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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,025
    secretsam said:

    European holidays are overrated.

    My workings:
    - relatively short holiday season
    - expensive
    - busy at all times of the year, but especially during the holiday season
    - available airlines are almost always budget carriers, and can frequently not be that cheap
    - there is a presumption of car ownership for a lot of things

    For starters, the UK is part of Europe, maybe you meant 'continental'? And the same could be said of all holiday destinations.

    European holidays are overrated.

    My workings:
    - relatively short holiday season
    - expensive
    - busy at all times of the year, but especially during the holiday season
    - available airlines are almost always budget carriers, and can frequently not be that cheap
    - there is a presumption of car ownership for a lot of things

    Downsides are:
    - don't experience a different culture - with all that comes with that, different food, different priorities, different language, different weather, different religion, different style of cultural attractions, blah blah blah
    - too many of your own country folk (after all, the point of going abroad is to get away from your own country folk - which is why bumping into them on holiday is so awful)
    The UK is in Europe and fully covered by my opinion.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    secretsam said:

    Harry182 said:

    Ha! Came here to post that tan sidewalls are ugly, impractical, pseudo retro chic. Seems opinion is not as unpopular as I'd assumed.

    Tan walls are gross. I have a black bike, I want black tyres.
    You need to have the right colour frame for Tan Walls....Gerraint does not.

    (with you all the way on Gold Chains, though I doubt that's unpopular...)
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited July 2020
    oxoman said:

    People who hate bad punctuation are so full of themselves. If anybody or anything is to blame then look no further than Spell checker or auto fill on everything from PC,s to phone's. Beats being thrashed by my old English teacher, she was a stickler for correct punctuation and grammar.

    The panda enters a bar, eats shoots & leaves, right?
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,269
    The panda entered the bar, couldn't eat because of the facemask so shot the barman and left.
  • mpatts
    mpatts Posts: 1,010
    Zwift is shit

    Campag looks awful

    Instant coffee is better than Cold Brew

    Compression socks look amazing

    Froome looks great on a bike

    Eddy wasn't that good anyway

    Flats are better than clipless

    Tubes are better than tubeless

    Light bikes are slower than heavy bikes

    Canyon are shit

    Cavendish was never that good anyway

    650b flat bar gravel is the future of cycling

    You need at least a 4k bike to commute on
    Insert bike here:
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,592
    oxoman said:

    People who hate bad punctuation are so full of themselves. If anybody or anything is to blame then look no further than Spell checker or auto fill on everything from PC,s to phone's. Beats being thrashed by my old English teacher, she was a stickler for correct punctuation and grammar.

    It doesn't seem to have had an effect! Using a comma instead of an apostrophe has nothing to do with auto-correct / spell checker.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660

    European holidays are overrated.

    My workings:
    - relatively short holiday season
    - expensive
    - busy at all times of the year, but especially during the holiday season
    - available airlines are almost always budget carriers, and can frequently not be that cheap
    - there is a presumption of car ownership for a lot of things

    Downsides are:
    - don't experience a different culture - with all that comes with that, different food, different priorities, different language, different weather, different religion, different style of cultural attractions, blah blah blah
    - too many of your own country folk (after all, the point of going abroad is to get away from your own country folk - which is why bumping into them on holiday is so awful)
    The UK is in Europe and fully covered by my opinion.
    Ah you mean heading outside of the continent?

    How is that cheaper?!
    Flights costs more, but not that much more, and are also comfortable. Everything on arrival is then better value for money, so it depends on how long you go for. I suppose it also depends how many people you are paying for.
    TBH all the places I want to go to out of Europe are no cheaper than in Europe.

    Southern Europe can be really cheap though. I remember a holiday in Greece, was really great - it cost so little I ended up paying off the hotel with the remaining spending money.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,592
    oxoman said:

    Correct, she's turning in her grave right now. My handwriting is no better either, thank god for word processors and printers.

