Giro 2020 - Stage 21: Cernusco sul Naviglio – Milano 15.7 km ITT *spoilers*
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It is nice to have a winner that everyone likes, and no sniping from the sidelines.DeadCalm said:I'm absolutely chuffed to bits for TGH. He comes across as a properly sound fella.
Dennis was immense on stages 19 and 20 but, until Piancavallo, Ineos were all about stage wins and Tao did a huge amount of effort on his own. That was a hugely deserved victory.
Wonderfully entertaining race!The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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mididoctors said:
Would g have won?
You'd think so, but we'll never know.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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I'm not 100% sure he had the mountain legs but his TTing suggested he had the form.mididoctors said:Would g have won?
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He was a minute and a half faster than Tao in the first time trial, and we know now a massively strong team.1
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I'm 100% sure he would have won comfortably. Same could be said of Yates though as well (without G) judging off his Tirreno form.Pross said:
I'm not 100% sure he had the mountain legs but his TTing suggested he had the form.mididoctors said:Would g have won?
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You say that but Ganna had those super sculpted fancy bars and TGH had a pair of glorified pipes bent up at 90 degrees.Pross said:The attention to detail was there again whether it was having the right clothing for the race conditions or arranging a helicopter transfer to maximise recovery. Sure, the budget helps but the cost of a couple of helicopters is pretty small beer in the grand scheme of a World Tour team budget. As for making sure riders have a jacket they get on easily in cold weather in the mountains on a stage where everyone knew there would be cold weather and mountains, that just feels like a basic.
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Managed to avoid spoilers and watched it back. Got back about an hour later than planned from my tour of greater Manchester... Had some random notifications on my phone I had to get my wife to clear and then couldn't go on Strava or here in case there were spoilers...
Not as tense as the Tour TT for me (mainly because that was so unexpected) but still couldn't sit down while I was watching it!
That's just great that.tailwindhome said:0 -
Yeah I think so... They were never going to peg TGH to within 3 seconds of Kelderman, even if Hindley had done a Dennis-like effort.mididoctors said:Insane can't believe it still.
Only 3 secs slower than wilco ..which I think settles the "did sunweb make the right decision debate" inane now0 -
BBC News - Giro d'Italia: Tao Geoghegan Hart wins first Grand Tour
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/54679027
Nice article on BBC front page with only a few obvious inaccuracies...0 -
Would have been a stretch to get a 3D printed set of bars done in the time available (and comfort / being used to the position would be vital).rick_chasey said:
You say that but Ganna had those super sculpted fancy bars and TGH had a pair of glorified pipes bent up at 90 degrees.Pross said:The attention to detail was there again whether it was having the right clothing for the race conditions or arranging a helicopter transfer to maximise recovery. Sure, the budget helps but the cost of a couple of helicopters is pretty small beer in the grand scheme of a World Tour team budget. As for making sure riders have a jacket they get on easily in cold weather in the mountains on a stage where everyone knew there would be cold weather and mountains, that just feels like a basic.
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The recon pic i saw today of Ganna and TGH , their bar set up looked a carbon copy of each one.0
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The Cannibal looks like he approves, from 2015
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Just saw a picture of my old club mate with the trophy. Really is a nice bit of bling.1
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So a rider not quite at the top wins a GT because the other contenders fall off / fall out / don't start this race. If he's called Nibali he's dissed. If he's called TGH he's lauded.
Is that fair?2015 Canyon Nerve AL 6.0 (son #1's)
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One gets touted as a contender in every race and came 7th in this event, the other started as a domestique and won.larkim said:So a rider not quite at the top wins a GT because the other contenders fall off / fall out / don't start this race. If he's called Nibali he's dissed. If he's called TGH he's lauded.
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I wonder what TGH is like at running? It sounds like he could be a decent Ironman contender if he can run a bit.0
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And TGH won't be touted as a contender from now on?Pross said:
One gets touted as a contender in every race and came 7th in this event, the other started as a domestique and won.larkim said:So a rider not quite at the top wins a GT because the other contenders fall off / fall out / don't start this race. If he's called Nibali he's dissed. If he's called TGH he's lauded.
Is that fair?2015 Canyon Nerve AL 6.0 (son #1's)
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He's dissed more because he's a whinging petulant cheat really. So no matter who Tao does or doesn't beat it doesn't seem like he's got that to worry about.larkim said:So a rider not quite at the top wins a GT because the other contenders fall off / fall out / don't start this race. If he's called Nibali he's dissed. If he's called TGH he's lauded.
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larkim said:
So a rider not quite at the top wins a GT because the other contenders fall off / fall out / don't start this race. If he's called Nibali he's dissed. If he's called TGH he's lauded.
Is that fair?
No-one was denying him his victories. But people, including me, pointed out that his four GT wins were generally against sub-par opposition and we would rather the didn't win a fifth in similar circumstances. Better for someone else to profit.Twitter: @RichN952 -
Had Hindley won yes, as it is it kind of proved he was never going to win and saving 90 seconds for Kelderman over 2 stages was at least possible - Smith reckoned he'd have saved almost that on the Stelvio stage.bobmcstuff said:
Yeah I think so... They were never going to peg TGH to within 3 seconds of Kelderman, even if Hindley had done a Dennis-like effort.mididoctors said:Insane can't believe it still.
Only 3 secs slower than wilco ..which I think settles the "did sunweb make the right decision debate" inane now
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Still on about this? Your horse lost, get over it.DeVlaeminck said:
Had Hindley won yes, as it is it kind of proved he was never going to win and saving 90 seconds for Kelderman over 2 stages was at least possible - Smith reckoned he'd have saved almost that on the Stelvio stage.bobmcstuff said:
Yeah I think so... They were never going to peg TGH to within 3 seconds of Kelderman, even if Hindley had done a Dennis-like effort.mididoctors said:Insane can't believe it still.
Only 3 secs slower than wilco ..which I think settles the "did sunweb make the right decision debate" inane now
Oh, and Smith changed his tune this afternoon.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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Here is a photo from God know when ... Clem , Alex peters , Tao . Kier Appleby 2nd from right . Deserves credit . Clubs bringing kids in early is where it is at
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That's an easy one. No.larkim said:So a rider not quite at the top wins a GT because the other contenders fall off / fall out / don't start this race. If he's called Nibali he's dissed. If he's called TGH he's lauded.
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Only if we have to spend the next 5 years being told that tgh is a real threat, when he clearly isn't, gets a stupid nickname and is always lauded as the best in the world at a particular skill, when again, he clearly isn't.larkim said:So a rider not quite at the top wins a GT because the other contenders fall off / fall out / don't start this race. If he's called Nibali he's dissed. If he's called TGH he's lauded.
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What is it with some people on this forum and the lack of respect shown to Nibali? He's won four GTs, with only Froome ahead of him amongst currently active riders, and three monuments, with only Gilbert and Valverde ahead of him, and yet there are still some who seem to think he's second rate.
You don't build a palmares like his without being talented, committed and professional. He might be in the twilight of his career, but it's been an outstanding career by any objective measure.3 -
Maybe and he may well turn out to be if he gets the chances. He made up a lot of time against some second tier GC riders in this race and once he came into contention never looked in trouble. Can he take on the likes of Pogacar etc? Who knows.larkim said:
And TGH won't be touted as a contender from now on?Pross said:
One gets touted as a contender in every race and came 7th in this event, the other started as a domestique and won.larkim said:So a rider not quite at the top wins a GT because the other contenders fall off / fall out / don't start this race. If he's called Nibali he's dissed. If he's called TGH he's lauded.
Is that fair?0
