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  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    Leeds will be relegated. They need to invest, defensively.

    Hopefully it’s too late…
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    Good to see football are treating head injuries with the seriousness it deserves.

    How hard would it be to allow temporary replacements so a full and proper assessment can be undertaken? There's going to be a big legal case down the road from a player who was cleared to play on after a 30 second assessment.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,610
    Pross said:

    Good to see football are treating head injuries with the seriousness it deserves.

    How hard would it be to allow temporary replacements so a full and proper assessment can be undertaken? There's going to be a big legal case down the road from a player who was cleared to play on after a 30 second assessment.

    Absolutely. Their current system is an utter joke and lots of players have been in the George North situation of being left on when clearly they've had a bad knock to the head.

    A simple 15 minute HIA as in rugby would solve this.
    Use a concussion sub now and it's a permanent change and both sides get an extra sub - bonkers.

  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,025
    Pross said:

    Good to see football are treating head injuries with the seriousness it deserves.

    How hard would it be to allow temporary replacements so a full and proper assessment can be undertaken? There's going to be a big legal case down the road from a player who was cleared to play on after a 30 second assessment.

    Football is doing better than cycling on this matter.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited February 2022
    TheBigBean said:



    Pross said:

    Good to see football are treating head injuries with the seriousness it deserves.

    How hard would it be to allow temporary replacements so a full and proper assessment can be undertaken? There's going to be a big legal case down the road from a player who was cleared to play on after a 30 second assessment.

    Football is doing better than cycling on this matter.
    The penalty for taking a few minutes to examine a football player is several orders of magnitude less than the penalty for spending 3 minutes checking a cyclist in a race.

    Doubly so when the race is 3 weeks long and requires riders to finish to not be thrown out.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    edited February 2022
    TheBigBean said:



    Pross said:

    Good to see football are treating head injuries with the seriousness it deserves.

    How hard would it be to allow temporary replacements so a full and proper assessment can be undertaken? There's going to be a big legal case down the road from a player who was cleared to play on after a 30 second assessment.

    Football is doing better than cycling on this matter.
    I'm not sure that's true. Despite it being a more difficult process logistically I thought cycling had started making progress on it last season. It would be far more simple in football though, rugby has already given them a model to follow which I believe the PFA are keen to see brought in but at present clubs will continue taking a chance with the player rather than risk being a player short while a proper assessment is made.

    Edit - for what it's worth I started a discussion on it in Pro Race in relation to cycling last year and I was pretty clear that I don't think riders are looked after well enough following crashes.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,025
    Pross said:

    TheBigBean said:



    Pross said:

    Good to see football are treating head injuries with the seriousness it deserves.

    How hard would it be to allow temporary replacements so a full and proper assessment can be undertaken? There's going to be a big legal case down the road from a player who was cleared to play on after a 30 second assessment.

    Football is doing better than cycling on this matter.
    I'm not sure that's true. Despite it being a more difficult process logistically I thought cycling had started making progress on it last season. It would be far more simple in football though, rugby has already given them a model to follow which I believe the PFA are keen to see brought in but at present clubs will continue taking a chance with the player rather than risk being a player short while a proper assessment is made.

    Edit - for what it's worth I started a discussion on it in Pro Race in relation to cycling last year and I was pretty clear that I don't think riders are looked after well enough following crashes.
    Fair enough, my memory of the discussion in Pro Race was everyone telling me there wasn't a problem.

    Football could allow temporary subs especially of goalkeepers without changing the game much.
  • laurentian
    laurentian Posts: 2,568
    I think it would be an interesting move insofar as players already buy time/get the game stopped by feigning a head injury . . . would this happen more or less if the suggested proptcol were brought in?
    Wilier Izoard XP
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,025
    laurentian said:

    I think it would be an interesting move insofar as players already buy time/get the game stopped by feigning a head injury . . . would this happen more or less if the suggested proptcol were brought in?

    Most players don't want to be subbed, so there isn't much incentive to fake it.
  • laurentian
    laurentian Posts: 2,568
    TheBigBean said:

    laurentian said:

    I think it would be an interesting move insofar as players already buy time/get the game stopped by feigning a head injury . . . would this happen more or less if the suggested proptcol were brought in?

    Most players don't want to be subbed, so there isn't much incentive to fake it.
    Quite - so perhaps there'll be less feigning? . . .
    Wilier Izoard XP
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,486
    TheBigBean said:

    laurentian said:

    I think it would be an interesting move insofar as players already buy time/get the game stopped by feigning a head injury . . . would this happen more or less if the suggested proptcol were brought in?

    Most players don't want to be subbed, so there isn't much incentive to fake it.
    A forward in the last 5 minutes, winning by one goal?
    Injury time rarely matches injury time in full.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    pblakeney said:

    TheBigBean said:

    laurentian said:

    I think it would be an interesting move insofar as players already buy time/get the game stopped by feigning a head injury . . . would this happen more or less if the suggested proptcol were brought in?

    Most players don't want to be subbed, so there isn't much incentive to fake it.
    A forward in the last 5 minutes, winning by one goal?
    Injury time rarely matches injury time in full.
    cricket only allows like for like head injury subs
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,025
    surrey_commuter said:

    pblakeney said:

    TheBigBean said:

    laurentian said:

    I think it would be an interesting move insofar as players already buy time/get the game stopped by feigning a head injury . . . would this happen more or less if the suggested proptcol were brought in?

