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Law 11 is the law in question if anyone wants to have a look."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
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I looked it up yesterday and it didn't say a huge amount. There was no mention of 'being in control'. In fact it says very little about a knock on by a player taking a pass.blazing_saddles said:Law 11 is the law in question if anyone wants to have a look.
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Good thread on the Sonja McLaughin interview (specifically) ..."controversy"?
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I don't do Twitter and disagree with abuse but McLaughlin has always been terrible at the job. It's nothing to do with her being female (Logan, Alphonso, Douglas to name a few all do their job well and knowledgeably) she just comes across as badly researched and always asks stupid questions. She's on a par with Kirby albeit a different role.
It might be the producer telling her to ask but others manage to do it without looking so clueless. The tone tends to either come across as arse licking "weren't you hard done by" or overly aggressive. Even allowing for diversity I've never understood how she has kept the job for so long. It has looked for years that players don't like being interviewed by her so she doesn't get much out of them.
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Definition of a knock on from the laws of rugby.
"Knock-on: When a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when
a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or
arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the
original player can catch it."
Under the "definitions" section, not the law 11 section.
Rees Zammit knocked on. He touched the ball forward with his right hand, then it touched another player before he caught it (he didn't catch it). What happened with his left hand and his thigh and his heel is not relevant.
If he had touched it forward, then caught it, then dropped it backwards, then it's not a knock on.1 -
Yep, at first I thought I was looking at a partial summary. In reading that you could be forgiven for think the ball getting knocked forward by an attacking player isn't a knock on. I even looked at the previous Law to see if it was a continuation.0
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The world's best ref says Gauzere was wrong on both tries:
https://walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/its-100-per-cent-knock-199320050 -
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I guess 7 days is a long time in rugby.Dorset_Boy said:The world's best ref says Gauzere was wrong on both tries:
https://walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/its-100-per-cent-knock-19932005
The world's best ref was wrong according to most England fans, last week.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/nigel-owens-revisits-his-view-of-much-debated-jonny-may-try/
“Now what you can’t do is jump into or jump over a tackle or would-be tackler, the same as you can’t dive or jump over a ruck to score a try. You need to decide if you think that Jonny May has actually jumped to avoid the tackle, then it should be no try. If you think he has done it in the action of scoring a try, then the try stands."
Most neutral pundits would be in little doubt that he jumped to avoid the tackle and therefore should have been penalised.
However, as the article states, this shows that there are some things that still boil down to interpretation.
In any case, it's all moot as England aren't making a complaint to world rugby and the focus of interest has already shifted to the abuse of Sonja McLaughlan.
All HYSs on the BBC website have been removed.
Can't help but feel that they are responsible the shiitstorm in the first place by prompting her to ask the unanswerable.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.1 -
Wah wah wah, Inglaand lost. #ABE1
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At the time I said to my 17 yo that I wasn't sure about the legality of May's try, as he could have been jumping the tackle.blazing_saddles said:
I guess 7 days is a long time in rugby.Dorset_Boy said:The world's best ref says Gauzere was wrong on both tries:
https://walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/its-100-per-cent-knock-19932005
The world's best ref was wrong according to most England fans, last week.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/nigel-owens-revisits-his-view-of-much-debated-jonny-may-try/
“Now what you can’t do is jump into or jump over a tackle or would-be tackler, the same as you can’t dive or jump over a ruck to score a try. You need to decide if you think that Jonny May has actually jumped to avoid the tackle, then it should be no try. If you think he has done it in the action of scoring a try, then the try stands."
Most neutral pundits would be in little doubt that he jumped to avoid the tackle and therefore should have been penalised.
However, as the article states, this shows that there are some things that still boil down to interpretation.
In any case, it's all moot as England aren't making a complaint to world rugby and the focus of interest has already shifted to the abuse of Sonja McLaughlan.
All HYSs on the BBC website have been removed.
Can't help but feel that they are responsible the shiitstorm in the first place by prompting her to ask the unanswerable.
