Exam Grades

veronese68

Stevo_666 said:

veronese68 said:

To show what slackers the teaching profession are my daughter has just received her new results, fancy working beyond 10 at night in the holiday season.
Thankfully in her case both sets of results have been more than good enough, I still think it's a farce of course.

If those new grades are the ones that go on the certificate, worth having for pride if nothing else. That's what we're doing as it gets her one grade higher in a subject, although like you doesn't affect the end result as she has the offer confirmed from her first choice.

More importantly she has one more star than her brother
Agree with the comment above that they should have released grades earlier this year as the current situation seemed pretty likely.

surrey_commuter

veronese68 said:

Stevo_666 said:

veronese68 said:

To show what slackers the teaching profession are my daughter has just received her new results, fancy working beyond 10 at night in the holiday season.
Thankfully in her case both sets of results have been more than good enough, I still think it's a farce of course.

If those new grades are the ones that go on the certificate, worth having for pride if nothing else. That's what we're doing as it gets her one grade higher in a subject, although like you doesn't affect the end result as she has the offer confirmed from her first choice.

More importantly she has one more star than her brother
Agree with the comment above that they should have released grades earlier this year as the current situation seemed pretty likely.

could also have spent a month asking the biggest optimists to modify or justify their forecasts

tailwindhome

Despair in our house as it sinks in with middle son that his GCSE Maths and English scores will be determined by his teacher's opinion of him.

Stevo_666

veronese68 said:

Stevo_666 said:

veronese68 said:

To show what slackers the teaching profession are my daughter has just received her new results, fancy working beyond 10 at night in the holiday season.
Thankfully in her case both sets of results have been more than good enough, I still think it's a farce of course.

If those new grades are the ones that go on the certificate, worth having for pride if nothing else. That's what we're doing as it gets her one grade higher in a subject, although like you doesn't affect the end result as she has the offer confirmed from her first choice.

More importantly she has one more star than her brother
Agree with the comment above that they should have released grades earlier this year as the current situation seemed pretty likely.

I'm sure he'll be dead chuffed for his little sister

First.Aspect

veronese68 said:

Stevo_666 said:

veronese68 said:

To show what slackers the teaching profession are my daughter has just received her new results, fancy working beyond 10 at night in the holiday season.
Thankfully in her case both sets of results have been more than good enough, I still think it's a farce of course.

If those new grades are the ones that go on the certificate, worth having for pride if nothing else. That's what we're doing as it gets her one grade higher in a subject, although like you doesn't affect the end result as she has the offer confirmed from her first choice.

More importantly she has one more star than her brother
Agree with the comment above that they should have released grades earlier this year as the current situation seemed pretty likely.

There will be an asterisk against every grade from 2020, I'm afraid.

tailwindhome

First.Aspect said:

veronese68 said:

Stevo_666 said:

veronese68 said:

To show what slackers the teaching profession are my daughter has just received her new results, fancy working beyond 10 at night in the holiday season.
Thankfully in her case both sets of results have been more than good enough, I still think it's a farce of course.

If those new grades are the ones that go on the certificate, worth having for pride if nothing else. That's what we're doing as it gets her one grade higher in a subject, although like you doesn't affect the end result as she has the offer confirmed from her first choice.

More importantly she has one more star than her brother
Agree with the comment above that they should have released grades earlier this year as the current situation seemed pretty likely.

There will be an asterisk against every grade from 2020, I'm afraid.

There's a asterisk against everything from 2020

rick_chasey

First.Aspect said:

veronese68 said:

Stevo_666 said:

veronese68 said:

To show what slackers the teaching profession are my daughter has just received her new results, fancy working beyond 10 at night in the holiday season.
Thankfully in her case both sets of results have been more than good enough, I still think it's a farce of course.

If those new grades are the ones that go on the certificate, worth having for pride if nothing else. That's what we're doing as it gets her one grade higher in a subject, although like you doesn't affect the end result as she has the offer confirmed from her first choice.

More importantly she has one more star than her brother
Agree with the comment above that they should have released grades earlier this year as the current situation seemed pretty likely.

There will be an asterisk against every grade from 2020, I'm afraid.

Who looks at what grade you get at A level anyway beyond universities.

Second you have your first job it drops off the CV.

DeVlaeminck

tailwindhome said:

Despair in our house as it sinks in with middle son that his GCSE Maths and English scores will be determined by his teacher's opinion of him.

This is what's happened with my son at A levels. His fault to an extent as he is a lazy bastard and also shy but that can come across as disinterested but he's repeatedly outperformed predictions over 14 years schooling - by 2 grades per subject with his GCSEs.