    I generally don't mention spelling and punctuation (or handwriting on the rare occasions I see it these days) as a) there may well be a reason for it that I'm not aware of such as dyslexia and b) you're setting yourself up for a fall as you are bound to make a mistake of your own at some point. There's one person who posts on here quite regularly that seems to sometimes make good points but I just can't follow their posts properly unfortunately. I think the reason the comma for an apostrophe was picked up elsewhere is just because it looks so out of place and really catches the eye.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    Using "of" as a substitute for "have" makes perfect sense.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,808

    European holidays are overrated.

    My workings:
    - relatively short holiday season
    - expensive
    - busy at all times of the year, but especially during the holiday season
    - available airlines are almost always budget carriers, and can frequently not be that cheap
    - there is a presumption of car ownership for a lot of things

    Downsides are:
    - don't experience a different culture - with all that comes with that, different food, different priorities, different language, different weather, different religion, different style of cultural attractions, blah blah blah
    - too many of your own country folk (after all, the point of going abroad is to get away from your own country folk - which is why bumping into them on holiday is so awful)
    The UK is in Europe and fully covered by my opinion.
    Ah you mean heading outside of the continent?

    How is that cheaper?!
    Flights costs more, but not that much more, and are also comfortable. Everything on arrival is then better value for money, so it depends on how long you go for. I suppose it also depends how many people you are paying for.
    Agree - there is a big old world outside of Europe which is well worth a visit.

    There are parallels with the Brexit debate here.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,379
    Mmm, I do legal work so I get to see the consequences of poor written and verbal skills.

    It does not apply to all settings, clearly, but there is a point beyond which grunting and pointing (e.g. me when buying groceries on holiday in Spain) isn't sufficient.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,592
    Stevo_666 said:

    European holidays are overrated.

    My workings:
    - relatively short holiday season
    - expensive
    - busy at all times of the year, but especially during the holiday season
    - available airlines are almost always budget carriers, and can frequently not be that cheap
    - there is a presumption of car ownership for a lot of things

    Downsides are:
    - don't experience a different culture - with all that comes with that, different food, different priorities, different language, different weather, different religion, different style of cultural attractions, blah blah blah
    - too many of your own country folk (after all, the point of going abroad is to get away from your own country folk - which is why bumping into them on holiday is so awful)
    The UK is in Europe and fully covered by my opinion.
    Ah you mean heading outside of the continent?

    How is that cheaper?!
    Flights costs more, but not that much more, and are also comfortable. Everything on arrival is then better value for money, so it depends on how long you go for. I suppose it also depends how many people you are paying for.
    Agree - there is a big old world outside of Europe which is well worth a visit.

    There are parallels with the Brexit debate here.
    The problem is that, once you are having to fly for 10 hours or more, you probably want to stay longer to make it worthwhile and it can be difficult to take more than two weeks off in one go. My wife wants to explore India which will probably have to wait until we retire, we also want to visit Australia as the wife's cousin lives there and has extended an open invitation for us to stay with her and I would love to go to New Zealand.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,025
    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    European holidays are overrated.

    My workings:
    - relatively short holiday season
    - expensive
    - busy at all times of the year, but especially during the holiday season
    - available airlines are almost always budget carriers, and can frequently not be that cheap
    - there is a presumption of car ownership for a lot of things

    Downsides are:
    - don't experience a different culture - with all that comes with that, different food, different priorities, different language, different weather, different religion, different style of cultural attractions, blah blah blah
    - too many of your own country folk (after all, the point of going abroad is to get away from your own country folk - which is why bumping into them on holiday is so awful)
    The UK is in Europe and fully covered by my opinion.
    Ah you mean heading outside of the continent?

    How is that cheaper?!
    Flights costs more, but not that much more, and are also comfortable. Everything on arrival is then better value for money, so it depends on how long you go for. I suppose it also depends how many people you are paying for.
    Agree - there is a big old world outside of Europe which is well worth a visit.

    There are parallels with the Brexit debate here.
    The problem is that, once you are having to fly for 10 hours or more, you probably want to stay longer to make it worthwhile and it can be difficult to take more than two weeks off in one go. My wife wants to explore India which will probably have to wait until we retire, we also want to visit Australia as the wife's cousin lives there and has extended an open invitation for us to stay with her and I would love to go to New Zealand.
    I think you've picked two countries that would be hard to visit with only two weeks. Australia because it is far away and India because it is big, internal transport isn't so great and there is a lot to see. However, if you focus on a small area than it would be fine for India e.g. two weeks in Kerala would be great. I really wouldn't wait for retirement to do that. Flights there are pretty cheap too, and all you have to do is avoid the monsoon season.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,808
    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    European holidays are overrated.

