New UCI calendar

blazing_saddles

kingstongraham said:

blazing_saddles said:

kingstongraham said:

blazing_saddles said:

redvision said:

You can get high friction road paint to solve that problem.
Plus the lines would define lanes, with the aim of keeping riders on one line (position wise, not the actual line on the road), within the lane. So even if wet, the line shouldn't be an issue.

Got to be worth a try.

Not sure if you study many road books, but I will make the point again, as others seem to be ignoring it.
Some sprint finishes take place on roads no more than 6-7 metres wide.
Not really feasible to nick a metre and a half to put a border up both sides.

If those finishes are safe enough without it, then an exception could be made, surely? If they aren't, then, so be it.

I not sure I get the logic.
Are you saying that if 6 metres is considered safe, then 4.5 metres should be considered safe, too?

While a cote'd'azur should make the barrier proximity safer, compressing a sprint increases the chances of a crash in the middle of the bunch.

No, I'm saying that if those finishes are safe at 6m wide with the suspension of a (theoretical, future) hard shoulder rule at the speeds expected, then fine. If they aren't deemed safe without, and 4.5m isn't a safe width, then the logic says that isn't a safe place to have that finish.

Right, so a road that is initially 7.5-8 metres wide. Got it.
Presumably any bids for a stage finish that are unable to comply would not be considered.
Hopefully that wouldn't impact too much further down the food chain, where smaller towns, with smaller roads are often used.

redvision

rick_chasey said:

Lanes is just asking for race jury trouble, and doesn't reflect how cycling works.

Nonsense. It works in other sports. Riders drift because they are looking down when sprinting.

Bradley Wiggins has actually called for such measures to be tried!
He must read this forum

kingstongraham

blazing_saddles said:

kingstongraham said:

blazing_saddles said:

kingstongraham said:

blazing_saddles said:

redvision said:

You can get high friction road paint to solve that problem.
Plus the lines would define lanes, with the aim of keeping riders on one line (position wise, not the actual line on the road), within the lane. So even if wet, the line shouldn't be an issue.

Got to be worth a try.

Not sure if you study many road books, but I will make the point again, as others seem to be ignoring it.
Some sprint finishes take place on roads no more than 6-7 metres wide.
Not really feasible to nick a metre and a half to put a border up both sides.

If those finishes are safe enough without it, then an exception could be made, surely? If they aren't, then, so be it.

I not sure I get the logic.
Are you saying that if 6 metres is considered safe, then 4.5 metres should be considered safe, too?

While a cote'd'azur should make the barrier proximity safer, compressing a sprint increases the chances of a crash in the middle of the bunch.

No, I'm saying that if those finishes are safe at 6m wide with the suspension of a (theoretical, future) hard shoulder rule at the speeds expected, then fine. If they aren't deemed safe without, and 4.5m isn't a safe width, then the logic says that isn't a safe place to have that finish.

Right, so a road that is initially 7.5-8 metres wide. Got it.
Presumably any bids for a stage finish that are unable to comply would not be considered.
Hopefully that wouldn't impact too much further down the food chain, where smaller towns, with smaller roads are often used.

If those finishes are safe at 6m wide with the suspension of a (theoretical, future) hard shoulder rule at the speeds expected, then they're fine.

No_Ta_Doctor

redvision said:

rick_chasey said:

Lanes is just asking for race jury trouble, and doesn't reflect how cycling works.

Nonsense. It works in other sports. Riders drift because they are looking down when sprinting.

Bradley Wiggins has actually called for such measures to be tried!
He must read this forum

Yeah, but he's a trackie.

As for the idea itself, if you have, say, 6 lanes then how is it possible to pass the front 6 riders? When is changing lanes allowed?

Stripes, rather than actual lanes, might make it easier to hold a line, but that's only assisting the sprinters and coms a little, much like a var digital offside line. It's still all about judgement.

dabber

redvision said:

Going back to the topic of sprints and rider positioning/ moving, had a thought over the weekend, why don't the uci insist that lanes have to be marked for the final 250m?

Interested to know what the thoughts are about the potential mayhem at that point 250m back up the road when the main protagonists need to get a good lane position?

RichN95.

They just need to start DQing riders more when there isn't a crash. Groenewegen did what he did largely because riders routinely get away with similar. Enforce the rules more stringently and the riders will change.

kingstongraham

RichN95. said:

They just need to start DQing riders more when there isn't a crash. Groenewegen did what he did largely because riders routinely get away with similar. Enforce the rules more stringently and the riders will change.

Yes, it is like driving laws.

redvision

Surely the lane idea has to be worth a go though. Anything to try to reduce the chances of incidents similar to last week.

And as mentioned before, if there is a physical marker then it will not only help riders to maintain their line, but will be far easier to see infringements and so will make a decision to DQ/reprimand a rider easier

twotoebenny

I'd be inclined to ask the sprinters what might make a sprint "safer" Some of the suggestions put out may remove one hazard but simply replace it with another.

salsiccia1

Genuine question: was anybody asking for big changes to managing sprints before the Jakobsen crash?

kingstongraham

salsiccia1 said:

Genuine question: was anybody asking for big changes to managing sprints before the Jakobsen crash?