    Most players don't want to be subbed, so there isn't much incentive to fake it.
    A forward in the last 5 minutes, winning by one goal?
    Injury time rarely matches injury time in full.
    cricket only allows like for like head injury subs
    Still not sure it is a good thing in cricket. I think they should just be retired by an independent medic.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,486
    surrey_commuter said:

    pblakeney said:

    TheBigBean said:

    laurentian said:

    I think it would be an interesting move insofar as players already buy time/get the game stopped by feigning a head injury . . . would this happen more or less if the suggested proptcol were brought in?

    Most players don't want to be subbed, so there isn't much incentive to fake it.
    A forward in the last 5 minutes, winning by one goal?
    Injury time rarely matches injury time in full.
    cricket only allows like for like head injury subs
    Yes, but it would waste time.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    pblakeney said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    pblakeney said:

    TheBigBean said:

    laurentian said:

    I think it would be an interesting move insofar as players already buy time/get the game stopped by feigning a head injury . . . would this happen more or less if the suggested proptcol were brought in?

    Most players don't want to be subbed, so there isn't much incentive to fake it.
    A forward in the last 5 minutes, winning by one goal?
    Injury time rarely matches injury time in full.
    cricket only allows like for like head injury subs
    Yes, but it would waste time.
    why?

    bloke has head injury, bloke walks off field to be replaced by sub, if independent medic says bloke is fine they swap back.

    If VAR shows bloke was stood on own when he clutched head and fell to ground he gets a 3 game ban, the threat of which will stop him
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,486
    edited February 2022
    surrey_commuter said:

    pblakeney said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    pblakeney said:

    TheBigBean said:

    laurentian said:

    I think it would be an interesting move insofar as players already buy time/get the game stopped by feigning a head injury . . . would this happen more or less if the suggested proptcol were brought in?

    Most players don't want to be subbed, so there isn't much incentive to fake it.
    A forward in the last 5 minutes, winning by one goal?
    Injury time rarely matches injury time in full.
    cricket only allows like for like head injury subs
    Yes, but it would waste time.
    why?

    bloke has head injury, bloke walks off field to be replaced by sub, if independent medic says bloke is fine they swap back.

    If VAR shows bloke was stood on own when he clutched head and fell to ground he gets a 3 game ban, the threat of which will stop him
    Is that like threat of a ban for diving? In the meantime 2 minutes have been used up.
    All I am saying is unintentional consequences.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    I'm not sure why they don't just do 'time off' like in rugby then feigning injury to waste time is pointless and you get away from those sometimes controversial periods of added time.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,486
    Pross said:

    I'm not sure why they don't just do 'time off' like in rugby then feigning injury to waste time is pointless and you get away from those sometimes controversial periods of added time.

    I'd agree with that. Flip side however is that there was study once and IIRC the ball was in play for around 46/90 minutes.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    I'm not sure why they don't just do 'time off' like in rugby then feigning injury to waste time is pointless and you get away from those sometimes controversial periods of added time.

    I'd agree with that. Flip side however is that there was study once and IIRC the ball was in play for around 46/90 minutes.
    Not suggesting it stops whenever the ball is out of play, just for things like injuries.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,025
    I watched one incident where a player was fouled and injured in the process of winning a penalty. The penalty was then scored and celebrated. There was something like 10 mins between play stopping and kick-off. I think the only time that should count in that period is the 10s or so of penalty taking. Needless to say only about 6 mins in total was added on.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    So Chelsea's up for sale...
    _
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    So Chelsea's up for sale...

    sauce?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    So Chelsea's up for sale...

    sauce?
    Popped up on the bberg terminal.
    _
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    Any chance sanctions could be put in place to stop that or seize the funds?
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    So Chelsea's up for sale...

    sauce?
    Popped up on the bberg terminal.
    main site is all could be, possibly and maybe with potential investors on alert
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Pross said:

    Any chance sanctions could be put in place to stop that or seize the funds?

    I like the idea of blocking a sale and forcing him to own Chelsea FC but not sure how they could force him to keep funding the losses
  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    Pross said:

    Any chance sanctions could be put in place to stop that or seize the funds?

    If they were going to seize it and sell the assets they should hurry whilst Lukaku still has some value. Or it should be state managed with Johnson in charge of selection and tactics.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    surrey_commuter said:

    Pross said:

    Any chance sanctions could be put in place to stop that or seize the funds?

    I like the idea of blocking a sale and forcing him to own Chelsea FC but not sure how they could force him to keep funding the losses
    He's not allowed in the country to watch them.
    _
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    Pross said:

    Any chance sanctions could be put in place to stop that or seize the funds?

    I like the idea of blocking a sale and forcing him to own Chelsea FC but not sure how they could force him to keep funding the losses
    He's not allowed in the country to watch them.
    is that new, because as an Israeli citizen he was allowed in 6 months of a year
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    Abramovich finally sanctioned, club can’t sell any tickets to matches, all merchandise sales halted, player transfers can’t happen.

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