go for it. Of course there is always the possibility that the teams with pink on their minds don’t want to control the race to begin with. In that case, the best breakaway climber will take the spoils.

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*** Simon Yates, Egan Bernal, Aleksandr Vlasov
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Cittadella
Cittadella is a splendid medieval walled town. It was founded in 1220 when Padua decided to build a fortified castle “ex novo” in the central Venetian plains in order to protect its country borders. Cittadella is the only walled city in all of Europe to have a medieval, elliptical, fully walkable parapet.



In Cittadella and the surrounding area, there is great respect for ancient culinary traditions. Polenta in all its possible forms plays the leading role: yellow, white and even sweet cake “La polenta di Cittadella” a typical dessert with origins dating back to the 1850’s.



A typical aperitif that can only be enjoyed in Cittadella is the “Mezoevo”: made up of Strega liqueur, “Mezzo e Mezzo” Nardini, soda water and fresh mint leaves, it is dedicated to the writer Hemingway who came to Cittadella to drink Strega liqueur during his service in the First World War.



Monte Zoncolan
Sutrio is located in Valle del Bût, one of the Carnian valleys, described in Carducci’s poetry, only few kilometers from the Austrian border.
Sutrio constitutes one of the best-equipped ski areas in Friuli Venezia Giulia thanks to Mount Zoncolan. The village presents itself as a traditional alpine suburb, made of cobbled streets and ancient houses characterized by wooden and stone-built open galleries and balconies.




















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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,147
    I think there should be a GT climbers Triple Crown of stage wins on Zoncolan, Ventoux and Angliru. I know two haven't been on the schedule for long, but it'll be a modern thing.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 21,811
    edited May 2021
    Simoni has won on the Angliru and both sides of the Zoncolan.
    A Macron free triple crown
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,705
    RichN95. said:

    I think there should be a GT climbers Triple Crown of stage wins on Zoncolan, Ventoux and Angliru. I know two haven't been on the schedule for long, but it'll be a modern thing.

    Not quite the same thing and I was simply trying finish, not race, but having done virtual climbs of the suggested three I'd say the Pico de Veleta trumps them all.
    If you are forming a triple crown then the Angliru isn't the hardest in Spain imo.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 13,279
    RichN95. said:

    I think there should be a GT climbers Triple Crown of stage wins on Zoncolan, Ventoux and Angliru. I know two haven't been on the schedule for long, but it'll be a modern thing.

    Run them as hill climb TTs. I'd watch.
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 16,776
    edited May 2021

    Simoni has won on the Angliru and both sides of the Zoncolan.
    A Macron free triple crown

    That's quite the achievement. Garzeli casagrande and simioni look so fat in that photo compared to the current crop
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  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,334
    RichN95. said:

    I think there should be a GT climbers Triple Crown of stage wins on Zoncolan, Ventoux and Angliru. I know two haven't been on the schedule for long, but it'll be a modern thing.

    Shouldn't the Mortirolo be in that as well or is the Zoncolan so much harder?

    Picked Yates to finally show something tomorrow, but since it's probably raining, he is probably going to go and cry in a corner again. 😉🙄
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,147
    m.r.m. said:

    RichN95. said:

    I think there should be a GT climbers Triple Crown of stage wins on Zoncolan, Ventoux and Angliru. I know two haven't been on the schedule for long, but it'll be a modern thing.

    Shouldn't the Mortirolo be in that as well or is the Zoncolan so much harder?


    No idea. Although Climbbybike rates it as harder (from the harder side). Tomorrow is the 'softer' side. Zoncolan seems more famous to me. The Stelvio is more famous than both but, like the Galibier, is rarely the finish.
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 8,728
    Ventoux seems the odd one out there - not sure what he French equivalent of would be though.
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  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,334
    edited May 2021
    Alpe d'Huez then surely?!

    But I think Ventoux is more iconic.
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,095
    pblakeney said:

    RichN95. said:

    I think there should be a GT climbers Triple Crown of stage wins on Zoncolan, Ventoux and Angliru. I know two haven't been on the schedule for long, but it'll be a modern thing.

    Not quite the same thing and I was simply trying finish, not race, but having done virtual climbs of the suggested three I'd say the Pico de Veleta trumps them all.
    If you are forming a triple crown then the Angliru isn't the hardest in Spain imo.
    You can't compare climbs based on riding them on a virtual platform with the actual real thing. There are so many factors that go into making a climb hard aside from the gradient, like road surface, altitude, wind, etc.

