Unpopular Opinions
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Most people call it road tax because if you don't pay it, you can't legally drive your car on the road. Therefore it is in truth road tax. That opinion tends to be unpopular with many cyclists.morstar said:
To take the post at face value...arthur_x said:Cyclists over the age of 16 should pay road tax. So long as it all goes on fixing potholes, I'd happily pay £15.00 a year.
Are you aware there is no such thing as road tax? Roads are funded out of general taxation. Motor vehicles pay VED, Vehicle Excise Duty which is a vehicle tax, not a road tax. The government has also chosen to directly link duty rates to emissions.
Therefore, your suggestion taken literally means cyclists would be the only group paying road tax.
If we move past the terminology and ask whether a cycle should incur VED. Answer would be no due to being a zero emissions vehicle.
Should our nation consider more taxation to improve our roads, yes."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Once you've "done it" once, why bother again?pinno said:0 -
James Hunt managed to do both.
'Sex, the breakfast of champions'.
seanoconn - gruagach craic!1 -
"James Hunt had a sad life" is probably an unpopular opinion.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Because it is both wrong and the nuance of the difference is lost on motorists who believe bikes have no place on the road.Stevo_666 said:
Most people call it road tax because if you don't pay it, you can't legally drive your car on the road. Therefore it is in truth road tax. That opinion tends to be unpopular with many cyclists.morstar said:
To take the post at face value...arthur_x said:Cyclists over the age of 16 should pay road tax. So long as it all goes on fixing potholes, I'd happily pay £15.00 a year.
Are you aware there is no such thing as road tax? Roads are funded out of general taxation. Motor vehicles pay VED, Vehicle Excise Duty which is a vehicle tax, not a road tax. The government has also chosen to directly link duty rates to emissions.
Therefore, your suggestion taken literally means cyclists would be the only group paying road tax.
If we move past the terminology and ask whether a cycle should incur VED. Answer would be no due to being a zero emissions vehicle.
Should our nation consider more taxation to improve our roads, yes.
Anybody is entitled to use the roads.
Some vehicles require tax in order to do so legally. I agree it’s subtle but it’s quite clear in the law. Thought you’d be quite up for clearly defined legal interpretations seeing as that is how you make a living in regard to tax law.0 -
I realise the legal position is different from the reality of how most people see it.morstar said:
Because it is both wrong and the nuance of the difference is lost on motorists who believe bikes have no place on the road.Stevo_666 said:
Most people call it road tax because if you don't pay it, you can't legally drive your car on the road. Therefore it is in truth road tax. That opinion tends to be unpopular with many cyclists.morstar said:
To take the post at face value...arthur_x said:Cyclists over the age of 16 should pay road tax. So long as it all goes on fixing potholes, I'd happily pay £15.00 a year.
Are you aware there is no such thing as road tax? Roads are funded out of general taxation. Motor vehicles pay VED, Vehicle Excise Duty which is a vehicle tax, not a road tax. The government has also chosen to directly link duty rates to emissions.
Therefore, your suggestion taken literally means cyclists would be the only group paying road tax.
If we move past the terminology and ask whether a cycle should incur VED. Answer would be no due to being a zero emissions vehicle.
Should our nation consider more taxation to improve our roads, yes.
Anybody is entitled to use the roads.
Some vehicles require tax in order to do so legally. I agree it’s subtle but it’s quite clear in the law. Thought you’d be quite up for clearly defined legal interpretations seeing as that is how you make a living in regard to tax law.
As you say above, if some people don't pay it then they can't legally use their vehicle on the road. Most of them actually. The term road tax is still in very wide use, probably for that reason."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I agree it’s in widespread use. That is one of the barriers to cyclists being recognised as legitimate users of the roads.Stevo_666 said:
I realise the legal position is different from the reality of how most people see it.morstar said:
Because it is both wrong and the nuance of the difference is lost on motorists who believe bikes have no place on the road.Stevo_666 said:
Most people call it road tax because if you don't pay it, you can't legally drive your car on the road. Therefore it is in truth road tax. That opinion tends to be unpopular with many cyclists.morstar said:
To take the post at face value...arthur_x said:Cyclists over the age of 16 should pay road tax. So long as it all goes on fixing potholes, I'd happily pay £15.00 a year.
