Ronde van Vlaanderen 2021 ***Spoilers***
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While he pulled towards the end of the race, he took short pulls or skipped them entirely for large parts of the race while Alaphilippe was still in contention.
JA bleed the other riders constantly and let asgreen sit in . the only time asgreen went in the wind was man-marking MvdP on the climbs
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
I mean, I think it's a safe assumption that everyone here already does, but the Cycling Podcast episode on this is worth a listen. Marco Haller's is charmingly german in his interview with Daniel.
^^^JA looks genuinely delighted for Kaspar there ☺☺We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Exactly the same thing happened in the women's race.RichN95. said:If I'm the boss of AG2R I'm going to the commissaires and asking why Asgreen and VDP throwing away their bidons was any different to Schar.
We've seen the footage of Van Vleuten chucking her bidon into the grass, but CW's write up paints yet another discriminatory picture.
The winner of the women’s Tour of Flanders, Annemiek van Vleuten was caught on camera discarding a bidon outside one of the designated litter areas just after the Kanarieberg, with around 43km left to race.
But the jury opted not to disqualify Movistar rider Van Vleuten from the race, allowing her to ride to her second career win in Flanders.
Speaking after the stage, Van Vleuten told Belgian newspaper Het Nieuwsblad: “I thought I had done everything in accordance with the regulations.
“I saw someone with a blue jacket and assumed it was someone from the team. And so I threw my water bottle away, assuming I didn’t make a mistake.
“I was mistaken.”
But the jury later ruled that Van Vleuten was allowed to keep her title.
Meanwhile Italian rider Letizia Borghesi (Aromitalia – Basso Bikes – Vaiano) was disqualified from the same race for throwing a bidon just outside one of the littering areas.
In a statement posted on Facebook, Borghesi said she was also fined for the offence, adding that the cost of the fine was greater than the prize money taken home by Van Vleuten for winning the race.
Stinks like a month old dead fish."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
He is "el Tractor". 😉PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230
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The "How the race was won" video really highlights how much work WvA was having to do in the last ~60k or so. He really needs a couple of good classics teammates!0
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See, I think the opposite; his road career is getting in the way of his MTB ambitions. He'll prepare for the Olympics by riding the TdF - while his competitors prepare properly. He said he'll do a training camp for the TdF on his MTB......m.r.m. said:
I think the Olympic ambitions of MvdP are still hampering his road career. He stated in an interview recently that his training base was not as broad as he'd have liked it to be for the road. He is simply pulled (pulls himself) in too many directions with cross, MTB & road.phreak said:
Isn't half of the problem that they both probably came into the race with tired legs? While Asgreen has done a lot of the same races as MvdP, he's only really been contesting races from E3, whereas MvdP won Strade Bianche, took two stages and a 2nd in Tirreno, was at the sharp end of MSR and E3 before taking it easier at Dwars. He said himself he was running on fumes a bit and was still right there. WvA was similar, as he's not finished lower than 13th place all season. Maybe they just need to dose their efforts more?m.r.m. said:I really shouldn't have gone against my favourite rider in PTP. Really lowers the enjoyment of watching the race. Wonder how and when MvdP and WVA will figure out how to be able to work less in reduced groups and save their legs more. It's not a clear cut simple problem.
Was a decent edition of the race though. Worthy winner.
People need to stop thinking of him as a full time road rider - he's not; he's a multi discipline rider, who can take on the specialists on road/MTB successfully.
All Road/ Gravel: tbcWinter: tbcMTB: tbcRoad: tbc"Look at the time...." "he's fallen like an old lady on a cruise ship..."0 -
How many of the biggest mountain bike races is he doing? I don't follow it but it can't be many.
I suppose it depends if he wants to take on the specialists or beat them - he'd have more chance of beating them more often if he became a specialist himself.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
He seems to be doing ok thus far...DeVlaeminck said:
I suppose it depends if he wants to take on the specialists or beat them - he'd have more chance of beating them more often if he became a specialist himself.
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/mathieu-van-der-poel-shares-his-phenomenal-power-numbers-from-tour-of-flanders-2021-495524
Van der Poel power numbers
1470 watts in the sprint!1 -
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One more thing to watch at the Olympics. I enjoyed watching Sagan last time.rick_chasey said:
What a wasteRichN95. said:I know that after the Ardennes, Pidcock is doing MTB full time until after the Olympics. But I think he has to qualify.