I've told him he retakes or finds some other career type training - if he wants to look for a job (as in a career job (he does have a job which he is never late for despite 5am starts) while he does that fine. If he wants to just carry on working in the supermarket and applying for jobs randomly he can move out while he does so.

Not sure I really mean the last bit but i can see him ending up drifting if he doesn't get on some kind of track.

rjsterry

DeVlaeminck said:

tailwindhome said:

Despair in our house as it sinks in with middle son that his GCSE Maths and English scores will be determined by his teacher's opinion of him.

This is what's happened with my son at A levels. His fault to an extent as he is a lazy censored and also shy but that can come across as disinterested but he's repeatedly outperformed predictions over 14 years schooling - by 2 grades per subject with his GCSEs.

I've told him he retakes or finds some other career type training - if he wants to look for a job (as in a career job (he does have a job which he is never late for despite 5am starts) while he does that fine. If he wants to just carry on working in the supermarket and applying for jobs randomly he can move out while he does so.

Not sure I really mean the last bit but i can see him ending up drifting if he doesn't get on some kind of track.

My brother gave every suggestion of laziness at that age, but now has a doctorate. What area interests him?

TheBigBean

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

veronese68 said:

Stevo_666 said:

veronese68 said:

To show what slackers the teaching profession are my daughter has just received her new results, fancy working beyond 10 at night in the holiday season.
Thankfully in her case both sets of results have been more than good enough, I still think it's a farce of course.

If those new grades are the ones that go on the certificate, worth having for pride if nothing else. That's what we're doing as it gets her one grade higher in a subject, although like you doesn't affect the end result as she has the offer confirmed from her first choice.

More importantly she has one more star than her brother
Agree with the comment above that they should have released grades earlier this year as the current situation seemed pretty likely.

There will be an asterisk against every grade from 2020, I'm afraid.

Who looks at what grade you get at A level anyway beyond universities.

Second you have your first job it drops off the CV.

People look at A-Levels for the first job. You have essentially said that, but that is a pretty significant group of people.

TheBigBean

DeVlaeminck said:

tailwindhome said:

Despair in our house as it sinks in with middle son that his GCSE Maths and English scores will be determined by his teacher's opinion of him.

This is what's happened with my son at A levels. His fault to an extent as he is a lazy censored and also shy but that can come across as disinterested but he's repeatedly outperformed predictions over 14 years schooling - by 2 grades per subject with his GCSEs.

I've told him he retakes or finds some other career type training - if he wants to look for a job (as in a career job (he does have a job which he is never late for despite 5am starts) while he does that fine. If he wants to just carry on working in the supermarket and applying for jobs randomly he can move out while he does so.

Not sure I really mean the last bit but i can see him ending up drifting if he doesn't get on some kind of track.

Bit harsh that.

kingstongraham

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

veronese68 said:

Stevo_666 said:

veronese68 said:

To show what slackers the teaching profession are my daughter has just received her new results, fancy working beyond 10 at night in the holiday season.
Thankfully in her case both sets of results have been more than good enough, I still think it's a farce of course.

If those new grades are the ones that go on the certificate, worth having for pride if nothing else. That's what we're doing as it gets her one grade higher in a subject, although like you doesn't affect the end result as she has the offer confirmed from her first choice.

More importantly she has one more star than her brother
Agree with the comment above that they should have released grades earlier this year as the current situation seemed pretty likely.

There will be an asterisk against every grade from 2020, I'm afraid.

Who looks at what grade you get at A level anyway beyond universities.

Second you have your first job it drops off the CV.

People look at A-Levels for the first job. You have essentially said that, but that is a pretty significant group of people.

Everyone will know this year was a sh!tshow.

kingstongraham

And bringing the "resit to claim your grade" discussion over here. Results day for the autumn A-levels is December 17th.

TheBigBean

kingstongraham said:

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

veronese68 said:

Stevo_666 said:

veronese68 said:

To show what slackers the teaching profession are my daughter has just received her new results, fancy working beyond 10 at night in the holiday season.
Thankfully in her case both sets of results have been more than good enough, I still think it's a farce of course.

If those new grades are the ones that go on the certificate, worth having for pride if nothing else. That's what we're doing as it gets her one grade higher in a subject, although like you doesn't affect the end result as she has the offer confirmed from her first choice.

More importantly she has one more star than her brother
Agree with the comment above that they should have released grades earlier this year as the current situation seemed pretty likely.

There will be an asterisk against every grade from 2020, I'm afraid.

