La Vuelta 2020 - Stage 12: Pola de Laviana > Alto de l'Angliru - 109,4 km *Spoilers*
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mididoctors said:
If they (jumbo) rode super defensibly and slowed down letting the stage go to a break whatever it would signal.earlier roglic was weak . You don't want to.lose the wheel 6 k.to go . Maintain the fiction
That's fair. But he can't have been struggling every stage this season.Twitter: @RichN950 -
I guess that is why the fiction will work 9 times out of 10 ...that said I think kuss was kinda surprised roglic was nailed to one speed and couldn't lift it. Maybe you don't know till you are thereRichN95. said:mididoctors said:If they (jumbo) rode super defensibly and slowed down letting the stage go to a break whatever it would signal.earlier roglic was weak . You don't want to lose the wheel 6 k.to go . Maintain the fiction
That's fair. But he can't have been struggling every stage this season."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm1 -
Without Kuss Roglic would have lost a lot more I think. He would have slipped a lot further back, but he manger to stick on and get some momentum back.
Then again Hugh looked terrible at one point as well. Woods rode well to support Carthy. Dan rode well alone. Ineos had the Land Rover at the side of the mountain blocking the view! I would be fuming if I was Carapaz.
love the idea of swapping the two stages.
Lancashire won that War of the roses, Tanfield book ended the stage.
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I'm not arguing, and that's why I said Sky, not Ineos. I think both used tactics to suit them. I'd like to know if any Jumbo haters were Sky fanbois. Curious.RichN95. said:pblakeney said:
If you were watching then Roglic was struggling, or having an off day.
As a tactic Jumbo are just doing what Sky did. People moaned then, and they are moaning now.
But there's no variation in their tactics. If Roglic is having a good day he'll attack from 300m rather than 150m. Jumbo are riding like Wiggins's Sky, not Froome's. Roglic is only interested in winning and this is likely to work, so you can't blame himThe above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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Jumbo were always going to ride defensively weren't they - Roglic's record on that climb and with the TT to come the only tactic was to ride a tempo that deterred attacks without blowing it to pieces on the lower slopes.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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oooft you could be my domestique at that pace. (though you might drop mepblakeney said:
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Riding to win is why he's here. It is good to see that whilst the other teams look weak by comparison the other leaders are not too far away. Albeit the time trial is on Tuesday.RichN95. said:pblakeney said:
If you were watching then Roglic was struggling, or having an off day.
As a tactic Jumbo are just doing what Sky did. People moaned then, and they are moaning now.
But there's no variation in their tactics. If Roglic is having a good day he'll attack from 300m rather than 150m. Jumbo are riding like Wiggins's Sky, not Froome's. Roglic is only interested in winning and this is likely to work, so you can't blame him
And there is tons of TT in the tour next year so we'd all better get used to seeing a yellow team sky 0 -
i thought Roglic did remarkably well yesterday to not sustain big losses and just carry on churning out what he could. It takes skill to know when you're right on your limit and not push beyond in the heat of the moment and properly blow up and more or less have to unclip. Maybe it takes skill and a robust and level head associated with your power meter.
Given everyone said he would be poor at a steep climb, based on Montirolo, I actually thought he squeezed a better day out of it than might have been feared.2015 Canyon Nerve AL 6.0 (son #1's)
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I think what was said, certainly what I said, was that not much to go on other than the Mortirolo in the 2019 Giro, we didn't know if the super steep climbs like this were a potential weakness.larkim said:
Given everyone said he would be poor at a steep climb, based on Montirolo, I actually thought he squeezed a better day out of it than might have been feared.
From what I saw yesterday, the answer is no. He did, as you rightly say, really well to ride to his limits and ensure the losses he incurred were minimised.
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Tanfield rode a 34x36 up the climb. On the Cycling Podcast he said the climb was dreadful and that gear was what he needed.0
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I have ridden steeper but not that length it's bonkersamrushton said:Tanfield rode a 34x36 up the climb. On the Cycling Podcast he said the climb was dreadful and that gear was what he needed.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
I rode the mortirolo a ways back was very tough ..."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Does that mean I can boast doing it on a 34x30 then? 🤣🤣🤣amrushton said:Tanfield rode a 34x36 up the climb. On the Cycling Podcast he said the climb was dreadful and that gear was what he needed.