    My workings:
    - relatively short holiday season
    - expensive
    - busy at all times of the year, but especially during the holiday season
    - available airlines are almost always budget carriers, and can frequently not be that cheap
    - there is a presumption of car ownership for a lot of things

    Downsides are:
    - don't experience a different culture - with all that comes with that, different food, different priorities, different language, different weather, different religion, different style of cultural attractions, blah blah blah
    - too many of your own country folk (after all, the point of going abroad is to get away from your own country folk - which is why bumping into them on holiday is so awful)
    The UK is in Europe and fully covered by my opinion.
    Ah you mean heading outside of the continent?

    How is that cheaper?!
    Flights costs more, but not that much more, and are also comfortable. Everything on arrival is then better value for money, so it depends on how long you go for. I suppose it also depends how many people you are paying for.
    Agree - there is a big old world outside of Europe which is well worth a visit.

    There are parallels with the Brexit debate here.
    The problem is that, once you are having to fly for 10 hours or more, you probably want to stay longer to make it worthwhile and it can be difficult to take more than two weeks off in one go. My wife wants to explore India which will probably have to wait until we retire, we also want to visit Australia as the wife's cousin lives there and has extended an open invitation for us to stay with her and I would love to go to New Zealand.
    Ideally, yep but after having done lots of short business trips to those sorts of places it's not compulsory as long as you can live with the jet lag. I also find the travel can be part of the adventure.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,025

    European holidays are overrated.

    My workings:
    - relatively short holiday season
    - expensive
    - busy at all times of the year, but especially during the holiday season
    - available airlines are almost always budget carriers, and can frequently not be that cheap
    - there is a presumption of car ownership for a lot of things

    Downsides are:
    - don't experience a different culture - with all that comes with that, different food, different priorities, different language, different weather, different religion, different style of cultural attractions, blah blah blah
    - too many of your own country folk (after all, the point of going abroad is to get away from your own country folk - which is why bumping into them on holiday is so awful)
    The UK is in Europe and fully covered by my opinion.
    Ah you mean heading outside of the continent?

    How is that cheaper?!
    Flights costs more, but not that much more, and are also comfortable. Everything on arrival is then better value for money, so it depends on how long you go for. I suppose it also depends how many people you are paying for.
    TBH all the places I want to go to out of Europe are no cheaper than in Europe.

    Southern Europe can be really cheap though. I remember a holiday in Greece, was really great - it cost so little I ended up paying off the hotel with the remaining spending money.
    Where is more expensive? Japan? Australia? Parts of the US?
  • Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    European holidays are overrated.

    My workings:
    - relatively short holiday season
    - expensive
    - busy at all times of the year, but especially during the holiday season
    - available airlines are almost always budget carriers, and can frequently not be that cheap
    - there is a presumption of car ownership for a lot of things

    Downsides are:
    - don't experience a different culture - with all that comes with that, different food, different priorities, different language, different weather, different religion, different style of cultural attractions, blah blah blah
    - too many of your own country folk (after all, the point of going abroad is to get away from your own country folk - which is why bumping into them on holiday is so awful)
    The UK is in Europe and fully covered by my opinion.
    Ah you mean heading outside of the continent?

    How is that cheaper?!
    Flights costs more, but not that much more, and are also comfortable. Everything on arrival is then better value for money, so it depends on how long you go for. I suppose it also depends how many people you are paying for.
    Agree - there is a big old world outside of Europe which is well worth a visit.

