Football stuff

MattFalle

kingstonian said:

To be fair to RR, he has kinda steadied the ship as yesterday was I believe their first loss in the league since he took over. But no one is going to come into the Utd dressing room and turn it into a super strong side - there’s too many headstrong individuals there that just won’t listen. As others have said, they need a clear out.

played 6, won 3, drawn 2, lost 1.

not exactly great. some will describe it aspiss poor.

MattFalle

pblakeney said:

But, but, but, Rangnick is only there as an interim manager.
He doesn't have the time to build anything. His job is purely to steady the ship.

i.e. blundering from pillar to post.

interim with a long term behind the scenes director of football role akin to other clubs so still a strategic role.

none of the players will care about him as he has 5 months left, he doesn't care as he has a 3 year D of F contract signed up and the owners only care about shirt sales.

so, essentially, its a winner for everyone who doesn't care about manure the scum.

#ABU

MattFalle

He's also getting a basic of, post tax, £8 million a year that will rise when he takes up new position.

Zero cares andfucks given by him we think.

Ben6899

United supporter here. It's difficult to watch, at the moment.

I think it's a combination of all the things mentioned above, but "lesser" teams are very willing to get at them and not allow them time on the ball. In a manner that teams weren't previously willing to do. The same "lesser" teams didn't used to press in that manner, against the old United sides, and certainly don't press like that against the current Chelsea, City, Liverpool sides.

Because they wouldn't/won't get near the ball, and then the old United sides / current Chelsea, City, Liverpool sides would exploit the space that's left behind. Or that was/is the fear.

United don't hold the fear factor at the moment. They really should though - your head needs a wobble, if you think it's not a decent squad.

surrey_commuter

Ben6899 said:

United supporter here. It's difficult to watch, at the moment.

I think it's a combination of all the things mentioned above, but "lesser" teams are very willing to get at them and not allow them time on the ball. In a manner that teams weren't previously willing to do. The same "lesser" teams didn't used to press in that manner, against the old United sides, and certainly don't press like that against the current Chelsea, City, Liverpool sides.

Because they wouldn't/won't get near the ball, and then the old United sides / current Chelsea, City, Liverpool sides would exploit the space that's left behind. Or that was/is the fear.

United don't hold the fear factor at the moment. They really should though - your head needs a wobble, if you think it's not a decent squad.

I think the fear factor is massively under valued in football. The lesser teams will play City/Liverpool/Chelsea and try and keep the score down but that is not the case with the next 6 down

Ben6899

surrey_commuter said:

I think the fear factor is massively under valued in football. The lesser teams will play City/Liverpool/Chelsea and try and keep the score down but that is not the case with the next 6 down

It's the reason Leeds - never truly any good outside of the 70s, 1991 and 2001 - always gave United a game and sometimes turned them over. As shiit as they were for the intervening time periods, the rivalry overcame any fear and they really went at it.

See also Liverpool/Everton and Arsenal/Spurs. Less so with Spurs because... well because Spurs, a true enigma of modern era football.

rick_chasey

Is that not just a development of PL tactics?

Ben6899

I don't think it is. Watch how Villa - for example - set up against City. They were all over United pressing relentlessly, in the FA Cup and PL matches (and power to them, btw) but they won't do that vs City.

rick_chasey

Ben6899 said:

I don't think it is. Watch how Villa - for example - set up against City. They were all over United pressing relentlessly, in the FA Cup and PL matches (and power to them, btw) but they won't do that vs City.

Fair enough.

I did catch the FA cup game and I was really surprised by the lack of commitment. Rashford in particular just looked like he didn't want to be on the pitch. TBH the only players I thought were really up for it were Luke Shaw and De Gea. McTominay was fine in the first half but by the second he'd run out of steam.

Quite surprising. I get the feeling it's a man management issue at MUFC at the moment rather than tactical.

Ben6899

Shaw has been excellent and consistent for a couple of seasons now. A class act.

I worry about Marcus Rashford, for whatever reason his head simply isn't on it. And, if that's the case, man management - as you say - is key.

seanoconn

Ben6899 said:

Shaw has been excellent and consistent for a couple of seasons now. A class act.

I worry about Marcus Rashford, for whatever reason his head simply isn't on it. And, if that's the case, man management - as you say - is key.

Shaw’s been playing well and also little fortunate not to pick up a few more bookings lately.

