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'How' ?capt_slog said:
How?blazing_saddles said:Using "of" as a substitute for "have" makes perfect sense.
"Should've" shows that something might have been better.
"could've" is something that might have happened.
Could/should of the the language of a 'uckwit
Shouldn't that be 'why'?
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How much spending money do you need that FX rates is a major consideration for a holiday?rick_chasey said:
Not if you factor in travel costs too.TheBigBean said:
Korea is cheaper than the UK, three airlines fly direct and two of them are quite nice (not BA)rick_chasey said:
Japan mainly. I have a (big) soft spot for NYC but the wife is not interested.TheBigBean said:
Where is more expensive? Japan? Australia? Parts of the US?rick_chasey said:
TBH all the places I want to go to out of Europe are no cheaper than in Europe.TheBigBean said:
Flights costs more, but not that much more, and are also comfortable. Everything on arrival is then better value for money, so it depends on how long you go for. I suppose it also depends how many people you are paying for.rick_chasey said:
Ah you mean heading outside of the continent?TheBigBean said:
The UK is in Europe and fully covered by my opinion.rick_chasey said:
Downsides are:TheBigBean said:European holidays are overrated.
My workings:
- relatively short holiday season
- expensive
- busy at all times of the year, but especially during the holiday season
- available airlines are almost always budget carriers, and can frequently not be that cheap
- there is a presumption of car ownership for a lot of things
- don't experience a different culture - with all that comes with that, different food, different priorities, different language, different weather, different religion, different style of cultural attractions, blah blah blah
- too many of your own country folk (after all, the point of going abroad is to get away from your own country folk - which is why bumping into them on holiday is so awful)
How is that cheaper?!
Southern Europe can be really cheap though. I remember a holiday in Greece, was really great - it cost so little I ended up paying off the hotel with the remaining spending money.
No interest in Australia.
I'd like to visit SK too, but again, spenny.
To be honest, I am also a proper eurohpile, and I just love anything European that wasn't behind the iron curtian, with a few notable exceptions on both sides (Switzerland and East Germany/Berlin on the other).
Plus, for boring reasons have access to Euros so don't have to spend anything on FX.0 -
morstar said:
How much spending money do you need that FX rates is a major consideration for a holiday?rick_chasey said:
Not if you factor in travel costs too.TheBigBean said:
Korea is cheaper than the UK, three airlines fly direct and two of them are quite nice (not BA)rick_chasey said:
Japan mainly. I have a (big) soft spot for NYC but the wife is not interested.TheBigBean said:
Where is more expensive? Japan? Australia? Parts of the US?rick_chasey said:
TBH all the places I want to go to out of Europe are no cheaper than in Europe.TheBigBean said:
Flights costs more, but not that much more, and are also comfortable. Everything on arrival is then better value for money, so it depends on how long you go for. I suppose it also depends how many people you are paying for.rick_chasey said:
Ah you mean heading outside of the continent?TheBigBean said:
The UK is in Europe and fully covered by my opinion.rick_chasey said:
Downsides are:TheBigBean said:European holidays are overrated.
My workings:
- relatively short holiday season
- expensive
- busy at all times of the year, but especially during the holiday season
- available airlines are almost always budget carriers, and can frequently not be that cheap
- there is a presumption of car ownership for a lot of things
- don't experience a different culture - with all that comes with that, different food, different priorities, different language, different weather, different religion, different style of cultural attractions, blah blah blah
- too many of your own country folk (after all, the point of going abroad is to get away from your own country folk - which is why bumping into them on holiday is so awful)
How is that cheaper?!
Southern Europe can be really cheap though. I remember a holiday in Greece, was really great - it cost so little I ended up paying off the hotel with the remaining spending money.
No interest in Australia.
I'd like to visit SK too, but again, spenny.
To be honest, I am also a proper eurohpile, and I just love anything European that wasn't behind the iron curtian, with a few notable exceptions on both sides (Switzerland and East Germany/Berlin on the other).
Plus, for boring reasons have access to Euros so don't have to spend anything on FX.
