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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 63,318 Lives Here
    RichN95. said:



    RichN95: "Rainbows is basically another monument though."

    No, because you only get one shot per year, and the parcours varies, so there will be at least a few editions during your career that don't suit you at all. If you haven't got a GT win then you need a fair few monuments to qualify if you've never won the World's.

    But those who win the World's generally also win a monument. It's not like it's different discipline. I'd say that if you've not won the Tour or the Worlds you're out of contention.

    Besides, greatness doesn't require versatility. This doesn't happen in other sports. No-one cares about Tom Brady's defence, Viv Richards's bowling, Lionel Messi's defensive work or Rafa Nadal's doubles record.
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  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 26,375



    Cycling ain't a ball game.


    OK. No-one mentions Usian Bolt's long jump, Adam Peatty's butterfly or Lewis Hamilton's LeMans 24
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  • m.r.m.m.r.m. Posts: 2,776
    WVA is amazing, but MvdP is better. Not at each individual thing, but in total. Their record against each other clearly displays this.
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  • andypandyp Posts: 9,066
    Why do we have to compare and contrast all the time? It's a terrible affliction that seems to affect cycling fans more than most.

    We're experiencing a golden age, enjoy it for what it is.
  • andypandyp Posts: 9,066
    I think WVA is incredible and, as Rick rightly says, there is no better rider suited to any terrain right now. MVDP is incredible too, but for slightly different reasons and the same can be said for Pogacar and might be said about Evenepoel and Pidcock in a season or two.
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 17,084
    edited April 2021
    andyp said:

    Why do we have to compare and contrast all the time? It's a terrible affliction that seems to affect cycling fans more than most.

    We're experiencing a golden age, enjoy it for what it is.

    Because some people tend to make over the top statements such as that WvA is best rider this century.

    I remember Boycott's annoyance when asked if Ponting was the best batsman of all time. He said that such a question meant he had to say something negative because Ponting wasn't as good as Bradman or Richards. Instead he wanted to talk about how he was a great batsmen playing his best cricket and that it was amazing to watch.
  • jam1ejam1e Posts: 1,065
    He's a half decent rider but chronically overhyped to the point that I'm now in the "anyone but WvA" camp.

    I know the media need to generate clicks but the constant "WvA V MvDP" bullshit is getting really tedious.
  • andyracandyrac Posts: 869
    RichN95. said:



    Cycling ain't a ball game.


    OK. No-one mentions Usian Bolt's long jump, Adam Peatty's butterfly or Lewis Hamilton's Le Mans 24
    Lewis Hamilton is an F1 driver pure and simple; he's the best F1 driver, but doesn't mean he's the best driver in motorsport.
    Similarly, WvA maybe the best 'all round' road cyclist currently - but he's not the best all round cyclist.

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  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 12,908


    This includes winning Strade Bianche,

    That was the other van this year.
    I was going to.say MvdP may have a word
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  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 17,760
    Alaphilippe's 2019 > WVA's 2020

    2019
    1st Milan–San Remo
    1st Strade Bianche
    1st La Flèche Wallonne

    Critérium du Dauphiné
    Mountains classification
    1st Stage 6

    1st Stage 2 Tour of the Basque Country

    2nd Overall Vuelta a San Juan
    1st Stages 2 & 3 (ITT)

    2nd Brabantse Pijl

    4th Amstel Gold Race

    5th Overall Tour de France
    1st Stages 3 & 13 (ITT)
    Yellow after Stages 3–5 & 8–18
    Red Overall

    6th Overall Tirreno–Adriatico
    1st Stages 2 & 6
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  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 12,908
    WvA may have had his best year . Let's wait a couple of years
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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 24,775
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  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 20,290
    edited July 2021

    I think it's time we broke out a FF style appreciation thread, because, as far as I am concerned, Wout van Aert is the best cyclist we've ever seen this century, and his (albeit, a weird truncated) 2020 is one of the most outstanding seasons I can remember seeing.

    Well, half a season on and this hasn't aged well.

    Having missed his main goal for this race, missing the podum and also being beaten by his team's tour reserve of last September, he has now started to contest sprints.
    If 8th place counts as contesting.

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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 63,318 Lives Here
    edited July 2021
    Haha. His classic season was immaculate and the lad had appendicitis. I had that and it took me out for about a month.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 63,318 Lives Here
    Ok not immaculate but pretty good.

  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 26,375
    He should swallow his pride and retire.
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  • ProssPross Posts: 33,451
    RichN95. said:

    He should swallow his pride and retire.

    Too right, he's becoming a sad joke
  • ocdupalaisocdupalais Posts: 4,080
    Poor Wout would swallow, but Van Der Poel would reach his stomach first.
  • takethehighroadtakethehighroad Posts: 6,188
    Wasn't there a stat that from the start of the season until the end of the Spring Classics, he'd finished top 10 in every race an stage apart from one?
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 21,410

    Wasn't there a stat that from the start of the season until the end of the Spring Classics, he'd finished top 10 in every race an stage apart from one?

    Lowest place before the tdf was 13th, on the stage in tirreno when the breakaway made it unexpectedly and he didn't really sprint. 11th at e3 was the other one outside the top 10.

    Also top 10 in the last 6 races of last year - gent wevelgem, rvv, World champs Road and tt plus the tt and Paris in last years tour.

    His enforced break seems to have had an impact.
  • bm5bm5 Posts: 463
    I’m sure I heard Sean Kelly call him/them Wout van Poel yesterday. Good shorthand I thought
  • phreakphreak Posts: 2,676
    bm5 said:

    I’m sure I heard Sean Kelly call him/them Wout van Poel yesterday. Good shorthand I thought

    That's as likely to be Kelly getting into a muddle as any cute wordplay tbh.
  • ProssPross Posts: 33,451

    Wasn't there a stat that from the start of the season until the end of the Spring Classics, he'd finished top 10 in every race an stage apart from one?

    Lowest place before the tdf was 13th, on the stage in tirreno when the breakaway made it unexpectedly and he didn't really sprint. 11th at e3 was the other one outside the top 10.

    Also top 10 in the last 6 races of last year - gent wevelgem, rvv, World champs Road and tt plus the tt and Paris in last years tour.

    His enforced break seems to have had an impact.
    So what you're saying is he's finished?
  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 12,908
    I want him and MvdP to attack today .
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 21,410
    edited July 2021
    Wrong thread.

    He's still a good rider.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 63,318 Lives Here
    What a win. Double Ventoux stage.

    Woof.
  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 20,290

    What a win. Double Ventoux stage.

    Woof.

    Yup.
    Almost as good as O'Connor's breakaway win in the Alps.
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  • No_Ta_DoctorNo_Ta_Doctor Posts: 11,917
    Sorry, I'm only talking about Vingegaard today. :wink:
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  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 21,410

    Sorry, I'm only talking about Vingegaard today. :wink:

    Get yourself a new thread if you want to revel in the zero seconds he took on GC today.
  • ProssPross Posts: 33,451

    What a win. Double Ventoux stage.

    Woof.

    Wasn't a patch on Eros Poli.
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