    Racing up them is also very, very different from just riding up them too.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,435

    Ventoux seems the odd one out there - not sure what he French equivalent of would be though.

    I was thinking the same, struggling to think of a French equivalent that has the combination of length and gradient.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,705
    andyp said:

    pblakeney said:

    RichN95. said:

    I think there should be a GT climbers Triple Crown of stage wins on Zoncolan, Ventoux and Angliru. I know two haven't been on the schedule for long, but it'll be a modern thing.

    Not quite the same thing and I was simply trying finish, not race, but having done virtual climbs of the suggested three I'd say the Pico de Veleta trumps them all.
    If you are forming a triple crown then the Angliru isn't the hardest in Spain imo.
    You can't compare climbs based on riding them on a virtual platform with the actual real thing. There are so many factors that go into making a climb hard aside from the gradient, like road surface, altitude, wind, etc.

    Racing up them is also very, very different from just riding up them too.
    "Not quite the same thing and I was simply trying finish, not race..."

    Thanks for repeating what I said.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,705
    m.r.m. said:

    RichN95. said:

    I think there should be a GT climbers Triple Crown of stage wins on Zoncolan, Ventoux and Angliru. I know two haven't been on the schedule for long, but it'll be a modern thing.

    Shouldn't the Mortirolo be in that as well or is the Zoncolan so much harder?
    IIRC the Mortirolo is shorter and the steep bits less steep than the Zoncolan.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,705
    edited May 2021

    Ventoux seems the odd one out there - not sure what he French equivalent of would be though.


    Most French climbs are long and comparatively less steep, Galibier etc.
    Alpe d' Huez is the perfect length to race up but the Ventoux is harder.
    Tourmalet? Just imo obviously. Nice subject to debate.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,517

    Simoni has won on the Angliru and both sides of the Zoncolan.
    A Macron free triple crown

    That's quite the achievement. Garzeli casagrande and simioni look so fat in that photo compared to the current crop
    Look how baggy Simoni’s jersey is
  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,905

    Simoni has won on the Angliru and both sides of the Zoncolan.
    A Macron free triple crown

    Didn't Simoni win the Peyresourde stage in 2003?
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 21,811
    pblakeney said:

    RichN95. said:

    I think there should be a GT climbers Triple Crown of stage wins on Zoncolan, Ventoux and Angliru. I know two haven't been on the schedule for long, but it'll be a modern thing.

    Not quite the same thing and I was simply trying finish, not race, but having done virtual climbs of the suggested three I'd say the Pico de Veleta trumps them all.
    If you are forming a triple crown then the Angliru isn't the hardest in Spain imo.
    If you are going to go there, then neither is the Zoncolan the hardest climb in Italy. That title goes to the Scanuppia.

    https://pjammcycling.com/climb/2.Scanuppia

    As for Alpe d'Huez, here's 100 climbs better in Europe. (although it depends how you define better)

    https://www.cycling-challenge.com/100-cycling-climbs-better-than-alpe-dhuez/
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  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,905
    pblakeney said:

    RichN95. said:

    I think there should be a GT climbers Triple Crown of stage wins on Zoncolan, Ventoux and Angliru. I know two haven't been on the schedule for long, but it'll be a modern thing.

    Not quite the same thing and I was simply trying finish, not race, but having done virtual climbs of the suggested three I'd say the Pico de Veleta trumps them all.
    If you are forming a triple crown then the Angliru isn't the hardest in Spain imo.
    If they rode Pico Veleta all the way to the top then yes, but the road to the barrier is not that hard, just long. The gradient picks up after the barrier, but obviously the road surface gets progressively worse. Maybe if they ran the race up there it might encourage the region to actually make it ridable for the last few km.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,705

    pblakeney said:

    RichN95. said:

    I think there should be a GT climbers Triple Crown of stage wins on Zoncolan, Ventoux and Angliru. I know two haven't been on the schedule for long, but it'll be a modern thing.