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Their are clearly too independent clauses that brake that sentence up.pinno said:
A comma before 'but'!First.Aspect said:Mmm, I do legal work so I get to see the consequences of poor written and verbal skills.
It does not apply to all settings, clearly, but there is a point beyond which grunting and pointing (e.g. me when buying groceries on holiday in Spain) isn't sufficient.
I really hope that is clearly because of two independent clauses.0 -
You're 'avin a larf.First.Aspect said:
Their are clearly too independent clauses that brake that sentence up.
seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
That is quite funny in the context of a debate about grammar pedantry. 🤣First.Aspect said:
Their are clearly too independent clauses that brake that sentence up.pinno said:
A comma before 'but'!First.Aspect said:Mmm, I do legal work so I get to see the consequences of poor written and verbal skills.
It does not apply to all settings, clearly, but there is a point beyond which grunting and pointing (e.g. me when buying groceries on holiday in Spain) isn't sufficient.
I really hope that is clearly because of two independent clauses.
Hopefully intentional? Equally hope I didn't miss any.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I'm pretty sure it was deliberate.pblakeney said:
That is quite funny in the context of a debate about grammar pedantry. 🤣First.Aspect said:
Their are clearly too independent clauses that brake that sentence up.pinno said:
A comma before 'but'!First.Aspect said:Mmm, I do legal work so I get to see the consequences of poor written and verbal skills.
It does not apply to all settings, clearly, but there is a point beyond which grunting and pointing (e.g. me when buying groceries on holiday in Spain) isn't sufficient.
I really hope that is clearly because of two independent clauses.
Hopefully intentional?0 -
I know, but you never know...The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
pinno said:
A comma before 'but'!First.Aspect said:Mmm, I do legal work so I get to see the consequences of poor written and verbal skills.
It does not apply to all settings, clearly, but there is a point beyond which grunting and pointing (e.g. me when buying groceries on holiday in Spain) isn't sufficient.
I really hope that is clearly because of two independent clauses.
No objections to a comma before 'but' whatsoever. I do find it amusing sometimes the shibboleths that have been ingrained into people, and are never questioned for their logic (and sometimes simple correctness). Pedantry (which has always been a pejorative term) tends to blind pedants to the prime purpose of language, which is to convey ideas precisely and concisely (unless the writer/speaker is going on a journey of fantasy): the best punctuation is that which makes the intended sense clear at first reading.
If you've not read it, David Crystal's book 'Making A Point', which is a history of punctuation, is an absolute masterpiece, which explains how the purpose/use of punctuation has shifted over the centuries.0 -
Depends what they're used for, if they are used for evidence in the event something bad happens I think they're fine. If they're used to post up footage on YouTube of alleged dangerous close passes (or even genuine dangerous passes) as they generally appear to be, usually by some sweary cyclo warrior seemingly hell bent on creating a confrontation then I agree. In the right hands they make for some decent off-road footage as well but again they are usually attached to someone who has less skill than the junior school kids I used to coach who are recording themselves on a fairly tame, well-groomed trail.rick_chasey said:Ah another unpopular opinion on here.
Helmet cams are awful and i can't stand them.0 -
Nicely put.briantrumpet said:pinno said:
A comma before 'but'!First.Aspect said:Mmm, I do legal work so I get to see the consequences of poor written and verbal skills.
It does not apply to all settings, clearly, but there is a point beyond which grunting and pointing (e.g. me when buying groceries on holiday in Spain) isn't sufficient.
I really hope that is clearly because of two independent clauses.
No objections to a comma before 'but' whatsoever. I do find it amusing sometimes the shibboleths that have been ingrained into people, and are never questioned for their logic (and sometimes simple correctness). Pedantry (which has always been a pejorative term) tends to blind pedants to the prime purpose of language, which is to convey ideas precisely and concisely (unless the writer/speaker is going on a journey of fantasy): the best punctuation is that which makes the intended sense clear at first reading.