    There are parallels with the Brexit debate here.
    The problem is that, once you are having to fly for 10 hours or more, you probably want to stay longer to make it worthwhile and it can be difficult to take more than two weeks off in one go. My wife wants to explore India which will probably have to wait until we retire, we also want to visit Australia as the wife's cousin lives there and has extended an open invitation for us to stay with her and I would love to go to New Zealand.
    New Zealand is lovely but you need at least 3 weeks IMO. Off limits until there is a vaccine which could mean your retirement happens first. I suspect the same applies to Australia which is off limits until at least April 2021 as its national carrier has cancelled all international flights until then, except to NZ.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,592
    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    European holidays are overrated.

    My workings:
    - relatively short holiday season
    - expensive
    - busy at all times of the year, but especially during the holiday season
    - available airlines are almost always budget carriers, and can frequently not be that cheap
    - there is a presumption of car ownership for a lot of things

    Downsides are:
    - don't experience a different culture - with all that comes with that, different food, different priorities, different language, different weather, different religion, different style of cultural attractions, blah blah blah
    - too many of your own country folk (after all, the point of going abroad is to get away from your own country folk - which is why bumping into them on holiday is so awful)
    The UK is in Europe and fully covered by my opinion.
    Ah you mean heading outside of the continent?

    How is that cheaper?!
    Flights costs more, but not that much more, and are also comfortable. Everything on arrival is then better value for money, so it depends on how long you go for. I suppose it also depends how many people you are paying for.
    Agree - there is a big old world outside of Europe which is well worth a visit.

    There are parallels with the Brexit debate here.
    The problem is that, once you are having to fly for 10 hours or more, you probably want to stay longer to make it worthwhile and it can be difficult to take more than two weeks off in one go. My wife wants to explore India which will probably have to wait until we retire, we also want to visit Australia as the wife's cousin lives there and has extended an open invitation for us to stay with her and I would love to go to New Zealand.
    Ideally, yep but after having done lots of short business trips to those sorts of places it's not compulsory as long as you can live with the jet lag. I also find the travel can be part of the adventure.
    Being relatively tall I find flying more than a couple of hours horrendous. I think if I ever do Aus or NZ I'll bite the bullet and save up so I can afford premium economy at the very least or preferably business class. Otherwise I'd probably get arrested on arrival for killing the person in front when they drop their seat onto my knees. Maybe airlines will take reduced travel in the wake of Covid to improve legroom on flights even if it means a ticket costs a bit more.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,592

    European holidays are overrated.

    My workings:
    - relatively short holiday season
    - expensive
    - busy at all times of the year, but especially during the holiday season
    - available airlines are almost always budget carriers, and can frequently not be that cheap
    - there is a presumption of car ownership for a lot of things

    Downsides are:
    - don't experience a different culture - with all that comes with that, different food, different priorities, different language, different weather, different religion, different style of cultural attractions, blah blah blah
    - too many of your own country folk (after all, the point of going abroad is to get away from your own country folk - which is why bumping into them on holiday is so awful)
    The UK is in Europe and fully covered by my opinion.
    Ah you mean heading outside of the continent?

    How is that cheaper?!
    Flights costs more, but not that much more, and are also comfortable. Everything on arrival is then better value for money, so it depends on how long you go for. I suppose it also depends how many people you are paying for.
    TBH all the places I want to go to out of Europe are no cheaper than in Europe.

    Southern Europe can be really cheap though. I remember a holiday in Greece, was really great - it cost so little I ended up paying off the hotel with the remaining spending money.
    Where is more expensive? Japan? Australia? Parts of the US?
    There's not many really cheap parts of Europe anymore. The days of 50p for a pint in Spain or Greece are long gone. You get occasional emerging countries such as Bulgaria that are cheaper but the prices go up as they become more popular and they also attract the side of UK tourism sensible people want to avoid. The US isn't cheap anymore as the exchange rate is so bad although you can get lucky still with food I suppose. We're supposed to be off to Florida next summer for our 25th anniversary and daughter's 18th but that's looking iffy at present.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited July 2020

    European holidays are overrated.

    My workings:
    - relatively short holiday season
    - expensive
    - busy at all times of the year, but especially during the holiday season
    - available airlines are almost always budget carriers, and can frequently not be that cheap
    - there is a presumption of car ownership for a lot of things

    Downsides are:
    - don't experience a different culture - with all that comes with that, different food, different priorities, different language, different weather, different religion, different style of cultural attractions, blah blah blah
    - too many of your own country folk (after all, the point of going abroad is to get away from your own country folk - which is why bumping into them on holiday is so awful)
    The UK is in Europe and fully covered by my opinion.
    Ah you mean heading outside of the continent?