Are you aware there is no such thing as road tax? Roads are funded out of general taxation. Motor vehicles pay VED, Vehicle Excise Duty which is a vehicle tax, not a road tax. The government has also chosen to directly link duty rates to emissions.
Therefore, your suggestion taken literally means cyclists would be the only group paying road tax.
If we move past the terminology and ask whether a cycle should incur VED. Answer would be no due to being a zero emissions vehicle.
Should our nation consider more taxation to improve our roads, yes.
Anybody is entitled to use the roads.
Some vehicles require tax in order to do so legally. I agree it’s subtle but it’s quite clear in the law. Thought you’d be quite up for clearly defined legal interpretations seeing as that is how you make a living in regard to tax law.
As you say above, if some people don't pay it then they can't legally use their vehicle on the road. Most of them actually. The term road tax is still in very wide use, probably for that reason.
Fact is, you can walk, cycle, horse ride, drive horse drawn vehicles, drive sheep and cattle and all sorts of things on the road without any additional tax.
But if you combine all of those activities together, it is a tiny fraction of road use. Our road network would not be what it is without motor vehicles but it should be more common knowledge that their users don’t have superior access rights (other than where explicitly declared).0 -
You can. I've driven several cars legally on road without paying it.Stevo_666 said:
Most people call it road tax because if you don't pay it, you can't legally drive your car on the road. Therefore it is in truth road tax. That opinion tends to be unpopular with many cyclists.morstar said:
To take the post at face value...arthur_x said:Cyclists over the age of 16 should pay road tax. So long as it all goes on fixing potholes, I'd happily pay £15.00 a year.
Are you aware there is no such thing as road tax? Roads are funded out of general taxation. Motor vehicles pay VED, Vehicle Excise Duty which is a vehicle tax, not a road tax. The government has also chosen to directly link duty rates to emissions.
Therefore, your suggestion taken literally means cyclists would be the only group paying road tax.
If we move past the terminology and ask whether a cycle should incur VED. Answer would be no due to being a zero emissions vehicle.
Should our nation consider more taxation to improve our roads, yes.0 -
First.Aspect said:
It is an age thing. Last time I went mountain biking, I assessed every root and rock by potential re-hab time.rick_chasey said:
Meh i did a bit of it in the peaks which is hilly enough.TheBigBean said:
I was lucky to grow up somewhere that was really good for it. I guess if I grew up somewhere without hills I might have a different view. It is one of the things I miss living in London.rick_chasey said:
I’m not a fan of mtb.TheBigBean said:
Does anyone disagree? I can see an argument that racing on a road bike is more fun than on a mountain bike.Stevo_666 said:Mountain biking is much more fun than this roadie business.
I found it too slow, I don’t like getting muddy and I didn’t really get a thrill out of bombing down a trail in the same way I would get on a road descent.
Road cycling seems more trinary somehow. Dead. Road rash/collar bone. Whehey.
You can add post-concussion syndrome to that list, and I think the 'whehey' precedes all the rest (with punctuation of "Oh shït" between)0 -
I said this was the case for most people and I know some cars have a zero rate. Your case is far from being the position for the majority of car owners, wouldn't you say?Pross said:
You can. I've driven several cars legally on road without paying it.Stevo_666 said:
Most people call it road tax because if you don't pay it, you can't legally drive your car on the road. Therefore it is in truth road tax. That opinion tends to be unpopular with many cyclists.morstar said:
To take the post at face value...arthur_x said:Cyclists over the age of 16 should pay road tax. So long as it all goes on fixing potholes, I'd happily pay £15.00 a year.
Are you aware there is no such thing as road tax? Roads are funded out of general taxation. Motor vehicles pay VED, Vehicle Excise Duty which is a vehicle tax, not a road tax. The government has also chosen to directly link duty rates to emissions.
Therefore, your suggestion taken literally means cyclists would be the only group paying road tax.
If we move past the terminology and ask whether a cycle should incur VED. Answer would be no due to being a zero emissions vehicle.