Who looks at what grade you get at A level anyway beyond universities.

Second you have your first job it drops off the CV.

People look at A-Levels for the first job. You have essentially said that, but that is a pretty significant group of people.

Everyone will know this year was a sh!tshow.

Yes, a year where everyone got an A, "so, why did you get a B, oh you say your teacher didn't rate you very highly"

rjsterry

Am I odd in thinking that a B is still a decent grade if you are applying for a job as a sixth former? And even at that level, exam results are still only part of the assessment. Knowing that grades may be compromised this year, would not employers be forced to look elsewhere for evidence of suitability. If you are employing straight out of sixth form it's a given that their experience is unlikely to be extensive, so you are back to having to interview people properly.

xbnm

The whole problem with this is a lack of quality control on the data provided by the teachers trying to fixed the finished product with potential so many unkown errors in the intial data is crazy.

Teacher if your grades for pupils are greater on average than any of the last 3 years please provide an explanation.

Head if your grades for pupils are greater on average than any of the last 3 years please provide an explanation.

Qualificatin body if any grades are +/- the average (on a school, or school subject) of the last three years check reasons and ask teachers to regrade if necessary.

Sorted with minimal extra resources and no need for a fancy alograthim other than to pick the cases that need checking.

surrey_commuter

xbnm said:

The whole problem with this is a lack of quality control on the data provided by the teachers trying to fixed the finished product with potential so many unkown errors in the intial data is crazy.

Teacher if your grades for pupils are greater on average than any of the last 3 years please provide an explanation.

Head if your grades for pupils are greater on average than any of the last 3 years please provide an explanation.

Qualificatin body if any grades are +/- the average (on a school, or school subject) of the last three years check reasons and ask teachers to regrade if necessary.

Sorted with minimal extra resources and no need for a fancy alograthim other than to pick the cases that need checking.

This falls into the category of it seems too obvious and we must be missing something obvious.

First.Aspect

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

veronese68 said:

Stevo_666 said:

veronese68 said:

To show what slackers the teaching profession are my daughter has just received her new results, fancy working beyond 10 at night in the holiday season.
Thankfully in her case both sets of results have been more than good enough, I still think it's a farce of course.

If those new grades are the ones that go on the certificate, worth having for pride if nothing else. That's what we're doing as it gets her one grade higher in a subject, although like you doesn't affect the end result as she has the offer confirmed from her first choice.

More importantly she has one more star than her brother
Agree with the comment above that they should have released grades earlier this year as the current situation seemed pretty likely.

There will be an asterisk against every grade from 2020, I'm afraid.

Who looks at what grade you get at A level anyway beyond universities.

Second you have your first job it drops off the CV.

People look at A-Levels for the first job. You have essentially said that, but that is a pretty significant group of people.

Yes we would certainly look for new entrants and early stage trainees. Much beyond that and it starts to become less important. I'm sure that the university you actually get in to also matters quite widely in the graduate job market as well.

ugo.santalucia

Spent an extra day on the clearing hotline today, courtesy of the Government... basically telling everybody at the phone the same thing...

It now seems to have gone quiet again... hopefully no more dramas.

Student numbers for my department are now a complete question mark... yesterday at 12 PM we had 150 confirmed + 100 undecided, now it could be anything... it could be 50, it could be 250, who knows...

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

veronese68 said:

Stevo_666 said:

veronese68 said:

To show what slackers the teaching profession are my daughter has just received her new results, fancy working beyond 10 at night in the holiday season.
Thankfully in her case both sets of results have been more than good enough, I still think it's a farce of course.

If those new grades are the ones that go on the certificate, worth having for pride if nothing else. That's what we're doing as it gets her one grade higher in a subject, although like you doesn't affect the end result as she has the offer confirmed from her first choice.

More importantly she has one more star than her brother
Agree with the comment above that they should have released grades earlier this year as the current situation seemed pretty likely.

There will be an asterisk against every grade from 2020, I'm afraid.

Who looks at what grade you get at A level anyway beyond universities.

Second you have your first job it drops off the CV.

I agree with that. Each step (GCSE/A-Level/degree) kind of drops away after it has fulfilled its function of getting you to the next level up.

TheBigBean

rjsterry said:

Am I odd in thinking that a B is still a decent grade if you are applying for a job as a sixth former? And even at that level, exam results are still only part of the assessment. Knowing that grades may be compromised this year, would not employers be forced to look elsewhere for evidence of suitability. If you are employing straight out of sixth form it's a given that their experience is unlikely to be extensive, so you are back to having to interview people properly.