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Depends on what his potential is - he's a long way to go to be classed with your Boonens, Kellys etc. As I say though depends on what he wants - if he's willing to compromise road greatness for MTB and cross that's his call.ddraver said:
He seems to be doing ok thus far...DeVlaeminck said:
I suppose it depends if he wants to take on the specialists or beat them - he'd have more chance of beating them more often if he became a specialist himself.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
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https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/20771021/#Comment_20771021
From the Tour of the Basque Country thread.Dorset_Boy said:Are Jumbo Visma's DS's not very good?
Messed up today.
Messed up at Flanders.
Messed up at T-A.
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By letting van aert ride like a loon at tirreno.rick_chasey said:https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/20771021/#Comment_20771021
From the Tour of the Basque Country thread.Dorset_Boy said:Are Jumbo Visma's DS's not very good?
Messed up today.
Messed up at Flanders.
Messed up at T-A.
How did Jumbo screw up Flanders?"Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
By not having a team with multiple potential winners, or even anyone capable of hanging around until the sharp end. Both WvA and MVDP were made to work by QS. MvdP was a force of nature but was still beaten. WvA was a heavy storm to MvdP's hurricane, just not enough in the end.rick_chasey said:https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/20771021/#Comment_20771021
From the Tour of the Basque Country thread.Dorset_Boy said:Are Jumbo Visma's DS's not very good?
Messed up today.
Messed up at Flanders.
Messed up at T-A.
How did Jumbo screw up Flanders?Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
By leaving Van Aert isolated with 50 kms to go. They worked too hard, too early and used up their limited resources. It's clear that their roster for the classics is an afterthought, and that their focus is on supporting GC riders in the main.rick_chasey said:https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/20771021/#Comment_20771021
From the Tour of the Basque Country thread.Dorset_Boy said:Are Jumbo Visma's DS's not very good?
Messed up today.
Messed up at Flanders.
Messed up at T-A.
How did Jumbo screw up Flanders?
Van Hooydonck did really well at Gent-Wevelgem, but was nowhere to be seen in Flanders. I'd struggle to name the rest of the roster.0 -
Their GC team is currently Roglic plus some other guys who don't last long too.andyp said:
By leaving Van Aert isolated with 50 kms to go. They worked too hard, too early and used up their limited resources. It's clear that their roster for the classics is an afterthought, and that their focus is on supporting GC riders in the main.rick_chasey said:https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/20771021/#Comment_20771021
From the Tour of the Basque Country thread.Dorset_Boy said:Are Jumbo Visma's DS's not very good?
Messed up today.
Messed up at Flanders.
Messed up at T-A.
How did Jumbo screw up Flanders?
Van Hooydonck did really well at Gent-Wevelgem, but was nowhere to be seen in Flanders. I'd struggle to name the rest of the roster."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
They are sitting second and third on GC in the Basque country right now, which would suggest that's not the case.0
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I would hardly call Mike Teunissen an afterthought.andyp said:
By leaving Van Aert isolated with 50 kms to go. They worked too hard, too early and used up their limited resources. It's clear that their roster for the classics is an afterthought, and that their focus is on supporting GC riders in the main.rick_chasey said:https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/20771021/#Comment_20771021
From the Tour of the Basque Country thread.Dorset_Boy said:Are Jumbo Visma's DS's not very good?
Messed up today.
Messed up at Flanders.
Messed up at T-A.
How did Jumbo screw up Flanders?
Van Hooydonck did really well at Gent-Wevelgem, but was nowhere to be seen in Flanders. I'd struggle to name the rest of the roster.
He's been sorely missed."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Err, you know Vingegaard just won a stage race and is 3rd in Catalunya right now? And that in last year's GTs we saw Kuss and WVA at the end of all the mountain stages?gsk82 said:
Their GC team is currently Roglic plus some other guys who don't last long too.andyp said:
By leaving Van Aert isolated with 50 kms to go. They worked too hard, too early and used up their limited resources. It's clear that their roster for the classics is an afterthought, and that their focus is on supporting GC riders in the main.rick_chasey said:https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/20771021/#Comment_20771021
From the Tour of the Basque Country thread.Dorset_Boy said:Are Jumbo Visma's DS's not very good?
Messed up today.
Messed up at Flanders.
Messed up at T-A.
How did Jumbo screw up Flanders?
