Spring (autumn) classics *spoilers*
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Not every move Mads makes is covered by the group/final selection. Same would go for some other top riders. That is a luxury MvdP, WVA & Sagan don't have. Gives him the opportunity to not have to close every gap and to follow wheels more. It's harder to win for the likes of MvdP, WVA & Sagan.
Mads Pedersen is still sitting in the GVA niche of being a top rider, but not in the very highest echelon. You get a little more freedom there. That should change if he wins Flanders on Sunday.
Was a great tactical win by him. He won the race without being the strongest.PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230 -
And it's daft that he's viewed not in the top niche though. He was until recently the World Champion and he's been second at Flanders. And he's younger than both Vans. And GVA is/was a top rider. I guess Pedersen and GVA don't get the media hype.m.r.m. said:Not every move Mads makes is covered by the group/final selection. Same would go for some other top riders. That is a luxury MvdP, WVA & Sagan don't have. Gives him the opportunity to not have to close every gap and to follow wheels more. It's harder to win for the likes of MvdP, WVA & Sagan.
Mads Pedersen is still sitting in the GVA niche of being a top rider, but not in the very highest echelon. You get a little more freedom there. That should change if he wins Flanders on Sunday.Twitter: @RichN951 -
GVA gets enough hype in Belgium....RichN95. said:
And it's daft that he's viewed not in the top niche though. He was until recently the World Champion and he's been second at Flanders. And he's younger than both Vans. And GVA is/was a top rider. I guess Pedersen and GVA don't get the media hype.m.r.m. said:Not every move Mads makes is covered by the group/final selection. Same would go for some other top riders. That is a luxury MvdP, WVA & Sagan don't have. Gives him the opportunity to not have to close every gap and to follow wheels more. It's harder to win for the likes of MvdP, WVA & Sagan.
Mads Pedersen is still sitting in the GVA niche of being a top rider, but not in the very highest echelon. You get a little more freedom there. That should change if he wins Flanders on Sunday.0 -
I was surprised by him at the worlds, but I'm not any more.RichN95. said:
And it's daft that he's viewed not in the top niche though. He was until recently the World Champion and he's been second at Flanders. And he's younger than both Vans. And GVA is/was a top rider. I guess Pedersen and GVA don't get the media hype.m.r.m. said:Not every move Mads makes is covered by the group/final selection. Same would go for some other top riders. That is a luxury MvdP, WVA & Sagan don't have. Gives him the opportunity to not have to close every gap and to follow wheels more. It's harder to win for the likes of MvdP, WVA & Sagan.
Mads Pedersen is still sitting in the GVA niche of being a top rider, but not in the very highest echelon. You get a little more freedom there. That should change if he wins Flanders on Sunday.0 -
What criteria do PCS use for deciding the top competitors for a race? This is their list for Flanders. Neither of the Vans and no Hirschi or Pedersen.
Top competitors
KRISTOFF Alexander
GREIPEL André
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald
DEGENKOLB John
KWIATKOWSKI Michał
BARDET Romain
ALAPHILIPPE Julian
TERPSTRA Niki
WELLENS Tim
NIZZOLO Giacomo
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DeadCalm said:
What criteria do PCS use for deciding the top competitors for a race? This is their list for Flanders. Neither of the Vans and no Hirschi or Pedersen.
Top competitors
KRISTOFF Alexander
GREIPEL André
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald
DEGENKOLB John
KWIATKOWSKI Michał
BARDET Romain
ALAPHILIPPE Julian
TERPSTRA Niki
WELLENS Tim
NIZZOLO Giacomo
It looks like career points: https://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=247169&p=startlist&s=riders-ranked&type=10001&filter=Filter
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So a list of contenders would be largely the riders who featured on Sunday.
Wva, MvdP, Bettiol, Degenkolb, Pedersen, Trentin, Asgreen, Senechel, Lampaert, etc.0 -
Ah okcarbonclem said:
I was reffering to Twitter. Obvs its not entirely sewer, but , y'know ...DeVlaeminck said:
I think it's harsh to call the comments section of Cycling News a sewer and looking at the comments on that article you'd have to read them very selectively to take real offence over the whole.carbonclem said:
It just opens up an opportunity for people to comment 'Hes finished' 'Hes censored ' yada yada.DeVlaeminck said:
I wasn't sure what article he was referring to here. I'm a Cav fan and sympathetic to anyone who has suffered mental health problems too (well I think I am this comment may persuade some I'm not) but if it was the Cycling News bit on his contract negotiations I couldn't really see what the journalist had done wrong.tailwindhome said:For some context he tweeted this yesterday
He acknowledged it was just what they 'do' , but even so, it highlights them opening the door to the sewer.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Some crazies seems to be putting money on Alaphilippe, he's at 10-1, third favourite, which is just mad. He's never ridden it before, has never shown anything I know of on cobbles, and despite being good at short sharp climbs likes to do it out of the saddle - not so good on damp cobbles.rick_chasey said:So a list of contenders would be largely the riders who featured on Sunday.