In the same way as universities look at actual GCSE results, graduate recruiters look at actual A-Levels. Sure the forecast degree carries a lot of weight, but anyone can tick the first box, and even if the job offer is conditional, it's a lot of wasted time and money for the recruiter to have offered a job to an overconfident bluffer. Well, that assumes it's not a City finance job.

Things are clearly a bit different in your field as discussed before.

johngti

ugo.santalucia said:

Spent an extra day on the clearing hotline today, courtesy of the Government... basically telling everybody at the phone the same thing...

It now seems to have gone quiet again... hopefully no more dramas.

Student numbers for my department are now a complete question mark... yesterday at 12 PM we had 150 confirmed + 100 undecided, now it could be anything... it could be 50, it could be 250, who knows...

More likely 250 given Warwick’s reputation!

DeVlaeminck

TheBigBean said:

DeVlaeminck said:

tailwindhome said:

Despair in our house as it sinks in with middle son that his GCSE Maths and English scores will be determined by his teacher's opinion of him.

This is what's happened with my son at A levels. His fault to an extent as he is a lazy censored and also shy but that can come across as disinterested but he's repeatedly outperformed predictions over 14 years schooling - by 2 grades per subject with his GCSEs.

I've told him he retakes or finds some other career type training - if he wants to look for a job (as in a career job (he does have a job which he is never late for despite 5am starts) while he does that fine. If he wants to just carry on working in the supermarket and applying for jobs randomly he can move out while he does so.

Not sure I really mean the last bit but i can see him ending up drifting if he doesn't get on some kind of track.

Bit harsh that.

Yes it is and I probably don't mean it but it's just for every parents evening since forever we've had teachers telling us his effort and presentation is letting him down. His sister comes to him for advice on Chemistry and says to me she doesn't know how he understands it yet she comes out with an A and he has a C (though not sure what his predicted are yet so may go up).

What is he into - going to football matches, cars, getting pissed with his mates, working so he can afford Lacoste tops and foreign jaunts with like minded lads! To be fair they seem to organise these activities themselves pretty well.

In terms of school he seems best at maths and chemistry, he says he struggled with physics . He will tell you he would like to be an electrician - I can see the attraction of the idea - not sure the reality is always as good but in any case these things are competitive in their own way and he doesn't seem to have done anything to get into it other than bang off a couple of applications .

I suppose he's not unlike a lot of young lads.

First.Aspect

ugo.santalucia said:

Spent an extra day on the clearing hotline today, courtesy of the Government... basically telling everybody at the phone the same thing...

It now seems to have gone quiet again... hopefully no more dramas.

Student numbers for my department are now a complete question mark... yesterday at 12 PM we had 150 confirmed + 100 undecided, now it could be anything... it could be 50, it could be 250, who knows...

Do you know what the absolute capacity is for the course? (Don't say if it could cause you issues, btw).

ugo.santalucia

First.Aspect said:

ugo.santalucia said:

Spent an extra day on the clearing hotline today, courtesy of the Government... basically telling everybody at the phone the same thing...

It now seems to have gone quiet again... hopefully no more dramas.

Student numbers for my department are now a complete question mark... yesterday at 12 PM we had 150 confirmed + 100 undecided, now it could be anything... it could be 50, it could be 250, who knows...

Do you know what the absolute capacity is for the course? (Don't say if it could cause you issues, btw).

There is no upper limit. There was a target to reach 165. It would be a laugh if we got 200, after months of gloom and a generous offer for voluntary redundancies...

tailwindhome

Child 1 has had her AS levels upgraded from AAB to AAA, which is great news.

Opens the door for a potential offer for her desired Uni course..... Just needs to deliver the 3 As at Alevel

rjsterry

tailwindhome said:

Child 1 has had her AS levels upgraded from AAB to AAA, which is great news.

Opens the door for a potential offer for her desired Uni course..... Just needs to deliver the 3 As at Alevel

Excellent news.

TheBigBean

DeVlaeminck said:

TheBigBean said:

DeVlaeminck said:

tailwindhome said:

Despair in our house as it sinks in with middle son that his GCSE Maths and English scores will be determined by his teacher's opinion of him.

This is what's happened with my son at A levels. His fault to an extent as he is a lazy censored and also shy but that can come across as disinterested but he's repeatedly outperformed predictions over 14 years schooling - by 2 grades per subject with his GCSEs.

I've told him he retakes or finds some other career type training - if he wants to look for a job (as in a career job (he does have a job which he is never late for despite 5am starts) while he does that fine. If he wants to just carry on working in the supermarket and applying for jobs randomly he can move out while he does so.