    How is that cheaper?!
    Flights costs more, but not that much more, and are also comfortable. Everything on arrival is then better value for money, so it depends on how long you go for. I suppose it also depends how many people you are paying for.
    TBH all the places I want to go to out of Europe are no cheaper than in Europe.

    Southern Europe can be really cheap though. I remember a holiday in Greece, was really great - it cost so little I ended up paying off the hotel with the remaining spending money.
    Where is more expensive? Japan? Australia? Parts of the US?
    Japan mainly. I have a (big) soft spot for NYC but the wife is not interested.

    No interest in Australia.

    I'd like to visit SK too, but again, spenny.

    To be honest, I am also a proper eurohpile, and I just love anything European that wasn't behind the iron curtian, with a few notable exceptions on both sides (Switzerland and East Germany/Berlin on the other).
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,592

    European holidays are overrated.

    My workings:
    - relatively short holiday season
    - expensive
    - busy at all times of the year, but especially during the holiday season
    - available airlines are almost always budget carriers, and can frequently not be that cheap
    - there is a presumption of car ownership for a lot of things

    Downsides are:
    - don't experience a different culture - with all that comes with that, different food, different priorities, different language, different weather, different religion, different style of cultural attractions, blah blah blah
    - too many of your own country folk (after all, the point of going abroad is to get away from your own country folk - which is why bumping into them on holiday is so awful)
    The UK is in Europe and fully covered by my opinion.
    Ah you mean heading outside of the continent?

    How is that cheaper?!
    Flights costs more, but not that much more, and are also comfortable. Everything on arrival is then better value for money, so it depends on how long you go for. I suppose it also depends how many people you are paying for.
    TBH all the places I want to go to out of Europe are no cheaper than in Europe.

    Southern Europe can be really cheap though. I remember a holiday in Greece, was really great - it cost so little I ended up paying off the hotel with the remaining spending money.
    Where is more expensive? Japan? Australia? Parts of the US?
    Japan mainly. I have a (big) soft spot for NYC but the wife is not interested.

    No interest in Australia.

    I'd like to visit SK too, but again, spenny.

    To be honest, I am also a proper eurohpile, and I just love anything European that wasn't behind the iron curtian, with a few notable exceptions on both sides (Switzerland and East Germany/Berlin on the other).
    I love New York too which is strange as I'm really not a city person and that's about as big city as it gets. Will be going back for my next big birthday in a few years and intend doing the marathon whilst out there.

  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,497

    Mmm, I do legal work so I get to see the consequences of poor written and verbal skills.

    It does not apply to all settings, clearly, but there is a point beyond which grunting and pointing (e.g. me when buying groceries on holiday in Spain) isn't sufficient.

    A comma before 'but'!

    I really hope that is clearly because of two independent clauses.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,025
    Pross said:

    European holidays are overrated.

    My workings:
    - relatively short holiday season
    - expensive
    - busy at all times of the year, but especially during the holiday season
    - available airlines are almost always budget carriers, and can frequently not be that cheap
    - there is a presumption of car ownership for a lot of things

    Downsides are:
    - don't experience a different culture - with all that comes with that, different food, different priorities, different language, different weather, different religion, different style of cultural attractions, blah blah blah
    - too many of your own country folk (after all, the point of going abroad is to get away from your own country folk - which is why bumping into them on holiday is so awful)
    The UK is in Europe and fully covered by my opinion.
    Ah you mean heading outside of the continent?

    How is that cheaper?!
    Flights costs more, but not that much more, and are also comfortable. Everything on arrival is then better value for money, so it depends on how long you go for. I suppose it also depends how many people you are paying for.
    TBH all the places I want to go to out of Europe are no cheaper than in Europe.