Van Hooydonck did really well at Gent-Wevelgem, but was nowhere to be seen in Flanders. I'd struggle to name the rest of the roster.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Last year? So not currently?No_Ta_Doctor said:
Err, you know Vingegaard just won a stage race and is 3rd in Catalunya right now? And that in last year's GTs we saw Kuss and WVA at the end of all the mountain stages?gsk82 said:
Their GC team is currently Roglic plus some other guys who don't last long too.andyp said:
By leaving Van Aert isolated with 50 kms to go. They worked too hard, too early and used up their limited resources. It's clear that their roster for the classics is an afterthought, and that their focus is on supporting GC riders in the main.rick_chasey said:https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/20771021/#Comment_20771021
From the Tour of the Basque Country thread.Dorset_Boy said:Are Jumbo Visma's DS's not very good?
Messed up today.
Messed up at Flanders.
Messed up at T-A.
How did Jumbo screw up Flanders?
Van Hooydonck did really well at Gent-Wevelgem, but was nowhere to be seen in Flanders. I'd struggle to name the rest of the roster.
All his supposed "joint leaders" have been floundering around all year. The ketones must have worn off."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
Yeah OK. One domestique has just won his first stage race, one came second to Pogacar, his great rival, in T-A, with 3rd place a further 3 mins back. Clearly they're on the ropes.gsk82 said:
Last year? So not currently?No_Ta_Doctor said:
Err, you know Vingegaard just won a stage race and is 3rd in Catalunya right now? And that in last year's GTs we saw Kuss and WVA at the end of all the mountain stages?gsk82 said:
Their GC team is currently Roglic plus some other guys who don't last long too.andyp said:
By leaving Van Aert isolated with 50 kms to go. They worked too hard, too early and used up their limited resources. It's clear that their roster for the classics is an afterthought, and that their focus is on supporting GC riders in the main.rick_chasey said:https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/20771021/#Comment_20771021
From the Tour of the Basque Country thread.Dorset_Boy said:Are Jumbo Visma's DS's not very good?
Messed up today.
Messed up at Flanders.
Messed up at T-A.
How did Jumbo screw up Flanders?
Van Hooydonck did really well at Gent-Wevelgem, but was nowhere to be seen in Flanders. I'd struggle to name the rest of the roster.
All his supposed "joint leaders" have been floundering around all year. The ketones must have worn off.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Just to clarify what No_Ta_Doctor was saying, Jonas Vinegaard has so far this season won a stage of the UAE Tour. Just a week before this race, he won two stages of the Settimana Coppi e Bartali, plus the GC overal win.gsk82 said:
Last year? So not currently?No_Ta_Doctor said:
Err, you know Vingegaard just won a stage race and is 3rd in Catalunya right now? And that in last year's GTs we saw Kuss and WVA at the end of all the mountain stages?gsk82 said:
Their GC team is currently Roglic plus some other guys who don't last long too.andyp said:
By leaving Van Aert isolated with 50 kms to go. They worked too hard, too early and used up their limited resources. It's clear that their roster for the classics is an afterthought, and that their focus is on supporting GC riders in the main.rick_chasey said:https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/20771021/#Comment_20771021
From the Tour of the Basque Country thread.Dorset_Boy said:Are Jumbo Visma's DS's not very good?
Messed up today.
Messed up at Flanders.
Messed up at T-A.
How did Jumbo screw up Flanders?
Van Hooydonck did really well at Gent-Wevelgem, but was nowhere to be seen in Flanders. I'd struggle to name the rest of the roster.
All his supposed "joint leaders" have been floundering around all year. The ketones must have worn off.
You saw the damage he did to a lot of big names on yesterday's final climb.
And now I am in the wrong thread...."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Ja - I don't think that's bad DSing. I don't think the riders were up to it. It's not like jumbo were doing much work prior to that. Their lads didn't have the legs.blazing_saddles said:
I would hardly call Mike Teunissen an afterthought.andyp said:
By leaving Van Aert isolated with 50 kms to go. They worked too hard, too early and used up their limited resources. It's clear that their roster for the classics is an afterthought, and that their focus is on supporting GC riders in the main.rick_chasey said:https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/20771021/#Comment_20771021
From the Tour of the Basque Country thread.Dorset_Boy said:Are Jumbo Visma's DS's not very good?
Messed up today.
Messed up at Flanders.
Messed up at T-A.
How did Jumbo screw up Flanders?
Van Hooydonck did really well at Gent-Wevelgem, but was nowhere to be seen in Flanders. I'd struggle to name the rest of the roster.
He's been sorely missed.
Can't criticise the DS for wrong tactics there. Weren't many tactics to play.
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