Not since a couple of weeks after the last big crash.

m.r.m.

redvision said:

rick_chasey said:

Lanes is just asking for race jury trouble, and doesn't reflect how cycling works.

Nonsense. It works in other sports. Riders drift because they are looking down when sprinting.

I don't think this is true. I've seen professional riders sprint for training on public roads and they don't drift.

I think they drift in races on purpose to force the sprinter behind to drift as well in order to keep the draft or to make it harder to be passed on whatever side.

There is plenty of footage of Cavendish winning sprints on the Champs Elysees where he doesn't drift at all.

DeadCalm

redvision said:

rick_chasey said:

Lanes is just asking for race jury trouble, and doesn't reflect how cycling works.

Nonsense. It works in other sports. Riders drift because they are looking down when sprinting.

Bradley Wiggins has actually called for such measures to be tried!
He must read this forum

His latest podcast is definitely worth a listen.

rick_chasey

Worlds likely cancelled

webboo

redvision said:

rick_chasey said:

Lanes is just asking for race jury trouble, and doesn't reflect how cycling works.

Nonsense. It works in other sports. Riders drift because they are looking down when sprinting.

Bradley Wiggins has actually called for such measures to be tried!
He must read this forum

What other sports can have 50 plus heading for a line at 30 to 40 mph.

ddraver

Christ, can you imagine the carnage if riders just randomly wove all over the road when they started sprinting..?

It's amazing that they re never quite so incapable of controlling their line they weave into the barriers themselves eh?*

*yes, yes, abdoujaparov, fine...

redvision

Ok, so there seems to be quite a bit if negativity on here towards the line idea, but I can't really understand why. It's a cheap option to at least try to avoid such incidents as last week. Why not try it?

gsk82

I'm sure I've seen old races where there was lines on the road.

blazing_saddles

Organisers of Il Lombardia announced a late change to the course for Saturday's Monument, cutting 12km from the route to bring it down from 243km to 231km and making it the shortest edition of the race since 1960.

gweeds

rick_chasey said:

Worlds likely cancelled

For real?

blazing_saddles

gweeds said:

rick_chasey said:

Worlds likely cancelled

For real?

Rick has probably read a tweet somewhere and jerked his knee again.
The UCI have, or at least had, a back up plan.
The most recent cancellation was yesterday...........................for the Chinese WT races.

Swiss Covid numbers have been slightly up the past few days, but not by much.

rick_chasey

blazing_saddles said:

Organisers of Il Lombardia announced a late change to the course for Saturday's Monument, cutting 12km from the route to bring it down from 243km to 231km and making it the shortest edition of the race since 1960.

Pffft. Flanders and now this.

blazing_saddles

rick_chasey said:

blazing_saddles said:

Organisers of Il Lombardia announced a late change to the course for Saturday's Monument, cutting 12km from the route to bring it down from 243km to 231km and making it the shortest edition of the race since 1960.

Pffft. Flanders and now this.

Just 230kms?
Not so much a monument as a small plaque on the wall.

50x11

TBH I don't think the worlds should run this year, not really fair on the winners that they haven't got to wear the jersey for the full season.

blazing_saddles

50x11 said:

TBH I don't think the worlds should run this year, not really fair on the winners that they haven't got to wear the jersey for the full season.

Not sure how this is any different to a rider getting an injury that stops him wearing the jersey.
Pedersen will have worn it for 50 race days, on the completion of the Tour.

red.rider

blazing_saddles said:

gweeds said:

rick_chasey said:

Worlds likely cancelled

For real?

Rick has probably read a tweet somewhere and jerked his knee again.
The UCI have, or at least had, a back up plan.
The most recent cancellation was yesterday...........................for the Chinese WT races.

Swiss Covid numbers have been slightly up the past few days, but not by much.

Currently events with 1000+ people are not allowed in CH. Today the Bundesrat will announce if this rule will continue from September 1st. If the rule is not relaxed, then it will be tricky to organise the event. Bundesrat press conferences usually happen at lunchtime, so we should know more by then.

Source: swiss-cycling.ch

red.rider

red.rider said:

blazing_saddles said:

gweeds said:

rick_chasey said:

Worlds likely cancelled

For real?

Rick has probably read a tweet somewhere and jerked his knee again.
The UCI have, or at least had, a back up plan.
The most recent cancellation was yesterday...........................for the Chinese WT races.

Swiss Covid numbers have been slightly up the past few days, but not by much.

Currently events with 1000+ people are not allowed in CH. Today the Bundesrat will announce if this rule will continue from September 1st. If the rule is not relaxed, then it will be tricky to organise the event. Bundesrat press conferences usually happen at lunchtime, so we should know more by then.

Source: swiss-cycling.ch

Actual press release from the organisers: www.aigle-martigny2020.ch

N0bodyOfTheGoat

With cases on the rise in France, is there any murmoring from official sources yet of the TDF being affected?

What about the Vuelta or Giro? Albeit I've read about rises in Spain in recent news, but not Italy.

cruff

Worlds confirmed cancelled 😔

No_Ta_Doctor

cruff said:

Worlds confirmed cancelled 😔