If you've not read it, David Crystal's book 'Making A Point', which is a history of punctuation, is an absolute masterpiece, which explains how the purpose/use of punctuation has shifted over the centuries.0 -
Very true.briantrumpet said:
No objections to a comma before 'but' whatsoever. I do find it amusing sometimes the shibboleths that have been ingrained into people, and are never questioned for their logic (and sometimes simple correctness). Pedantry (which has always been a pejorative term) tends to blind pedants to the prime purpose of language, which is to convey ideas precisely and concisely (unless the writer/speaker is going on a journey of fantasy): the best punctuation is that which makes the intended sense clear at first reading.
If you've not read it, David Crystal's book 'Making A Point', which is a history of punctuation, is an absolute masterpiece, which explains how the purpose/use of punctuation has shifted over the centuries.
I find "could of" etc. very useful actually.
One example is in reviews of goods. It's quite handy when you see something like...
"should of bought a more expensive one"
...as the only 'one star' review, because you know it's been written by a muppet and can safely be discounted.
The older I get, the better I was.0 -
I think increasingly they are the future I'm afraid, unless presumed civil liability comes in and stems the tide. I agree that YouTube warriors are unhelpful, but in the two accidents I had in the last decade (the first of which nearly cost me a rather useful joint) a video would have streamlined things rather. As it was I got there in the end by attention to detail (eg pointing out that I couldn't have carelessly cycled into the front of a car and been propelled sideways), but plod and insurers are alarmingly gormless left to their own devices.Pross said:
Depends what they're used for, if they are used for evidence in the event something bad happens I think they're fine. If they're used to post up footage on YouTube of alleged dangerous close passes (or even genuine dangerous passes) as they generally appear to be, usually by some sweary cyclo warrior seemingly hell bent on creating a confrontation then I agree. In the right hands they make for some decent off-road footage as well but again they are usually attached to someone who has less skill than the junior school kids I used to coach who are recording themselves on a fairly tame, well-groomed trail.rick_chasey said:Ah another unpopular opinion on here.
Helmet cams are awful and i can't stand them.0 -
capt_slog said:
Very true.briantrumpet said:
No objections to a comma before 'but' whatsoever. I do find it amusing sometimes the shibboleths that have been ingrained into people, and are never questioned for their logic (and sometimes simple correctness). Pedantry (which has always been a pejorative term) tends to blind pedants to the prime purpose of language, which is to convey ideas precisely and concisely (unless the writer/speaker is going on a journey of fantasy): the best punctuation is that which makes the intended sense clear at first reading.
If you've not read it, David Crystal's book 'Making A Point', which is a history of punctuation, is an absolute masterpiece, which explains how the purpose/use of punctuation has shifted over the centuries.
I find "could of" etc. very useful actually.
One example is in reviews of goods. It's quite handy when you see something like...
"should of bought a more expensive one"
...as the only 'one star' review, because you know it's been written by a muppet and can safely be discounted.
Don't get me wrong though - even if I can understand someone perfectly clearly on first reading, the fact that they've misused words or screwed up their punctuation won't stop me making assessments/judgements about them... it's possible that they have a learning difference, it might be because they didn't pay attention at school, or it might be that they just can't be bothered to take care with the precious gift of one's native language.
Much of pedantry is pointless and thoughtless point-scoring, trying to assert one's superiority over others - that makes me more annoyed that the odd slip of an apostrophe, or a misused 'their'. Another good book: Amon Shea's 'Bad English', which demolishes many shibboleths. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bad-English-History-Linguistic-Aggravation/dp/03991655840 -
Reminds me of these types of things...
Cna oyu raed tihs?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Two subtle?pblakeney said:
That is quite funny in the context of a debate about grammar pedantry. 🤣First.Aspect said:
Their are clearly too independent clauses that brake that sentence up.pinno said:
A comma before 'but'!First.Aspect said:Mmm, I do legal work so I get to see the consequences of poor written and verbal skills.
It does not apply to all settings, clearly, but there is a point beyond which grunting and pointing (e.g. me when buying groceries on holiday in Spain) isn't sufficient.
I really hope that is clearly because of two independent clauses.