    Southern Europe can be really cheap though. I remember a holiday in Greece, was really great - it cost so little I ended up paying off the hotel with the remaining spending money.
    Where is more expensive? Japan? Australia? Parts of the US?
    There's not many really cheap parts of Europe anymore. The days of 50p for a pint in Spain or Greece are long gone. You get occasional emerging countries such as Bulgaria that are cheaper but the prices go up as they become more popular and they also attract the side of UK tourism sensible people want to avoid. The US isn't cheap anymore as the exchange rate is so bad although you can get lucky still with food I suppose. We're supposed to be off to Florida next summer for our 25th anniversary and daughter's 18th but that's looking iffy at present.
    This was my point. I'm more interested in why you don't go to India for a holiday.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,025

    European holidays are overrated.

    My workings:
    - relatively short holiday season
    - expensive
    - busy at all times of the year, but especially during the holiday season
    - available airlines are almost always budget carriers, and can frequently not be that cheap
    - there is a presumption of car ownership for a lot of things

    Downsides are:
    - don't experience a different culture - with all that comes with that, different food, different priorities, different language, different weather, different religion, different style of cultural attractions, blah blah blah
    - too many of your own country folk (after all, the point of going abroad is to get away from your own country folk - which is why bumping into them on holiday is so awful)
    The UK is in Europe and fully covered by my opinion.
    Ah you mean heading outside of the continent?

    How is that cheaper?!
    Flights costs more, but not that much more, and are also comfortable. Everything on arrival is then better value for money, so it depends on how long you go for. I suppose it also depends how many people you are paying for.
    TBH all the places I want to go to out of Europe are no cheaper than in Europe.

    Southern Europe can be really cheap though. I remember a holiday in Greece, was really great - it cost so little I ended up paying off the hotel with the remaining spending money.
    Where is more expensive? Japan? Australia? Parts of the US?
    Japan mainly. I have a (big) soft spot for NYC but the wife is not interested.

    No interest in Australia.

    I'd like to visit SK too, but again, spenny.

    To be honest, I am also a proper eurohpile, and I just love anything European that wasn't behind the iron curtian, with a few notable exceptions on both sides (Switzerland and East Germany/Berlin on the other).
    Korea is cheaper than the UK, three airlines fly direct and two of them are quite nice (not BA)
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660

    European holidays are overrated.

    My workings:
    - relatively short holiday season
    - expensive
    - busy at all times of the year, but especially during the holiday season
    - available airlines are almost always budget carriers, and can frequently not be that cheap
    - there is a presumption of car ownership for a lot of things

    Downsides are:
    - don't experience a different culture - with all that comes with that, different food, different priorities, different language, different weather, different religion, different style of cultural attractions, blah blah blah
    - too many of your own country folk (after all, the point of going abroad is to get away from your own country folk - which is why bumping into them on holiday is so awful)
    The UK is in Europe and fully covered by my opinion.
    Ah you mean heading outside of the continent?

    How is that cheaper?!
    Flights costs more, but not that much more, and are also comfortable. Everything on arrival is then better value for money, so it depends on how long you go for. I suppose it also depends how many people you are paying for.
    TBH all the places I want to go to out of Europe are no cheaper than in Europe.

    Southern Europe can be really cheap though. I remember a holiday in Greece, was really great - it cost so little I ended up paying off the hotel with the remaining spending money.
    Where is more expensive? Japan? Australia? Parts of the US?
    Japan mainly. I have a (big) soft spot for NYC but the wife is not interested.

    No interest in Australia.

    I'd like to visit SK too, but again, spenny.

    To be honest, I am also a proper eurohpile, and I just love anything European that wasn't behind the iron curtian, with a few notable exceptions on both sides (Switzerland and East Germany/Berlin on the other).
    Korea is cheaper than the UK, three airlines fly direct and two of them are quite nice (not BA)
    Not if you factor in travel costs too.

    Plus, for boring reasons have access to Euros so don't have to spend anything on FX.
  • capt_slog
    capt_slog Posts: 3,974

    Using "of" as a substitute for "have" makes perfect sense.

    How?

    "Should've" shows that something might have been better.
    "could've" is something that might have happened.
    Could/should of the the language of a 'uckwit


    The older I get, the better I was.