Not sure I really mean the last bit but i can see him ending up drifting if he doesn't get on some kind of track.

Bit harsh that.

Yes it is and I probably don't mean it but it's just for every parents evening since forever we've had teachers telling us his effort and presentation is letting him down. His sister comes to him for advice on Chemistry and says to me she doesn't know how he understands it yet she comes out with an A and he has a C (though not sure what his predicted are yet so may go up).

What is he into - going to football matches, cars, getting pissed with his mates, working so he can afford Lacoste tops and foreign jaunts with like minded lads! To be fair they seem to organise these activities themselves pretty well.

In terms of school he seems best at maths and chemistry, he says he struggled with physics . He will tell you he would like to be an electrician - I can see the attraction of the idea - not sure the reality is always as good but in any case these things are competitive in their own way and he doesn't seem to have done anything to get into it other than bang off a couple of applications .

I suppose he's not unlike a lot of young lads.

He's 18 finding his way in the world. We all made mistakes at that age. And it's really hard to know what you want to do with life when you've hardly experienced it.

Electrician sounds like a good option. Guy who sits next to me at the football quit teaching to become an electrician and is very happy to have done so.

Also, sending off CVs is a demoralising experienced. We've all been there and the only solution is to keep going, but it is demoralising nonetheless.

First.Aspect

ugo.santalucia said:

First.Aspect said:

ugo.santalucia said:

Spent an extra day on the clearing hotline today, courtesy of the Government... basically telling everybody at the phone the same thing...

It now seems to have gone quiet again... hopefully no more dramas.

Student numbers for my department are now a complete question mark... yesterday at 12 PM we had 150 confirmed + 100 undecided, now it could be anything... it could be 50, it could be 250, who knows...

Do you know what the absolute capacity is for the course? (Don't say if it could cause you issues, btw).

There is no upper limit. There was a target to reach 165. It would be a laugh if we got 200, after months of gloom and a generous offer for voluntary redundancies...

I guess they just haven't contemplated an upper limit. There has to be a pinch point somewhere. And that somewhere has to be practical labs.

It's a good problem to have though. My bro is in the academic sector on the support side and has the same sword dangling over his neck.

DeVlaeminck

TheBigBean said:

DeVlaeminck said:

TheBigBean said:

DeVlaeminck said:

tailwindhome said:

Despair in our house as it sinks in with middle son that his GCSE Maths and English scores will be determined by his teacher's opinion of him.

This is what's happened with my son at A levels. His fault to an extent as he is a lazy censored and also shy but that can come across as disinterested but he's repeatedly outperformed predictions over 14 years schooling - by 2 grades per subject with his GCSEs.

I've told him he retakes or finds some other career type training - if he wants to look for a job (as in a career job (he does have a job which he is never late for despite 5am starts) while he does that fine. If he wants to just carry on working in the supermarket and applying for jobs randomly he can move out while he does so.

Not sure I really mean the last bit but i can see him ending up drifting if he doesn't get on some kind of track.

Bit harsh that.

Yes it is and I probably don't mean it but it's just for every parents evening since forever we've had teachers telling us his effort and presentation is letting him down. His sister comes to him for advice on Chemistry and says to me she doesn't know how he understands it yet she comes out with an A and he has a C (though not sure what his predicted are yet so may go up).

What is he into - going to football matches, cars, getting pissed with his mates, working so he can afford Lacoste tops and foreign jaunts with like minded lads! To be fair they seem to organise these activities themselves pretty well.

In terms of school he seems best at maths and chemistry, he says he struggled with physics . He will tell you he would like to be an electrician - I can see the attraction of the idea - not sure the reality is always as good but in any case these things are competitive in their own way and he doesn't seem to have done anything to get into it other than bang off a couple of applications .

I suppose he's not unlike a lot of young lads.

He's 18 finding his way in the world. We all made mistakes at that age. And it's really hard to know what you want to do with life when you've hardly experienced it.

Electrician sounds like a good option. Guy who sits next to me at the football quit teaching to become an electrician and is very happy to have done so.

Also, sending off CVs is a demoralising experienced. We've all been there and the only solution is to keep going, but it is demoralising nonetheless.

Yes I'm not actually going to kick him out - Ive suggested retaking his A levels but if he can get an apprenticeship or enroll on some training which leads to a trade like electrician I'm happy to support him in that even though I don't have a clue how you qualify for them.

Just want to see him being proactive in whatever he is aiming for.