It was virtual but I have my settings at 100% so as not to kid myself.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Not the same at all, especially if it's a hot day. You'll be going so slowly in real life that you will get absolutely no wind to cool you down. An event I did that went over the Mortirolo went to the lengths of having a drink station half way up (as well as at the bottom and the top) for that very reason. Having a fan blowing air on you indoors doesn't really replicate that.pblakeney said:
Does that mean I can boast doing it on a 34x30 then? 🤣🤣🤣amrushton said:Tanfield rode a 34x36 up the climb. On the Cycling Podcast he said the climb was dreadful and that gear was what he needed.
It was virtual but I have my settings at 100% so as not to kid myself.0 -
Who mentioned a fan? 😂phreak said:
Not the same at all, especially if it's a hot day. You'll be going so slowly in real life that you will get absolutely no wind to cool you down. An event I did that went over the Mortirolo went to the lengths of having a drink station half way up (as well as at the bottom and the top) for that very reason. Having a fan blowing air on you indoors doesn't really replicate that.pblakeney said:
Does that mean I can boast doing it on a 34x30 then? 🤣🤣🤣amrushton said:Tanfield rode a 34x36 up the climb. On the Cycling Podcast he said the climb was dreadful and that gear was what he needed.
It was virtual but I have my settings at 100% so as not to kid myself.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
I think he rode it on 36 inner with a 34 sprocket. Although Matt Stephens on Eurosport said when he asked him, he was going for 36 x 32.0
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That makes much more sense. Still surprisingly low for a pro IMO.webboo said:I think he rode it on 36 inner with a 34 sprocket. Although Matt Stephens on Eurosport said when he asked him, he was going for 36 x 32.
Nice to know that we all suffer, but I suffer at a lower pace. 😉The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It's easier to go that slowly on the turbo - in real life when it gets below a certain point you end up effectively track standing and just trying to turn the pedals often enough that you get to the top before you fall off... Which is not really a problem on the turbo!phreak said:
Not the same at all, especially if it's a hot day. You'll be going so slowly in real life that you will get absolutely no wind to cool you down. An event I did that went over the Mortirolo went to the lengths of having a drink station half way up (as well as at the bottom and the top) for that very reason. Having a fan blowing air on you indoors doesn't really replicate that.pblakeney said:
Does that mean I can boast doing it on a 34x30 then? 🤣🤣🤣amrushton said:Tanfield rode a 34x36 up the climb. On the Cycling Podcast he said the climb was dreadful and that gear was what he needed.
It was virtual but I have my settings at 100% so as not to kid myself.0 -
It's like this, right? https://www.strava.com/segments/4479066 but going on forever.0
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Not forever. The hard part "only" lasts for 4 miles.kingstongraham said:It's like this, right? https://www.strava.com/segments/4479066 but going on forever.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Well, my average speed over the hard part was 3.9mph.bobmcstuff said:
It's easier to go that slowly on the turbo - in real life when it gets below a certain point you end up effectively track standing and just trying to turn the pedals often enough that you get to the top before you fall off... Which is not really a problem on the turbo!phreak said:
Not the same at all, especially if it's a hot day. You'll be going so slowly in real life that you will get absolutely no wind to cool you down. An event I did that went over the Mortirolo went to the lengths of having a drink station half way up (as well as at the bottom and the top) for that very reason. Having a fan blowing air on you indoors doesn't really replicate that.pblakeney said:
Does that mean I can boast doing it on a 34x30 then? 🤣🤣🤣amrushton said:Tanfield rode a 34x36 up the climb. On the Cycling Podcast he said the climb was dreadful and that gear was what he needed.
It was virtual but I have my settings at 100% so as not to kid myself.
Slow, but not falling off slow. 😉The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
And I couldn't see any moss on it, which must make the Angliru easier.pblakeney said:
Not forever. The hard part "only" lasts for 4 miles.kingstongraham said:It's like this, right? https://www.strava.com/segments/4479066 but going on forever.
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He must have hated switching between front rings. 😱amrushton said:
Carthy used 53/34 with 11-32webboo said:I think he rode it on 36 inner with a 34 sprocket. Although Matt Stephens on Eurosport said when he asked him, he was going for 36 x 32.
That's a huge gap requiring double shifting.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0