  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,592

    Pross said:

    European holidays are overrated.

    My workings:
    - relatively short holiday season
    - expensive
    - busy at all times of the year, but especially during the holiday season
    - available airlines are almost always budget carriers, and can frequently not be that cheap
    - there is a presumption of car ownership for a lot of things

    Downsides are:
    - don't experience a different culture - with all that comes with that, different food, different priorities, different language, different weather, different religion, different style of cultural attractions, blah blah blah
    - too many of your own country folk (after all, the point of going abroad is to get away from your own country folk - which is why bumping into them on holiday is so awful)
    The UK is in Europe and fully covered by my opinion.
    Ah you mean heading outside of the continent?

    How is that cheaper?!
    Flights costs more, but not that much more, and are also comfortable. Everything on arrival is then better value for money, so it depends on how long you go for. I suppose it also depends how many people you are paying for.
    TBH all the places I want to go to out of Europe are no cheaper than in Europe.

    Southern Europe can be really cheap though. I remember a holiday in Greece, was really great - it cost so little I ended up paying off the hotel with the remaining spending money.
    Where is more expensive? Japan? Australia? Parts of the US?
    There's not many really cheap parts of Europe anymore. The days of 50p for a pint in Spain or Greece are long gone. You get occasional emerging countries such as Bulgaria that are cheaper but the prices go up as they become more popular and they also attract the side of UK tourism sensible people want to avoid. The US isn't cheap anymore as the exchange rate is so bad although you can get lucky still with food I suppose. We're supposed to be off to Florida next summer for our 25th anniversary and daughter's 18th but that's looking iffy at present.
    This was my point. I'm more interested in why you don't go to India for a holiday.
    We may do in the next few years. Foreign holidays have been few and far between over the last decade and restricted to mainly camping in France with finances tight due to the financial crisis and then our eldest in University together with having a static caravan in the UK for years. This year should have been Italy, we'd intended going the past couple of years but hadn't booked in time and now we've cancelled. Next year will be Florida and we'll possibly look to get to Italy the year after along with an extended trip to NYC for significant birthdays. After that India might be on the horizon, ideally I'd like to get 3 weeks off work for that and be in a position to upgrade our flights!
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    capt_slog said:

    Using "of" as a substitute for "have" makes perfect sense.

    How?

    "Should've" shows that something might have been better.
    "could've" is something that might have happened.
    Could/should of the the language of a 'uckwit
    I am struggling a bit with the translation of line 3, but could be that we agree.
    We are coming up with unpopular opinions in this thread.
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  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    pinno said:

    You could use the same liability laws like you do in the Netherlands - in a car v bicycle accident, the car is assumed to be at fault unless it can be proved otherwise.

    Guilty until proven innocent? Don't like that system at all.
    You would have to alter the law. That would have implications for other laws.
    Far simpler to impose mandatory insurance.

    Buy a dashcam fornyour car and there is nothong to fear from this typenof law as a motorist. Funny that a lot of motorists would like to keep play tilted to their advantage.
  • capt_slog
    capt_slog Posts: 3,974

    capt_slog said:

    Using "of" as a substitute for "have" makes perfect sense.

    How?

    "Should've" shows that something might have been better.
    "could've" is something that might have happened.
    Could/should of the the language of a 'uckwit
    I am struggling a bit with the translation of line 3, but could be that we agree.
    We are coming up with unpopular opinions in this thread.
    Ah, it could be, depends how you see the thread.

    I understood the premise of the thread to be "opinions that you hold which are unpopular with everyone else. Rather than "an opinion which is unpopular with you"


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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,497
    john80 said:

    pinno said:

    You could use the same liability laws like you do in the Netherlands - in a car v bicycle accident, the car is assumed to be at fault unless it can be proved otherwise.

    Guilty until proven innocent? Don't like that system at all.
    You would have to alter the law. That would have implications for other laws.
    Far simpler to impose mandatory insurance.

    Buy a dashcam fornyour car and there is nothong to fear from this typenof law as a motorist. Funny that a lot of motorists would like to keep play tilted to their advantage.
    Many convictions of drivers have occurred because of cyclists wearing cameras.
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