Wva, MvdP, Bettiol, Degenkolb, Pedersen, Trentin, Asgreen, Senechel, Lampaert, etc.
Naesen, Stybar, Kristoff could be included for old times sake.
Otherwise Sunweb rock up with a decent team in Søren Kragh, Tiesj Benoot and Marc Hirschi (debut for him, but two top tens in the u23 edition)Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Stefan Küng and Jasper Stuyven probably deserve a mention, no?"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
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Compare Pedersen with Tuens. The latter sat on once the lead group had formed after the final ascent of the Kemmelberg, but was too far back when the split happened and didn't have the legs to get across. Instant karma, but a tactical error in not being alert to how the race was unfolding.rick_chasey said:
Yeah agreed.No_Ta_Doctor said:DK TV (Brian Holm i think) pointed out the chasers backed off a bit just before the last Kemmelberg so they could surge up to the lead group there while dropping some hangers-on. Then Mads actually blocked WVA as they neared the top. Smart riding. Neutralised their biggest asset (raw power) at the moment they could use it best. I think he'd struggle to stay with them if they went toe to toe from the bottom, but I reckon almost everyone would.
Of course, if MvdP and WvA got away together then they probably would have dicked around and got caught anyway, and if only one had escaped then same.
Mads did not stick his nose in the wind for the entire final sequence of moves till he went with the winning break too, let's not forget.0 -
Yeah he did not get glowing reviews in the Belgian box....andyp said:
Compare Pedersen with Tuens. The latter sat on once the lead group had formed after the final ascent of the Kemmelberg, but was too far back when the split happened and didn't have the legs to get across. Instant karma, but a tactical error in not being alert to how the race was unfolding.rick_chasey said:
Yeah agreed.No_Ta_Doctor said:DK TV (Brian Holm i think) pointed out the chasers backed off a bit just before the last Kemmelberg so they could surge up to the lead group there while dropping some hangers-on. Then Mads actually blocked WVA as they neared the top. Smart riding. Neutralised their biggest asset (raw power) at the moment they could use it best. I think he'd struggle to stay with them if they went toe to toe from the bottom, but I reckon almost everyone would.
Of course, if MvdP and WvA got away together then they probably would have dicked around and got caught anyway, and if only one had escaped then same.
Mads did not stick his nose in the wind for the entire final sequence of moves till he went with the winning break too, let's not forget.0 -
I've never watched Schelderprijs but will have it on in the background for a bit today. Not that I'll get much chance to watch as work is mental at the moment.0
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Cav down to ride.0
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Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.0
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Ned's a bit behind there.gweeds said:
This was announced when the Netherlands put the kibosh on the BinkyBank and Amstel Gold.
Besides, it's impossible to make the race more boring than it is already.
Though the casualty list at the end might make Covid seem like an inconvenience."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
So a kermesse basically?0
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Nee, Ik wens... 😥rick_chasey said:
you in NL still?ddraver said:Whole of Belgium now closed for non-residential travel.
Insert gag here about De Ronde being essential...
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Edit - NL also going further into Lockdown...for the first time tho...
Anyone seen an idea of when this will finish? Would rather not make the same mistake I did with G-W 🙄We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Is it even on Eurosport?0
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TheBigBean said:
Is it even on Eurosport?
At 3.30. The race is scheduled to finish around 5pm so that's around 85 minutes more coverage than we need.Twitter: @RichN950 -
It's live, if that's the right word on the player GCN.
Currently there are 73kms to go, so make that just before 4-30pm.
Locked down with the Schledeprijs and Kirby commentating.
Somebody pass me a dull knife.
Cav already and expert in getting in the break. Second one in three days."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Feels like a bit on acceptance that he hasn't got the sprint anymore then as you would think we wouldn't see him until the final 300m in a race like this.blazing_saddles said:It's live, if that's the right word on the player GCN.
Currently there are 73kms to go, so make that just before 4-30pm.
Locked down with the Schledeprijs and Kirby commentating.
Somebody pass me a dull knife.
Cav already and expert in getting in the break. Second one in three days.0 -
Carlton currently discussing a Cavendish interview that got played to him (useful couple of minutes of silence, tbf) but not to the audience.0
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Horrible looking crash there. I've never seen riders stop to help in a finish line crash before, the rider who went down looked in a right state, hope he's OK. Somehow only seemed to get hit by the Bahrain rider once he hit the deck. DQS made a complete shambles of the lead out again.0