I now think there's been enough of a shitstorm from pundits that there is no need for England to make a formal complaint as the IRB will review the 'performance' of Gauzere anyway (and appoint him for England's next game that isn't against France!!!).0 -
Was she supposed to not ask about it? I thought both Jones and Farrell handled it well, but they were legitimate questions.blazing_saddles said:
I guess 7 days is a long time in rugby.Dorset_Boy said:The world's best ref says Gauzere was wrong on both tries:
https://walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/its-100-per-cent-knock-19932005
The world's best ref was wrong according to most England fans, last week.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/nigel-owens-revisits-his-view-of-much-debated-jonny-may-try/
“Now what you can’t do is jump into or jump over a tackle or would-be tackler, the same as you can’t dive or jump over a ruck to score a try. You need to decide if you think that Jonny May has actually jumped to avoid the tackle, then it should be no try. If you think he has done it in the action of scoring a try, then the try stands."
Most neutral pundits would be in little doubt that he jumped to avoid the tackle and therefore should have been penalised.
However, as the article states, this shows that there are some things that still boil down to interpretation.
In any case, it's all moot as England aren't making a complaint to world rugby and the focus of interest has already shifted to the abuse of Sonja McLaughlan.
All HYSs on the BBC website have been removed.
Can't help but feel that they are responsible the shiitstorm in the first place by prompting her to ask the unanswerable.
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Once was fine though she was never going to get an answer, twice was pushing it but going in a third time was stupid. It was the way she asked as well though, rather than "what are your thoughts on the first two tries" it came across as "wasn't the referee biased and did he cost you the game?". She's a terrible interviewer and whilst the level of abuse she has apparently taken is way out of order (that's social media for you) her ability is worthy of contempt.kingstongraham said:
Was she supposed to not ask about it? I thought both Jones and Farrell handled it well, but they were legitimate questions.blazing_saddles said:
I guess 7 days is a long time in rugby.Dorset_Boy said:The world's best ref says Gauzere was wrong on both tries:
https://walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/its-100-per-cent-knock-19932005
The world's best ref was wrong according to most England fans, last week.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/nigel-owens-revisits-his-view-of-much-debated-jonny-may-try/
“Now what you can’t do is jump into or jump over a tackle or would-be tackler, the same as you can’t dive or jump over a ruck to score a try. You need to decide if you think that Jonny May has actually jumped to avoid the tackle, then it should be no try. If you think he has done it in the action of scoring a try, then the try stands."
Most neutral pundits would be in little doubt that he jumped to avoid the tackle and therefore should have been penalised.
However, as the article states, this shows that there are some things that still boil down to interpretation.
In any case, it's all moot as England aren't making a complaint to world rugby and the focus of interest has already shifted to the abuse of Sonja McLaughlan.
All HYSs on the BBC website have been removed.
Can't help but feel that they are responsible the shiitstorm in the first place by prompting her to ask the unanswerable.
I agree they both dealt with it well but it was such an obvious attempt to get them to say something controversial that would have landed them with a fine.4 -
So, it turns out that the rumours surrounding French head coach, Fabian Galthie were true.
Surely Scotland have a case to claim the match and points as a result?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/56238207"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Only just seen about the abuse ) death threats Genge got for allegedly not clapping Wales off the pitch. There's some right idiots out there behind their keyboao, I wonder how many would have the nerve to make comments like that to him face to face. Bunch of cowards.0
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^ Theres one in every village, plonkers!0
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Italy frustrate the hell out of me, they can play really good rugby at times but just can't do it consistently and make stupid mistakes.0
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They (Italy) can't seem to join the dots, some really good little bits, but...
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Agree. They are playing better than they have but still get thumped.
I just don't think they can cope with the added intensity of the 6Ns, and none of the other nations are playing badly enough for them to get a much needed morale boosting win.
It's almost as if they have 2/3s of a squad suited for international rugby, but the other 1/3 just aren't quite there.0 -
England v France shaping up to be a wide open game.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Watson having a stormer.0
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The second French try was a bit special.0
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Great first half
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Good game this, not sure who I want to win but if the French can tire themselves out a lot that would be nice.0
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Second half didn't disappoint either
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