Should our nation consider more taxation to improve our roads, yes."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Still irrelevant though as the poster people were replying to was saying was cyclists should specifically pay a tax to repair potholes which is not what VED / 'road tax' does despite what most cyclist haters seem to think so with their policy cyclists would literally be the only ones paying to repair damage that they don't contribute to (to be fair the damage caused by cars and LGVs is negligible too).Stevo_666 said:
I said this was the case for most people and I know some cars have a zero rate.Pross said:
You can. I've driven several cars legally on road without paying it.Stevo_666 said:
Most people call it road tax because if you don't pay it, you can't legally drive your car on the road. Therefore it is in truth road tax. That opinion tends to be unpopular with many cyclists.morstar said:
To take the post at face value...arthur_x said:Cyclists over the age of 16 should pay road tax. So long as it all goes on fixing potholes, I'd happily pay £15.00 a year.
Are you aware there is no such thing as road tax? Roads are funded out of general taxation. Motor vehicles pay VED, Vehicle Excise Duty which is a vehicle tax, not a road tax. The government has also chosen to directly link duty rates to emissions.
Therefore, your suggestion taken literally means cyclists would be the only group paying road tax.
If we move past the terminology and ask whether a cycle should incur VED. Answer would be no due to being a zero emissions vehicle.
Should our nation consider more taxation to improve our roads, yes.0 -
This is the Unpopular Opinions thread, right?0
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Yeah but there's having unpopular opinions and just being stupid.3
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It's relevant to what I was discussing with Morstar. All you were doing above was splitting hairs over my point that effectively it is road tax as far as most people are concerned.Pross said:
Still irrelevant though as the poster people were replying to was saying was cyclists should specifically pay a tax to repair potholes which is not what VED / 'road tax' does despite what most cyclist haters seem to think so with their policy cyclists would literally be the only ones paying to repair damage that they don't contribute to (to be fair the damage caused by cars and LGVs is negligible too).Stevo_666 said:
I said this was the case for most people and I know some cars have a zero rate.Pross said:
You can. I've driven several cars legally on road without paying it.Stevo_666 said:
Most people call it road tax because if you don't pay it, you can't legally drive your car on the road. Therefore it is in truth road tax. That opinion tends to be unpopular with many cyclists.morstar said:
To take the post at face value...arthur_x said:Cyclists over the age of 16 should pay road tax. So long as it all goes on fixing potholes, I'd happily pay £15.00 a year.
Are you aware there is no such thing as road tax? Roads are funded out of general taxation. Motor vehicles pay VED, Vehicle Excise Duty which is a vehicle tax, not a road tax. The government has also chosen to directly link duty rates to emissions.
Therefore, your suggestion taken literally means cyclists would be the only group paying road tax.
If we move past the terminology and ask whether a cycle should incur VED. Answer would be no due to being a zero emissions vehicle.
Should our nation consider more taxation to improve our roads, yes.
I'm not arguing with the right to go on public roads, it was the point about people seeing it as road tax regardless of what it is legally.
Hopefully that's clear to you now."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Having to ask if a thread with the title 'Unpopular Opinions' is indeed the unpopular opinions thread could possibly qualify as stupid?Pross said:Yeah but there's having unpopular opinions and just being stupid.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I've read that about 5 times and still can't make any sense of it. Who has asked that?Stevo_666 said:
Having to ask if a thread with the title 'Unpopular Opinions' is indeed the unpopular opinions thread could possibly qualify as stupid?Pross said:Yeah but there's having unpopular opinions and just being stupid.
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Oi! No context. I will be wielding the pouty face flag stick just like I was some sort of Russian Botster.0
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Back on topic (sort of).
I think all cyclists should pay insurance.
seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
I only asked a questionorraloon said:Oi! No context. I will be wielding the pouty face flag stick just like I was some sort of Russian Botster.
. I'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt this time "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
'ti's in their own interests.pinno said:Back on topic (sort of).
I think all cyclists should pay insurance.0 -
Should we have personal insurance to walk on the street too? If you trip off a curb into the road and a car crashes to avoid you, then shouldn't you be liable?0
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Many people do included with their home insurance.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Lets say it has to be law for everybody, pets too.0
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The BBC should double the licence fee so that all pensioners continue to not have to pay.
Also, because they makes so many excellent drama series these days and their sports coverage is second to none."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
