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Nothing to whinge about, I think the officials got all the key decisions right. Wales blew a really good opportunity but France were very un-French in failing to implode and start arguing among themselves. Much as I wanted a Welsh win I do think having a strong French team in the tournament is a good thing.1
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A day of great rugby!0
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He gave a penalty against Alun-Wyn, BS!! A Penalty against Alun-Wyn! I mean that's just axiomatically wrong!!!!blazing_saddles said:
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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England were really poor. Their discipline was so poor again, highlighted by them conceding 3 or 4 penalties when Ireland were down to 14.0
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^^Case in point for the lolz...
And it is rather funnyWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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There are always a few and every nationality regularly blames the ref.ddraver said:^^Case in point for the lolz...
And it is rather funny
The amount of criticism Nigel Owens took over the years from English fans was astounding.
Heck, he took a lot stick after his Twitter "rulings" of the England game against Italy.
The following week against Wales, they thought he was a cross between Confusius and King Solomon."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Those people probably never watch rugby outside of internationals, sport is just a proxy for nationalism to them.0
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Anyone that whinges, or accuses others of whinging, clearly never knows what they're talking about.
That one, in particular, did make me smile tho. Awarding the game to France by red carding one of them 10 mins from the end... 😁😁😁We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Sadly it seems Liam Williams received huge amounts of abuse on Twatter, to the point the WRU issued a statement that it was totally unacceptable.
As Pross says, not people who watch the game outside the internationals, and certainly idiots with zero understanding of the ethos of the game.2 -
This.Dorset_Boy said:Sadly it seems Liam Williams received huge amounts of abuse on Twatter, to the point the WRU issued a statement that it was totally unacceptable.
As Pross says, not people who watch the game outside the internationals, and certainly idiots with zero understanding of the ethos of the game.
Twitter empowers little people to talk big about any subject or incident that comes along.
It's a toxic melting pot."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.3 -
Quite a lot of backlash over the twitter abuse of Liam Williams.
Nigel Owens has his say on the subject, then makes another of his revisionary "rulings": Liam Williams did nothing wrong.
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Nigel is simply wrong - you cannot dive off your feet to knock the ball out of the scrum half's hands. It's a penalty all day long - I really can't see any attempt to make a tackle.
Still as it was an interview for BBC Wales's Scrum V ............
I do think the yellow was due to the accumulation of penalty offences by that stage, and Wales weren't learning.0 -
I like Nigel and there is probably no one better in the world to ask...but...I, umm, yeesh, errr, he is in danger of undermining the officials on the field with these sorts of interviews.
I can completely understand why he gets asked, and no one will generate more clicks but...
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I couldn't work out what it was for, I thought he dived to make a tackle but French TV being French TV there was no replay. They probably opted for a super slo mo arthouse shot of a drip of sweat falling from a player's nose instead. Likewise I never saw a replay of that fast moving driving maul just before the (rightly) disallowed LRZ "try". But on balance Wales had more than their fair share of the 50/50 shouts in the tournament so no complaints from me.Dorset_Boy said:Nigel is simply wrong - you cannot dive off your feet to knock the ball out of the scrum half's hands. It's a penalty all day long - I really can't see any attempt to make a tackle.
Still as it was an interview for BBC Wales's Scrum V ............
I do think the yellow was due to the accumulation of penalty offences by that stage, and Wales weren't learning.0 -
This was my thinking when I posted it.ddraver said:I like Nigel and there is probably no one better in the world to ask...but...I, umm, yeesh, errr, he is in danger of undermining the officials on the field with these sorts of interviews.
I can completely understand why he gets asked, and no one will generate more clicks but...
He's not going to endear himself to the current crop of refs if they think he's going to be looking over their shoulders, each international.
Anyhow, another remarkable turnaround tonight at Parc y Scarlets.
Llanelli lost the first half 33 - 12 and conceded 5 tries, against Connacht.
Then went and won the second half 34 - 3.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
I'm not convinced he did anything wrong either beyond a knock on. The ball was not in a ruck, he dived to make a tackle and dislodged the ball.Pross said:
I couldn't work out what it was for, I thought he dived to make a tackle but French TV being French TV there was no replay. They probably opted for a super slo mo arthouse shot of a drip of sweat falling from a player's nose instead. Likewise I never saw a replay of that fast moving driving maul just before the (rightly) disallowed LRZ "try". But on balance Wales had more than their fair share of the 50/50 shouts in the tournament so no complaints from me.Dorset_Boy said:Nigel is simply wrong - you cannot dive off your feet to knock the ball out of the scrum half's hands. It's a penalty all day long - I really can't see any attempt to make a tackle.
Still as it was an interview for BBC Wales's Scrum V ............
I do think the yellow was due to the accumulation of penalty offences by that stage, and Wales weren't learning.0 -
There was no ruck, the two French players were not part of it. So play is open. Even if it were, the ruck has been completed. Liam is entitled to tackle and, indeed, does so. In the act the ball is knocked from Dupont's hands. That may be a knock on, it may be deliberate. It was penalised as the latter. Had there been no warning/cards it's likely this would have been a penalty at most.
That said, go low in the context of what's happening there and I don't think you have many complaints. As others have said, we've had our share of good fortune and eventually that runs out.
That we were in a position to win a Grand Slam though is quite incredible.
Not sniping, but I genuinely can't recall England having a minus points difference in a 6 nations?My blog: http://www.roubaixcycling.cc (kit reviews and other musings)
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No, even in 2018 we finished with a positive points differencebendertherobot said:
Not sniping, but I genuinely can't recall England having a minus points difference in a 6 nations?