    Not quite the same thing and I was simply trying finish, not race, but having done virtual climbs of the suggested three I'd say the Pico de Veleta trumps them all.
    If you are forming a triple crown then the Angliru isn't the hardest in Spain imo.
    If you are going to go there, then neither is the Zoncolan the hardest climb in Italy. That title goes to the Scanuppia.

    https://pjammcycling.com/climb/2.Scanuppia

    As for Alpe d'Huez, here's 100 climbs better in Europe. (although it depends how you define better)

    https://www.cycling-challenge.com/100-cycling-climbs-better-than-alpe-dhuez/
    Good point, well made.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,705
    phreak said:

    pblakeney said:

    RichN95. said:

    I think there should be a GT climbers Triple Crown of stage wins on Zoncolan, Ventoux and Angliru. I know two haven't been on the schedule for long, but it'll be a modern thing.

    Not quite the same thing and I was simply trying finish, not race, but having done virtual climbs of the suggested three I'd say the Pico de Veleta trumps them all.
    If you are forming a triple crown then the Angliru isn't the hardest in Spain imo.
    If they rode Pico Veleta all the way to the top then yes, but the road to the barrier is not that hard, just long. The gradient picks up after the barrier, but obviously the road surface gets progressively worse. Maybe if they ran the race up there it might encourage the region to actually make it ridable for the last few km.

    That's one of the benefits/downsides of virtual riding, the surface doesn't matter.
    I'm sure they could pave it if they had the right incentive.

    Great topic!
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 13,279

    pblakeney said:

    RichN95. said:

    I think there should be a GT climbers Triple Crown of stage wins on Zoncolan, Ventoux and Angliru. I know two haven't been on the schedule for long, but it'll be a modern thing.

    Not quite the same thing and I was simply trying finish, not race, but having done virtual climbs of the suggested three I'd say the Pico de Veleta trumps them all.
    If you are forming a triple crown then the Angliru isn't the hardest in Spain imo.
    If you are going to go there, then neither is the Zoncolan the hardest climb in Italy. That title goes to the Scanuppia.

    https://pjammcycling.com/climb/2.Scanuppia

    As for Alpe d'Huez, here's 100 climbs better in Europe. (although it depends how you define better)

    https://www.cycling-challenge.com/100-cycling-climbs-better-than-alpe-dhuez/
    I don't think the triple crown idea requires the climbs to be the hardest, more that they're iconic.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 26,201
    Only just realised this is over 200km. That's a tough day.

    Fwiw, Angliru and Zoncolan are clearly the two famous "impossible" climbs, and France just doesn't have one similar. I guess they tried with that airport one.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 13,279
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 6,915
    Col de la Loze above Meribel has to be one of the toughest in the French alps - plenty of double digit pitches at over 2,000 m.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,147
    edited May 2021
    pblakeney said:



    Most French climbs are long and comparatively less steep, Galibier etc.
    Alpe d' Huez is the perfect length to race up but the Ventoux is harder.
    Tourmalet? Just imo obviously. Nice subject to debate.


    I just think that Ventoux with it's unique look and it's history (Simpson etc) give it a certain aura. Alpe d'Huez may be more famous but I don't think anyone would say it was especially hard. And I personally dislike it.
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 6,915

    pblakeney said:

    RichN95. said:

    I think there should be a GT climbers Triple Crown of stage wins on Zoncolan, Ventoux and Angliru. I know two haven't been on the schedule for long, but it'll be a modern thing.

    Not quite the same thing and I was simply trying finish, not race, but having done virtual climbs of the suggested three I'd say the Pico de Veleta trumps them all.
    If you are forming a triple crown then the Angliru isn't the hardest in Spain imo.
    If you are going to go there, then neither is the Zoncolan the hardest climb in Italy. That title goes to the Scanuppia.

    https://pjammcycling.com/climb/2.Scanuppia

    As for Alpe d'Huez, here's 100 climbs better in Europe. (although it depends how you define better)

    https://www.cycling-challenge.com/100-cycling-climbs-better-than-alpe-dhuez/
    The Cycling Challenge is a great link!

  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 21,811
    Yes, and on that subject, I suppose it could be worse......


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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,517
    edited May 2021

    Only just realised this is over 200km. That's a tough day.

    This would be normal even 10 years ago.

    Standards are slipping
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 8,728
    Re the climbs I'd guess there are some super steep ones in the French Alps or French Pyrenees but the Tour doesn't use them.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 26,201

    Only just realised this is over 200km. That's a tough day.

    This would be normal even 10 years ago.

    Standards are slipping
    Zoncolan has never been at the end of a longer stage than today.