The great Dion Dublin was right about Rashford against Villa, he does look unhappy. You can’t play well in you’re not enjoying it. Shame, seems a decent guy.

verylonglegs

As a neutral football watcher to me the problem seems to be no-one seems to know what Man Utd are about, least of all the players, They are still searching for an identity post-Ferguson. It's possible to watch Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea and easily work out their style of play, what they are trying to achieve with how they are set up and why. Not so with Man Utd I find. I know their fans won't like the comparison but it looks like Liverpool in the mid-nineties albeit with a much better squad.

focuszing723

Sh1tter limbed sport.

rick_chasey

focuszing723 said:

Sh1tter limbed sport.

Die hard handball fan?

Pross

West Jam!

Dorset_Boy

Could have been three huge upsets, instead just the Manure one.

Ben6899

Dorset_Boy said:

Could have been three huge upsets, instead just the Manure one.

You do realise "Manure" is a Munich reference? It's up to you, if you carry on using it now I've told you.

DeVlaeminck

Ben6899 said:

Dorset_Boy said:

Could have been three huge upsets, instead just the Manure one.

You do realise "Manure" is a Munich reference? It's up to you, if you carry on using it now I've told you.

Is it?

Ben6899

https://www.empireofthekop.com/2009/08/23/question-how-did-the-term-manure-start/

From a L****pool fanzine, no less (and now my cookies are effed up).

DeVlaeminck

Sounds like an urban myth stoked up by people who spend too much time on the internet.

Man Utd and Man U were used before Munich and Manure is just an obvious extension of ManU. It may have been used in derogatory chants but I doubt it's the origin and even if it was it's not used that way now.

Ben6899

Alright mate.

skyblueamateur

I find grown adults to be using terms like Manure pretty excruciating anyway. Similar to adults who wear replica tops to games and likely have 'I 8 Villa' and other such nonsense on the back.

skyblueamateur

It's all a bit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvjk47UORFs

Ben6899

Arsenal fans are absolute cringe as well.

Dorset_Boy

Seriously, what is wrong with wearing a replica top to show your support? It's not like they're turning up in team shorts and socks too. How do you suggest they show their support?
After all Dutchies get issued with an orange shirt at birth and Kiwis a black one!

And Ben, strange how the expression has been used many times by people in this thread yet only now have you picked up on it. Have you only just discovered the origin too?

Ben6899

Dorset_Boy said:

Seriously, what is wrong with wearing a replica top to show your support? It's not like they're turning up in team shorts and socks too. How do you suggest they show their support?
After all Dutchies get issued with an orange shirt at birth and Kiwis a black one!

And Ben, strange how the expression has been used many times by people in this thread yet only now have you picked up on it. Have you only just discovered the origin too?

First time I've really noticed it in this thread, to be honest.

I only mention it because if I'd been referring to Liverpool by a nickname that someone then told me was related to Hillsborough (unlikely, granted, as it's a much more recent event), I'd be mortified. And I would stop using it, just on the off chance that it wasn't an "urban myth".

I mean there's no need for one's partisanship leading to being a d1ckhead about it.

And there's nothing wrong with replica tops, IMO, but show me someone who wears one down the shops and I'll show you someone who very likely doesn't know the offside rule.

skyblueamateur

Dorset_Boy said:

Seriously, what is wrong with wearing a replica top to show your support? It's not like they're turning up in team shorts and socks too. How do you suggest they show their support?
After all Dutchies get issued with an orange shirt at birth and Kiwis a black one!

And Ben, strange how the expression has been used many times by people in this thread yet only now have you picked up on it. Have you only just discovered the origin too?

I don't know, it just makes me cringe. Possibly one for the unpopular opinions thread.

Fine for my boys to wear them as their kids but I'd feel like a proper lob-on if we all turned up in our replica tops. Not. For. Me.

DeVlaeminck

Ben6899 said:

Alright mate.

Well if you post shit someone will call you out on it.

Ben6899

DeVlaeminck said:

Ben6899 said:

Alright mate.

Well if you post censored someone will call you out on it.

it's not shiit, but if you want to call it that so you can keep on using "Manure", then go for it.

DeVlaeminck

Ben6899 said:

DeVlaeminck said:

Ben6899 said:

Alright mate.

Well if you post censored someone will call you out on it.

it's not shiit, but if you want to call it that so you can keep on using "Manure", then go for it.

I don't use the term Manure - but it's about as offensive as Leicester Shi tty, Chelscum or some other juvenile use of language.

The urban myth that you've referenced would also have us believe ManU and Man Utd are offensive for similar reasons - that they originated in chants about Munich. That is not only unlikely it can be proven to be untrue. My father in law is a Man Utd fan of that era and uses both (obviously not manure) .