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We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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The ref when getting out the yellow card for Liam Williams, says "Off your feet... Yellow card for you, diving off feet."bendertherobot said:There was no ruck, the two French players were not part of it. So play is open. Even if it were, the ruck has been completed. Liam is entitled to tackle and, indeed, does so. In the act the ball is knocked from Dupont's hands. That may be a knock on, it may be deliberate. It was penalised as the latter. Had there been no warning/cards it's likely this would have been a penalty at most.
That said, go low in the context of what's happening there and I don't think you have many complaints. As others have said, we've had our share of good fortune and eventually that runs out.
That we were in a position to win a Grand Slam though is quite incredible.
Not sniping, but I genuinely can't recall England having a minus points difference in a 6 nations?
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He did and that's exactly why Nigel Owens said it was the wrong decision, since Liam had done everything he needed to do to get himself back onside and able to tackle.kingstongraham said:
The ref when getting out the yellow card for Liam Williams, says "Off your feet... Yellow card for you, diving off feet."bendertherobot said:There was no ruck, the two French players were not part of it. So play is open. Even if it were, the ruck has been completed. Liam is entitled to tackle and, indeed, does so. In the act the ball is knocked from Dupont's hands. That may be a knock on, it may be deliberate. It was penalised as the latter. Had there been no warning/cards it's likely this would have been a penalty at most.
That said, go low in the context of what's happening there and I don't think you have many complaints. As others have said, we've had our share of good fortune and eventually that runs out.
That we were in a position to win a Grand Slam though is quite incredible.
Not sniping, but I genuinely can't recall England having a minus points difference in a 6 nations?
More of a case for a deliberate knock on, if you ask me.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
He made no attempt to play the man, so was diving off his feet to knock the ball from the 9's hands, with no attempt to pull the ball backwards. All of which is illegal.blazing_saddles said:
He did and that's exactly why Nigel Owens said it was the wrong decision, since Liam had done everything he needed to do to get himself back onside and able to tackle.kingstongraham said:
The ref when getting out the yellow card for Liam Williams, says "Off your feet... Yellow card for you, diving off feet."bendertherobot said:There was no ruck, the two French players were not part of it. So play is open. Even if it were, the ruck has been completed. Liam is entitled to tackle and, indeed, does so. In the act the ball is knocked from Dupont's hands. That may be a knock on, it may be deliberate. It was penalised as the latter. Had there been no warning/cards it's likely this would have been a penalty at most.
That said, go low in the context of what's happening there and I don't think you have many complaints. As others have said, we've had our share of good fortune and eventually that runs out.
That we were in a position to win a Grand Slam though is quite incredible.
Not sniping, but I genuinely can't recall England having a minus points difference in a 6 nations?
More of a case for a deliberate knock on, if you ask me.0 -
Diving off his feet is not illegal.Dorset_Boy said:
He made no attempt to play the man, so was diving off his feet to knock the ball from the 9's hands, with no attempt to pull the ball backwards. All of which is illegal.blazing_saddles said:
He did and that's exactly why Nigel Owens said it was the wrong decision, since Liam had done everything he needed to do to get himself back onside and able to tackle.kingstongraham said:
The ref when getting out the yellow card for Liam Williams, says "Off your feet... Yellow card for you, diving off feet."bendertherobot said:There was no ruck, the two French players were not part of it. So play is open. Even if it were, the ruck has been completed. Liam is entitled to tackle and, indeed, does so. In the act the ball is knocked from Dupont's hands. That may be a knock on, it may be deliberate. It was penalised as the latter. Had there been no warning/cards it's likely this would have been a penalty at most.
That said, go low in the context of what's happening there and I don't think you have many complaints. As others have said, we've had our share of good fortune and eventually that runs out.
That we were in a position to win a Grand Slam though is quite incredible.
Not sniping, but I genuinely can't recall England having a minus points difference in a 6 nations?
More of a case for a deliberate knock on, if you ask me.
Maybe there's another offence, that's debatable.0 -
Well, it would be, were it deemed a ruck situation.kingstongraham said:
Diving off his feet is not illegal.Dorset_Boy said:
He made no attempt to play the man, so was diving off his feet to knock the ball from the 9's hands, with no attempt to pull the ball backwards. All of which is illegal.blazing_saddles said:
He did and that's exactly why Nigel Owens said it was the wrong decision, since Liam had done everything he needed to do to get himself back onside and able to tackle.kingstongraham said:
The ref when getting out the yellow card for Liam Williams, says "Off your feet... Yellow card for you, diving off feet."bendertherobot said:There was no ruck, the two French players were not part of it. So play is open. Even if it were, the ruck has been completed. Liam is entitled to tackle and, indeed, does so. In the act the ball is knocked from Dupont's hands. That may be a knock on, it may be deliberate. It was penalised as the latter. Had there been no warning/cards it's likely this would have been a penalty at most.
That said, go low in the context of what's happening there and I don't think you have many complaints. As others have said, we've had our share of good fortune and eventually that runs out.
That we were in a position to win a Grand Slam though is quite incredible.
Not sniping, but I genuinely can't recall England having a minus points difference in a 6 nations?
More of a case for a deliberate knock on, if you ask me.
Maybe there's another offence, that's debatable.
But as Nig was at pains to point out, Dupont had picked the ball up and therefore it was back in open play.
So, it can be deliberate knock on, but not diving off feet.
Wrong decision then, but perhaps the right outcome....."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