Hopefully intentional? Equally hope I didn't miss any.1 -
For PB, yeahFirst.Aspect said:
Two subtle?pblakeney said:
That is quite funny in the context of a debate about grammar pedantry. 🤣First.Aspect said:
Their are clearly too independent clauses that brake that sentence up.pinno said:
A comma before 'but'!First.Aspect said:Mmm, I do legal work so I get to see the consequences of poor written and verbal skills.
It does not apply to all settings, clearly, but there is a point beyond which grunting and pointing (e.g. me when buying groceries on holiday in Spain) isn't sufficient.
I really hope that is clearly because of two independent clauses.
Hopefully intentional? Equally hope I didn't miss any.
seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
On the other handpblakeney said:Reminds me of these types of things...
Cna oyu raed tihs?
Ca nyou r eadth is
is I think slightly more tricky, and tells us something about the way we read.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Tell's me that the pedantry is wasted as long as the message is understood.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
rjsterry said:
On the other handpblakeney said:Reminds me of these types of things...
Cna oyu raed tihs?
Ca nyou r eadth is
is I think slightly more tricky, and tells us something about the way we read.
No problems at all, though Crystal (in one of his books) does note that the ones that are easily read do tend to be carefully jumbled, and uses some really hard-to-decipher ones to prove his point.0 -
Completely agree with this, I've just resigned myself to getting a camera. I got wiped out by a complete tool that cut me up and slammed on his brakes, 7 weeks later they've realised my wrist is broken after all. I should win the claim but camera footage would make it a sure thing.Pross said:
Depends what they're used for, if they are used for evidence in the event something bad happens I think they're fine. If they're used to post up footage on YouTube of alleged dangerous close passes (or even genuine dangerous passes) as they generally appear to be, usually by some sweary cyclo warrior seemingly hell bent on creating a confrontation then I agree. In the right hands they make for some decent off-road footage as well but again they are usually attached to someone who has less skill than the junior school kids I used to coach who are recording themselves on a fairly tame, well-groomed trail.rick_chasey said:Ah another unpopular opinion on here.
Helmet cams are awful and i can't stand them.0 -
Ow. Sorry to hear that V68. Hope they don't make a meal of it.veronese68 said:
Completely agree with this, I've just resigned myself to getting a camera. I got wiped out by a complete tool that cut me up and slammed on his brakes, 7 weeks later they've realised my wrist is broken after all. I should win the claim but camera footage would make it a sure thing.Pross said:
Depends what they're used for, if they are used for evidence in the event something bad happens I think they're fine. If they're used to post up footage on YouTube of alleged dangerous close passes (or even genuine dangerous passes) as they generally appear to be, usually by some sweary cyclo warrior seemingly hell bent on creating a confrontation then I agree. In the right hands they make for some decent off-road footage as well but again they are usually attached to someone who has less skill than the junior school kids I used to coach who are recording themselves on a fairly tame, well-groomed trail.rick_chasey said:Ah another unpopular opinion on here.
Helmet cams are awful and i can't stand them.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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I'm pee'd off with people going on about their mental issues. That's the OT part.
Yes, mental issues are real and I have every sympathy for that, but I am constantly listening to people moaning about their mental health because their lives are slightly unfulfilling; i.e. "I'm bored, how can I cope?"The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
Not sure basic boredom really counts as an issue.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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My point.rjsterry said:Not sure basic boredom really counts as an issue.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
If anyone has been affected by issues raised in today's post please ring 116 123.pblakeney said:I'm pee'd off with people going on about their mental issues. That's the OT part.
Yes, mental issues are real and I have every sympathy for that, but I am constantly listening to people moaning about their mental health because their lives are slightly unfulfilling; i.e. "I'm bored, how can I cope?"2 -
Valentino Rossi isn't the greatest of all time.
Neither is Michael Schuhmacher.
Keith Moon was a great showman but not that good of a drummer.
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Hunt better than Schumacher? Is this another “people who were important in my teens and twenties are more important than equivalents not” jobbie?0
